Ivysaur (SSBU): Difference between revisions

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:''This article is about Ivysaur's appearance in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''.  For other uses, see [[Ivysaur]].  Also, for information about Ivysaur in regards to Pokémon Trainer, see [[Pokémon Trainer (SSBU)]], [[Squirtle (SSBU)]], and [[Charizard (SSBU)]].''

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|availability = [[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]

|tier = A-

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*Inuko Inuyama in Japanese, succeeding Tomoko Kawakami's portrayal also from ''Brawl''.

*Jean-Marc Delhausse in French.

==How to unlock==

Ivysaur's grab game is also useful. While all of its grabs are active on frame 13, they are among the longest-reaching in ''Ultimate'' and are decently fast overall, which further adds to Ivysaur's already strong range. To boot, all of its throws deal at least 7% damage. While its forward throw is ironically unsuitable for both combos and KOs due to its high base knockback and low knockback growth, its back throw is a good KO option at the edge, and its up throw is a decent low-percentage combo tool. However, of particular note is its down throw: despite its low damage, its has strong combo potential until around 100%, while its knockback scaling also makes it the strongest down throw in the game, allowing it to KO in situations where back throw cannot.

However, Ivysaur is held back by various flaws. Perhaps Ivysaur's most prominent issue is its ground game: while its tilt attacks have strong range, they are also equally lacking in power. Down tilt serves as a quick "get-off-me" option, and is his fastest grounded option at frame 4. Up tilt hits directly above Ivysaur and can lead into up air at certain percentages, though it does not have a scoop hitbox, leading to it being a niche move at best. While its smash attacks possess high power, they are generally predictable due to slow startup. Its up smash is among the strongest in the game, but it has very slow startup at 26 frames, while its horizontal range renders it hard to approach with against grounded opponents. Down smash suffers from the opposite problem: while decently fast, it fails to KO until very high percentages, a fact made worse by its sourspots. Arguably its most useful smash attack is forward smash, which when timed correctly can cover all ledge options and is generally safe on shield at full range. Its dash attack is a good burst option, but also suffers from low knockback scaling and cannot KO reliably. Finally, due to said problems, Ivysaur is very susceptible to stale-move negation, meaning it will almost constantly rely on its ranged attacks, all of which deal low damage.

Finally, due to a lackluster air speed and falling speed, Ivysaur is highly susceptible to juggle situations and has a poor overall disadvantage state. Although Ivysaur has a plethora of amazing aerials, none of them are particularly effective in disadvantage and without a jump Ivysaur has few options to get back on the ground. Ivysaur has the opportunity to switch to Charizard for better air speed and another jump, but such options are committal and can lead to an even further punish.

Altogether, Ivysaur fills the "zoner" role for Pokemon Trainer's lineup, with its long range, disjointed attacks, and projectile allowing it to excel at keeping opponents out. It is the middle of the three in weight, and is usually used around mid-high percent because of its strong advantage state, combos, and zoning ability.

==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''==

A large part of Ivysaur's moveset has been modified and is significantly more useful overall. The addition of a finisher and the changes to neutral infinites makes its [[neutral attack]] more reliable for racking up damage, while [[down tilt]] consists of a single hit that [[semi-spike]]s. Some of Ivysaur's notoriously weak attacks, such as [[down smash]] and [[back aerial]], have had their damage and knockback considerably increased, with down smash gaining a sweetspot that can KO at realistic percents. Tying in with its improved air physics, Ivysaur's aerial game has received several enhancements: it has a new, disjointed [[neutral aerial]] that performs much better than its old one, due to its [[autolink angle]] and the weakening of [[SDI]] from ''Brawl'' enabling it to connect much more reliably. [[Up aerial|Up]] and [[down aerial]]s' momentum changes are less extreme, and down aerial has been heavily buffed, as its small meteor smash sweetspot deals more damage and is slightly larger, and its large sourspot now meteor smashes as well, turning the move into a powerful edgeguarding tool.

However, Ivysaur did receive a few notable nerfs. Ivysaur's [[weight]] has been decreased, which combined with the removal of [[momentum canceling]] hinders its survivability. Although [[forward tilt]] connects much more reliably due to the weakening of SDI, it has noticeably more startup, while it retains high ending lag and a lack of KO power. Some of Ivysaur's KO options were toned down as well, such as [[dash attack]], [[forward smash]], [[forward aerial]], and its notorious up aerial and [[up smash]], with the latter no longer being the strongest in the game. Most importantly, however, Bullet Seed has slower startup with no intangibility, and racks up a significantly lower amount of damage due to its shortened duration, greatly reducing its utility despite the new finisher. As a result, Ivysaur is more reliant on racking up damage with its various buffed moves to KO effectively, which is exacerbated by all its aerials except neutral and down aerial launching at upward angles that are ineffective for edgeguarding, often compelling the player to switch to Charizard and utilize its greater KO potential once opponents are at high percents.

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|neutralcount=2

|neutralinf=y

|neutral1dmg=2%

|neutral2dmg=2%

|utiltdmg=7%

|utiltdesc=Handstands and thrusts its feet upwards. Decent upwards knockback and good upwards range, but it lacks hitboxes beside Ivysaur, making it difficult to hit grounded opponents. It can lead to aerials at low percents. Due to it lifting Ivysaur's hurtbox upwards, it can dodge certain ground-level attacks.

|dtiltdmg=5.5%

|dtiltdesc=Whips its vine quickly along the ground forwards. Very fast, can hit opponents hanging on ledges, and deals semi-spike knockback of mild strength, but deals very low damage while lacking followup options due to its ending lag. Useful as a poking option, or as an approach option out of a dash.

|bairdmg={{ShortHopDmgSSBU|3}} (hit 1), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6}} (hit 2)

|bairdesc=Backflips and swings its vines backwards. The first hit is very weak and designed to combo into the second hit, which does weak diagonal knockback. The first hit can start guaranteed combos once Ivysaur lands, though this may be difficult due to how fast the attack transitions. It has great horizontal range and low landing lag, making it well-suited for spacing. It can set up into itself and other moves, although this is not guaranteed. Additionally, it is very weak and has significant difficulty KOing due to its angle.

|uairdmg={{ShortHopDmgSSBU|15}}

|uairdesc=Expels a burst of spores upwards from its bulb, which causes Ivysaur to move downwards slightly. If done near the peak of a full hop, Ivysaur will not experience much downwards momentum. A damaging move with a large hitbox above Ivysaur alongside powerful vertical knockback and little startup lag; it is one of the strongest up aerials in the game in terms of damage and knockback. Ivysaur's strongest aerial. Autocancels from a full hop, and has low landing lag, allowing it to be used in a short hop fast fall to challenge opponents on platforms. Despite its power, it deals low damage to shields.

|dairdmg={{ShortHopDmgSSBU|10}}

|grabname=Grab ({{ja|つかみ|Tsukami}})

|pummelname=Grab Headbutt ({{ja|つかみずつき|Tsukami Zutsuki}})

|pummeldmg=1.3%

|fthrowname=Vine Sling ({{ja|つるスリング|Tsuru Suringu}})

|fthrowdmg=5% (hit 1 and throw)

|fthrowdesc=Headbutts the opponent forwards. It can affect bystanders. Has too much base knockback for combos and too little knockback growth to KO, hence its only use is to send opponents offstage.

|bthrowdmg=12%

|bthrowdesc=Spins around before tossing the opponent away. This causes Ivysaur to turn to face the other direction when it is used. Deals good diagonal knockback, being Ivysaur's most powerful throw in terms of damage and knockback, and KOs rather early at 109% near the edge of Final Destination.

|uthrowdmg=4% (hit 1), 5% (throw)

|uthrowdesc=Holds the opponent upwards and hits them with its bud. Has combo potential at low percents, allowing combos into Bullet Seed or up aerial at 0%, or up aerial or Vine whip at around 30%. After 45%, it loses combo potential due to its knockback growth.

|dthrowdmg=7%

|dthrowdesc=Frontflips and slams the opponent against the ground. Ivysaur's best combo throw, which can start combos into up aerial or dash canceled up tilt at 0%. At around 60%, it can lead to Vine Whip, which can KO at around 83% if the sweetspot lands. Surprisingly, this is also the strongest down throw in the game, being able to KO middleweights at around 161%.

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=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: The Future Champion==

Pokémon Trainer's route refers to the player's goal of becoming the {{s|bulbapedia|Pokémon Champion}} in the ''Pokémon'' games. Like in {{SSBU|Pikachu}}'s route, the opponents are all Pokémon and all rounds are on ''Pokémon'' stages. Each round will start with the Pokémon chosen on the character select screen regardless of which one was active at the end of the previous round.

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*Ivysaur and {{SSBU|Squirtle}} are the only characters not to have an announcer voice clip by Xander Mobus.

*Whenever Ivysaur performs a ledge jump, it is briefly seen holding onto the ledge with its right foot (left foot when facing left). This is possibly due to being an animation carryover from ''Brawl''.

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