157
edits
Clone: Difference between revisions
→Clones in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Omega Tyrant (talk | contribs) m (Adding back a few other actual good edits I missed) |
|||
| (2 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown) | |||
| Line 69: | Line 69: | ||
|- | |- | ||
|{{CharHead|Ganondorf|SSBM|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Captain Falcon|SSBM|hsize=20px}}||Full clone | |{{CharHead|Ganondorf|SSBM|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Captain Falcon|SSBM|hsize=20px}}||Full clone | ||
|Ganondorf has a single-hit {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|neutral attack}} and a unique {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|forward aerial}}, that is an arching overhand punch instead of a [[Knee smash]]. The rest of Ganondorf's moveset is cloned, though he is consistently much slower but stronger than Captain Falcon, most notably in his {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|up tilt}}. | |Ganondorf has a single-hit {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|neutral attack}} that is animated differently as a palm thrust, and a unique {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|forward aerial}}, that is an arching overhand punch instead of a [[Knee smash]]. The rest of Ganondorf's moveset is cloned, though he is consistently much slower but stronger than Captain Falcon, most notably in his {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|up tilt}}. | ||
|Ganondorf is significantly heavier and much more powerful than Captain Falcon, and all of his mobility stats are much slower, in particular his dashing speed, though most of his attacks do not lose too much speed. Ganondorf is additionally bigger than Falcon, giving his moves more reach in general, though some of his moves also have larger hitboxes. Functional differences in his moveset include his up tilt being a hail mary move that is one of the strongest moves in the game, in exchange for an absurd 81 frames of startup that also makes it the slowest move in the game, whereas Falcon's {{mvsub|Captain Falcon|SSBM|up tilt}} is a standard anti-air move with above-average horizontal knockback. Each of the two hits in Ganondorf's {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|up smash}} are individually very powerful whereas the first hit of [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Up smash|Falcon]]'s is meant to link into the second stronger hit, a functioning difference that applies to their {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|neutral aerial}} as well, though this functioning is reversed for their {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|down smash}}. Ganondorf's {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|forward smash}} launches vertically while [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Forward smash|Falcon's]] launches horizontally, a launch angle difference that also applies to their down smash. Ganondorf's {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|up aerial}} has a late hitbox that semi-spikes opponents, which can be used as a deadly edgeguarding tool, while Falcon's {{mvsub|Captain Falcon|SSBM|up aerial}} lacks a late hitbox altogether. Aerial [[Ganondorf (SSBM)/Side special|Gerudo Dragon]] does not meteor smash whereas aerial [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Side special|Raptor Boost]] does; conversely, aerial [[Ganondorf (SSBM)/Down special|Wizard's Foot]] is a powerful spike while aerial [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Down special|Falcon Kick]] launches horizontally. Finally, many of Ganondorf's moves have different [[effect]]s; his forward smash, [[Ganondorf (SSBM)/Neutral special|Warlock Punch]], Gerudo Dragon, and Wizard's Foot hit with the [[darkness]] effect while Falcon's variations hit with the [[flame]] effect; Ganondorf's up tilt hits with a flame effect while Falcon's has no special effect; and Ganondorf's jab, {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|down aerial}}, and [[Ganondorf (SSBM)/Up special|Dark Dive]] hit with an [[electric]] effect when Falcon's variations do not, while the inverse is applied to their forward aerials. | |Ganondorf is significantly heavier and much more powerful than Captain Falcon, and all of his mobility stats are much slower, in particular his dashing speed, though most of his attacks do not lose too much speed. Ganondorf is additionally bigger than Falcon, giving his moves more reach in general, though some of his moves also have larger hitboxes. Functional differences in his moveset include his up tilt being a hail mary move that is one of the strongest moves in the game, in exchange for an absurd 81 frames of startup that also makes it the slowest move in the game, whereas Falcon's {{mvsub|Captain Falcon|SSBM|up tilt}} is a standard anti-air move with above-average horizontal knockback. Each of the two hits in Ganondorf's {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|up smash}} are individually very powerful whereas the first hit of [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Up smash|Falcon]]'s is meant to link into the second stronger hit, a functioning difference that applies to their {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|neutral aerial}} as well, though this functioning is reversed for their {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|down smash}}. Ganondorf's {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|forward smash}} launches vertically while [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Forward smash|Falcon's]] launches horizontally, a launch angle difference that also applies to their down smash. Ganondorf's {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|up aerial}} has a late hitbox that semi-spikes opponents, which can be used as a deadly edgeguarding tool, while Falcon's {{mvsub|Captain Falcon|SSBM|up aerial}} lacks a late hitbox altogether. Aerial [[Ganondorf (SSBM)/Side special|Gerudo Dragon]] does not meteor smash whereas aerial [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Side special|Raptor Boost]] does; conversely, aerial [[Ganondorf (SSBM)/Down special|Wizard's Foot]] is a powerful spike while aerial [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Down special|Falcon Kick]] launches horizontally. Finally, many of Ganondorf's moves have different [[effect]]s; his forward smash, [[Ganondorf (SSBM)/Neutral special|Warlock Punch]], Gerudo Dragon, and Wizard's Foot hit with the [[darkness]] effect while Falcon's variations hit with the [[flame]] effect; Ganondorf's up tilt hits with a flame effect while Falcon's has no special effect; and Ganondorf's jab, {{mvsub|Ganondorf|SSBM|down aerial}}, and [[Ganondorf (SSBM)/Up special|Dark Dive]] hit with an [[electric]] effect when Falcon's variations do not, while the inverse is applied to their forward aerials. | ||
|- | |- | ||
| Line 171: | Line 171: | ||
|- | |- | ||
|{{CharHead|Roy|SSB4|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Marth|SSB4|hsize=20px}}||Semi-clone | |{{CharHead|Roy|SSB4|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Marth|SSB4|hsize=20px}}||Semi-clone | ||
|Roy has a unique {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|neutral attack}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|forward tilt}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|up tilt}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|dash attack}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|forward smash}}, and {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|down aerial}}. His {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|neutral special}} is unchanged from ''Melee'', although Marth's {{mvsub|Marth|SSB4|neutral special}} animation was significantly changed during Roy's absence, making it effectively a different move | |Roy has a unique {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|neutral attack}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|forward tilt}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|up tilt}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|dash attack}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|forward smash}}, and {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|down aerial}}. His {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|neutral special}} is unchanged from ''Melee'', although Marth's {{mvsub|Marth|SSB4|neutral special}} animation was significantly changed during Roy's absence, making it effectively a different move. His {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|Final Smash}} has the same name and concept as Marth's, but behaves differently. | ||
|Roy is the most decloned character in ''Smash 4'', with several new moves, as well as having different animations on some of his remaining shared moves as a result of him holding his sword in a reverse grip, which include his {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|up smash}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|forward aerial}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|back aerial}}, and {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|up aerial}}, though the latter two have more subtle animation differences. Roy additionally moves faster than Marth in all aspects except with having slower walking speed, while | |Roy is the most decloned character in ''Smash 4'', with several new moves, as well as having different animations on some of his remaining shared moves as a result of him holding his sword in a reverse grip, which include his {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|up smash}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|forward aerial}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|back aerial}}, and {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|up aerial}}, though the latter two have more subtle animation differences. Roy's special moves remained conceptually unchanged, but became more distinct from Marth's, partly due to Marth's own changes since ''Melee'' (with [[Shield Breaker]] becoming a sword thrust, it is now different from Roy's [[Flare Blade]] in every way other than both being neutral specials that can be charged to unleash a mighty blow), and partly due to Roy gaining new changes (Roy still performs his {{mvsub|Roy|SSB4|up special}}, [[Blazer]], with the same animation that Marth performs [[Dolphin Slash]], but the move appears more visually different as Roy performs it much slower with more pronounced graphical fire effects, while its functional differences also became more pronounced with Roy gaining more control over its unique angling ability, Blazer gaining a proper final hit that allows it to effectively KO vertically, and Blazer now having [[super armor]] when performed from the ground). Roy additionally moves faster than Marth in all aspects except with having slower walking speed, while being heavier, having substantially less reach as a result of his new attack animations that keeps his sword closer, and Roy is much stronger all-around than he was in ''Melee'', though generally his sweetspots and sourspots are still weaker than Marth's equivalents. As a DLC character, he has no custom moves, but Marth's customs do not mimic his specials like Ness' do to Lucas. | ||
|- | |- | ||
|{{CharHead|Toon Link|SSB4|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Link|SSB4|hsize=20px}}||Semi-clone | |{{CharHead|Toon Link|SSB4|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Link|SSB4|hsize=20px}}||Semi-clone | ||
| Line 246: | Line 246: | ||
|{{CharHead|Mythra|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Pyra|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||Semi-clone||{{n}} | |{{CharHead|Mythra|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Pyra|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||Semi-clone||{{n}} | ||
|Mythra has a unique {{mvsub|Mythra|SSBU|neutral special}}, {{mvsub|Mythra|SSBU|side special}}, {{mvsub|Mythra|SSBU|up special}}, and {{mvsub|Mythra|SSBU|Final Smash}}. Mythra also has access to her unique [[fighter ability]], [[Foresight]]. | |Mythra has a unique {{mvsub|Mythra|SSBU|neutral special}}, {{mvsub|Mythra|SSBU|side special}}, {{mvsub|Mythra|SSBU|up special}}, and {{mvsub|Mythra|SSBU|Final Smash}}. Mythra also has access to her unique [[fighter ability]], [[Foresight]]. | ||
|Uniquely for transformation characters, the two are semi-clones of each other. Pyra and Mythra share their standard attacks, but Mythra is much faster than Pyra in all aspects and her moves have faster frame data, but Pyra's moves in exchange are generally much more powerful with farther reach, while several of her shared moves have the flame effect whereas Mythra's do not. Farther functional differences of their standard moves include Mythra's {{mvsub|Mythra|SSBU|neutral aerial}} being a weak multi-hitting move while [[Pyra (SSBU)/Neutral aerial|Pyra's]] is a strong single-hit move, and Pyra's {{mvsub|Pyra|SSBU|down aerial}} being able to [[meteor smash]], whereas [[Mythra (SSBU)/Down aerial|Mythra's]] cannot. Additionally, Mythra uses Foresight for her dodge while Pyra has no special mechanic of her own. Aside from [[Swap]], Pyra and Mythra have | |Uniquely for transformation characters, the two are semi-clones of each other. Pyra and Mythra share their standard attacks, but Mythra is much faster than Pyra in all aspects and her moves have faster frame data, but Pyra's moves in exchange are generally much more powerful with farther reach, while several of her shared moves have the flame effect whereas Mythra's do not. Farther functional differences of their standard moves include Mythra's {{mvsub|Mythra|SSBU|neutral aerial}} being a weak multi-hitting move while [[Pyra (SSBU)/Neutral aerial|Pyra's]] is a strong single-hit move, and Pyra's {{mvsub|Pyra|SSBU|down aerial}} being able to [[meteor smash]], whereas [[Mythra (SSBU)/Down aerial|Mythra's]] cannot. Additionally, Mythra uses Foresight for her dodge while Pyra has no special mechanic of her own. Aside from [[Swap]], Pyra and Mythra have mostly different special moves- aside from obviously their shared down special, their neutral specials are similar in that they follow the same general idea of charging and spinning with hitboxes. In contrast to Pokémon Trainer's Final Smash consistently being [[Triple Finish]], Pyra and Mythra have their own different Final Smashes, with Pyra's being [[Burning Sword]] and Mythra's being [[Sacred Arrow]]. | ||
|- | |- | ||
|{{CharHead|Pichu|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Pikachu|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||Full clone||{{n}} | |{{CharHead|Pichu|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Pikachu|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||Full clone||{{n}} | ||
| Line 257: | Line 257: | ||
|- | |- | ||
|{{CharHead|Roy|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Marth|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||Semi-clone||{{n}} | |{{CharHead|Roy|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||{{CharHead|Marth|SSBU|hsize=20px}}||Semi-clone||{{n}} | ||
|Roy has a unique {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|neutral attack}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|forward tilt}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|up tilt}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|dash attack}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|forward smash}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|down aerial}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|neutral | |Roy has a unique {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|neutral attack}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|forward tilt}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|up tilt}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|dash attack}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|forward smash}}, {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|down aerial}}, and {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|neutral special}}. His {{mvsub|Roy|SSBU|Final Smash}} has the same name and concept as Marth's, but behaves differently. | ||
|Roy and Marth received the same new forward throws, and Flare Blade can change direction while Shield Breaker can be angled. This does not affect Roy's semi-clone status; he is still essentially a faster semi-clone of Marth whose sweetspot and sourspot placements are reversed, and he retains all other differences he had in ''Smash 4''. | |Roy and Marth received the same new forward throws, and Flare Blade can change direction while Shield Breaker can be angled. This does not affect Roy's semi-clone status; he is still essentially a faster semi-clone of Marth whose sweetspot and sourspot placements are reversed, and he retains all other differences he had in ''Smash 4''. | ||
|- | |- | ||