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The question then becomes, can we do this, and should we do this? Personally, I think the answer to both of those questions is yes, but I'm obviously biased as someone who has been frustrated with this article's methods for a while. What do you guys make of this? ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 12:48, October 12, 2021 (EDT) | The question then becomes, can we do this, and should we do this? Personally, I think the answer to both of those questions is yes, but I'm obviously biased as someone who has been frustrated with this article's methods for a while. What do you guys make of this? ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 12:48, October 12, 2021 (EDT) | ||
== Mario & Mr. G&W’s Up and Forward Smash == | |||
It is stated that he shared most of his attributes (except for his weight, air speed and air acceleration) with Mario in Melee, indicating he started development based off of Mario until being developed into his own unique character. You forgot to put both of their Up and Forward Smashes because their Up Smash are headbutts while their Forward Smash use fire after the attack. [[Special:Contributions/112.210.229.126|112.210.229.126]] 01:58, July 2, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:Being the same general broad type of attack or sharing a single property doesn't make a move cloned. Their forward smashes are radically different in every way that I shouldn't need to explain, while their up smashes have different animations and nearly everything about their move data is completely different. If you were to call those moves cloned, then it would be effectively calling all moves that are punches cloned, all kick moves cloned, all sword swing moves cloned, etc. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:18, July 2, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::I think I would count their up smashes as identical but you are kind of right. [[Special:Contributions/112.210.229.126|112.210.229.126]] 12:07, July 3, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Trivia fact about Luigi == | |||
This may be dumb, but I thought it’d be interesting. I noticed while looking through the article that Luigi is the only character to be listed as all of the clone archetypes (full clone in 64, pseudo clone in Ultimate, and semi-clone in every other game). Why not add it as trivia? It’s neat enough to be there if you ask me, but I’m me, and you’re you. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Dobt|Dobt]] ([[User talk:Dobt|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dobt|contribs]]) 21:13, July 4, 2023 (EDT)</small> | |||
:Please [[SW:SIGN|sign your comments]] with <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. [[User:Jordan P.|Jordan P.,]] [[User talk:Jordan P.|the Sora main]] [[File:SoraHeadSSBUWebsite.png|15px]] 22:22, July 4, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Captain Inkling? == | |||
So, I looked up the Animations for Inkling and I found out that she may be started off as Captain Falcon just like Little Mac and Min-Min, here are the evidences: | |||
Back aerial (although, she’s using the Splattershot) | |||
Dash attack | |||
Pose after she Wall jumps | |||
Animation when Falling off from the Ladder | |||
Also note that they changed her attributes and height to match Mario’s in order to represent their canon counterparts. [[Special:Contributions/112.210.234.159|112.210.234.159]] 07:38, September 23, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:That just seems like a series of coincidences at most. Several characters have moves that are similar to each other, and it's a stretch to call Inkling a clone/based off of Captain Falcon because of a few similar moves. Heck, with nothing confirmed this is more speculation than anything. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:19, September 23, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::A lot of characters borrow moves and animations from other characters. It saves time to build a character off of another one than to completely built them from scratch. Many characters are even built off of Captain Falcon specifically as evident with them sharing minor animations such as Little Mac, Simon, and Min Min (with the latter even having the Falcon Kick still in her game files). [[User:Diddy Kongstar|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#28282B;border:solid FF0000 5px;border-radius: 4px;padding:1px 3px;color:#FF0000">Diddy Kongstar</span>]] 21:37, September 24, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== King Dedede, Ice climbers pseudo-clone? == | |||
So, I came here to say this, because King Dedede kind of started off as a solo fighter clone of the Ice Climbers, because he has a Hammer like the Icies. Here are the possible moves of King Dedede that are similar or has the same concept to the Ice Climbers: 1st and 2nd hit of his jab (being downward and upward after), All of his Smash Attacks (with up smash being conceptually the same, except that he didn’t jump like the climbers), Pummel and Forward throw. I don’t know if these moves count and I’m sure that most of these moves are different by their frame data and animation, but that’s a stretch. [[Special:Contributions/112.210.233.216|112.210.233.216]] 04:31, October 12, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:It is indeed a stretch. King Dedede is nothing like the Ice Climbers. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 17:03, October 12, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:By that logic, all sword fighters are clones of each other and all brawlers are clones of each other. Just because two characters use a similar weapon doesn't mean they are clones. [[User:Diddy Kongstar|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#28282B;border:solid FF0000 5px;border-radius: 4px;padding:1px 3px;color:#FF0000">Diddy Kongstar</span>]] 19:20, October 13, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Jigglypuff/Kirby in Ultimate == | |||
Even though it's literally obvious that Jigglypuff is not Kirby at all, I believe it's worth mentioning in the Notes section that they share a down aerial, up tilt, forward smash, and kind of the down smash. | |||
[[User:EpicMagicBoi6|EpicMagicBoi6]] ([[User talk:EpicMagicBoi6|talk]]) 19:58, March 19, 2024 (EDT) | |||
:It's mentioned in trivia already that Puff was originally a semi-clone of Kirby back in 64 and has been basically fully decloned so I think it's unnecessary and redundant to mention that just because they still have some similar moves. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]] [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 01:39, March 20, 2024 (EDT) | |||
== Pichu and Pikachu & Aegis == | |||
I'm pretty sure Pichu and Pikachu's forward tilts can be considered similar enough to be called a clone move. Though it has been changed in animation, the general idea is the same- "the rat electro-kicks you with its hind legs". The only differences are that Pichu swings his legs around, rather than a single kick, meaning there is two hitboxes, as well as the fact that Pika's is angleable. Though this isn't really that influencial and I don't think they're THAT similar, I am just mentioning it. I also think that Mythra and Pyra's neutral specials can be considered similar as well. They follow "charging, and then doing a powerful multi-hit spin". Though they may not be the same, I think it definitely follows the same idea. | |||
[[File:PichuFTiltSSBU.gif|240px|frameless|left|Pichu Ftilt]][[File:PikachuFTiltSSBU.gif|240px|frameless|right|Pikachu Ftilt]] | |||
{{clr}}[[User:EpicMagicBoi6|<span style="color: orange;">'''EpicMagicBoi6'''</span>]] [[User talk:EpicMagicBoi6|<span style="color: green;">'''talk'''</span>]][[File:Orange567's signature icon.png|19px]] 20:43, October 22, 2024 (EDT) | |||
:I agree with Pikachu's and Pichu's forward tilts, but Pyra and Mythra's neutral specials is a stretch. [[User:Diddy Kongstar|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#28282B;border:solid FF0000 5px;border-radius: 4px;padding:1px 3px;color:#FF0000">Diddy Kongstar</span>]] 21:25, October 23, 2024 (EDT) | |||
== Found more differences of Ganondorf in SSBM == | |||
I think Ganondorf has even more animations that are slightly different from Falcon’s two of those being Dash Attack having Ganon’s left arm being more closer to his Right arm and his Jab having do a Palm thrust rather than a Punch. [[Special:Contributions/67.220.73.251|67.220.73.251]] 21:58, November 23, 2024 (EST) | |||
== Is Ike considered a "clone?" == | |||
Ike's Neutral and Down Specials are identical to Marth, Lucina, Roy, and Chrom's. Do you think he is considered a "clone?" [[User:Gorilli09|Gorilli09]] ([[User talk:Gorilli09|talk]]) 22:26, December 13, 2024 (EST) | |||
:Even with the similarities between those two moves (though calling the neutral special identical is a bit arguable), Ike has unique side and up specials, a unique Final Smash, and doesn't share a single normal with the rest of the Fire Emblem cast. Having two moves in common doesn't make a clone. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Gamer'''</span>]] 23:28, December 13, 2024 (EST) | |||
:That would be like calling Lucario a Mewtwo clone because they have similar neutral specials or calling King Dedede a Kirby clone because they have similar neutral specials and a chargeable hammer special move. As Aidanzapunk stated, having one or two similar moves doesn't make a character a clone. [[User:Diddy Kongstar|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#28282B;border:solid FF0000 5px;border-radius: 4px;padding:1px 3px;color:#FF0000">Diddy Kongstar</span>]] 08:02, December 14, 2024 (EST) | |||
== Not Captain Inkling? == | |||
So last time, I told you about that Captain Falcon was used as a base for Inkling and guess what I found more evidence that Inkling is used as a base for a different character that also isn’t Mario, and that is Mii Gunner! | |||
I mean there are evidence to proved that Mii Gunner was Inkling’s base because of more similar animations. | |||
Jab 1 | |||
Jab 2 | |||
Back Aerial | |||
Down Aerial (Kind of?) | |||
Down Throw | |||
Wall Jump animation | |||
Floor Attacks (Kind of?) | |||
Edge Attack (Kind of?) | |||
In Conclusion, Mii Gunner is somewhat used as a Base for Inkling and not Mario just because of similar attributes. [[Special:Contributions/112.204.162.242|112.204.162.242]] 02:54, January 7, 2025 (EST) | |||
:I don't think just because there are similar animations doesn't directly mean Inkling is based from Mii Gunner. It's not noteworthy enough that they share similar animations. If more evidence is found maybe. I'm not an admin here so I don't know if this should be added or not. [[User:EpicMagicBoi6|<span style="color: orange;">'''EpicMagicBoi6'''</span>]] [[User talk:EpicMagicBoi6|<span style="color: green;">'''talk'''</span>]][[File:Orange567's signature icon.png|19px]] 21:04, January 7, 2025 (EST) |
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