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::Well, Fox's back air is stronger so that's a buff for him. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 14:00, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | ::Well, Fox's back air is stronger so that's a buff for him. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 14:00, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Not quite. Making one move better doesn't necessarily make up for everything. Look at Jiggly. Nuking her rest was enough that even if her back air was better she still wouldn't be great. When we talk about Buffing and Nerfing character's, we're looking at the whole picture. Obviously things change from game to game, but it's important to look at the character's as a whole and what moves are useful to their fighting style. Fox's fast falling speed means that he gets more chances to hit opponents with upward moves, not side-airs. So if his up-smash, up-tilt, and up-air are all nerfed, making his back-air slightly better hardly makes up for that as the former three are most often the more appropriate moves. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 15:36, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | :::Not quite. Making one move better doesn't necessarily make up for everything. Look at Jiggly. Nuking her rest was enough that even if her back air was better she still wouldn't be great. When we talk about Buffing and Nerfing character's, we're looking at the whole picture. Obviously things change from game to game, but it's important to look at the character's as a whole and what moves are useful to their fighting style. Fox's fast falling speed means that he gets more chances to hit opponents with upward moves, not side-airs. So if his up-smash, up-tilt, and up-air are all nerfed, making his back-air slightly better hardly makes up for that as the former three are most often the more appropriate moves. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 15:36, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::That's very well said but I would like to say something about the bair. While Fox's bair is slightly stronger, it has slower start-up, has much more ending lag, less reach and a smaller hitbox, and is generally more difficult to land. Overall, I would say that Fox's bair in ''Melee'' is better than his new bair in ''Brawl'', considering that the slight increase in power doesn't make up for the nerfs in its other aspects. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 15:43, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | |||