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==Update history== | ==Update history== | ||
Aside from glitch fixes, Joker received a mix of buffs and nerfs via game updates, but he was slightly nerfed overall. The first nerf was in update 4.0.0 to Makarakarn, which could now be broken by reflected projectiles inflicting more than 50% damage; however this nerf was compensated by a buff to its searchbox, which became more rounded, allowing Joker to reflect projectiles that would fly right over him | Aside from glitch fixes, Joker received a mix of buffs and nerfs via game updates, but he was slightly nerfed overall. The first nerf was in update 4.0.0 to Makarakarn, which could now be broken by reflected projectiles inflicting more than 50% damage; however this nerf was compensated by a buff to its searchbox, which became more rounded, allowing Joker to reflect projectiles that would fly right over him. | ||
Update 6.0.0 fixed an issue with Joker's forward smash pushing opponents too far during its charging animation, now making so Joker can't blatantly avoid damage by exploiting the move's previously wonky detection. | |||
Despite these nerfs, however, Joker is still considered to be a top tier character. | The most significant nerfs came with update 7.0.0; downward Gun's horizontal range was significantly reduced, while the Rebellion Gauge would now lose more time when Joker is hit by attacks. These nerfs noticeably affected his best landing and edgeguarding tool, and punishing him more for losing interactions while Arsene is active, which rewards opponents with good damage racking capabilities. | ||
Version 11.0.0 would further affect the safety of his moves by making Eiha and his counters more punishable if they are used recklessly. | |||
Version 13.0.0 slightly buffed Joker by removing ten frames of ending lag from All-Out Attack. | |||
Despite these nerfs, however, Joker is still considered to be a solid top tier character. | |||
[[File:Joker bullet comparison.png|thumb|250px|A comparison of the range of downward aerial bullets pre and post 7.0.0]] | [[File:Joker bullet comparison.png|thumb|250px|A comparison of the range of downward aerial bullets pre and post 7.0.0]] | ||
'''{{GameIcon|ssbu}} 3.0.1''' | '''{{GameIcon|ssbu}} 3.0.1''' | ||
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|dairdesc= Joker: An upside-down knife swing with a bit of delay before the swipe, similarly to Marth's down aerial.<br>Arsène: A delayed foot stomp that comes out a couple of frames after Joker's attack, instead of at the same time as his other moves. Unlike Joker's attack, it [[meteor smash]]es opponents. | |dairdesc= Joker: An upside-down knife swing with a bit of delay before the swipe, similarly to Marth's down aerial.<br>Arsène: A delayed foot stomp that comes out a couple of frames after Joker's attack, instead of at the same time as his other moves. Unlike Joker's attack, it [[meteor smash]]es opponents. | ||
Somewhat of a niche move due to its lack of safety and startup, down air occasionally sees use as a crossup tool. With Arsène, it is a powerful all-purpose move due to its hitbox duration, combo potential, and meteor smashing properties. The meteor smash itself is decently strong, KOing at around 60% at ground level. Additionally, due to the Arsène variant being two hits and Joker's down aerial sending opponents away from him, Arsène's down aerial can then potentially meteor smash opponents standing at the edge of a stage and KO them outright. | Somewhat of a niche move due to its lack of safety and startup, down air occasionally sees use as a crossup tool. With Arsène, it is a powerful all-purpose move due to its hitbox duration, combo potential, and meteor smashing properties. The meteor smash itself is decently strong, KOing at around 60% at ground level. Additionally, due to the Arsène variant being two hits and Joker's down aerial sending opponents away from him, Arsène's down aerial can then potentially meteor smash opponents standing at the edge of a stage and KO them outright. | ||
|grabname= | |grabname=Grab ({{ja|つかみ|Tsukami}}) | ||
|grabdesc=Reaches out with one arm. All of Joker's throws have him toss the opponent with blue energy. Unlike his other moves, Arsène does not affect the power of Joker's throws. | |grabdesc=Reaches out with one arm. All of Joker's throws have him toss the opponent with blue energy. Unlike his other moves, Arsène does not affect the power of Joker's throws. | ||
|pummelname= | |pummelname=Grab Kneebutt ({{ja|つかみニーバット|Tsukami Nībatto}}) | ||
|pummeldmg=1. | |pummeldmg=1.5% | ||
|pummeldesc= | |pummeldesc=A knee strike. Unique compared to other pummels, being marginally slower but stronger than similar pummels like {{SSBU|Mario}}, but slightly faster and weaker than stronger pummels like {{SSBU|Bowser}}. He shares this distinction with {{SSBU|Terry}}, {{SSBU|Min Min}}, {{SSBU|Steve}} and {{SSBU|Pyra}} & {{SSBU|Mythra}}. | ||
|fthrowname= | |fthrowname= | ||
|fthrowdmg=8% | |fthrowdmg=8% | ||
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|fsname=All-Out Attack | |fsname=All-Out Attack | ||
|fsdmg=3% (trapping hit), {{rollover|33.6%|not affected by the 1v1 multiplier|y}} (cinematic), 13% (ending screen) | |fsdmg=3% (trapping hit), {{rollover|33.6%|not affected by the 1v1 multiplier|y}} (cinematic), 13% (ending screen) | ||
|fsdesc= Joker announces "Ravage them!", then rushes forward, trapping opponents. Should he miss, Joker can also rush back if the control stick is pushed backwards. If any fighter is hit during either of these swipes (up to a maximum of | |fsdesc= Joker announces "Ravage them!", then rushes forward, trapping opponents. Should he miss, Joker can also rush back if the control stick is pushed backwards. If any fighter is hit during either of these swipes (up to a maximum of 4), they are attacked by Joker and three other Phantom Thieves, either Ann, Ryuji, and Morgana, or Makoto, Haru, and Yusuke, while either Futaba or Morgana comments on the attack. After the barrage is complete, Joker lands in front of the opponent and tugs at his glove while the screen changes into a splash screen and the opponent's silhouette spews sparkles in the background. Causes an [[instant KO]] if the opponent was at 100% damage or higher at the end of the cinematic. If the Final Smash results in the final KO needed to win, the splash screen will remain throughout the [[victory screen]]. Arsène will not affect All-Out Attack. | ||
}} | }} | ||
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| shorthop=14.2 | rshorthop=70-71 | | shorthop=14.2 | rshorthop=70-71 | ||
| djump=34 | rdjump=38-39 | | djump=34 | rdjump=38-39 | ||
| ellag=4 | rellag=2-75 | |||
}} | }} | ||
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[[Morgana]] appears for each of Joker's taunts. If he is present, [[Arsène]] will also rear back and flourish with his left arm when Joker taunts, making a pose identical to his official artwork. | [[Morgana]] appears for each of Joker's taunts. If he is present, [[Arsène]] will also rear back and flourish with his left arm when Joker taunts, making a pose identical to his official artwork. | ||
*'''Up taunt''': Smiles and tugs his glove while facing towards the camera, imitating the splash screen from the end of [[All-Out Attack]]. Morgana pumps his paw while saying "Looking cool, Joker!" before posing akimbo. | *'''Up taunt''': Smiles and tugs his glove while facing towards the camera, imitating the splash screen from the end of [[All-Out Attack]]. Morgana pumps his paw while saying "Looking cool, Joker!" ("{{ja|いけ、ジョーカー！|Ike, Jōkā}}", ''Go, Joker!'') before posing akimbo. | ||
*'''Side taunt''': Poses with his gun pointed, gun arm over his dagger arm. Morgana poses akimbo and playfully laughs while showing starry eyes. | *'''Side taunt''': Poses with his gun pointed, gun arm over his dagger arm. Morgana poses akimbo and playfully laughs while showing starry eyes. | ||
*'''Down taunt''': Faces his back towards the camera, resembling his official artwork for ''Catherine: Full Body''. Morgana goes "He-hey!" while bouncing on the spot, before crossing his arms. | *'''Down taunt''': Faces his back towards the camera, resembling his official artwork for ''Catherine: Full Body''. Morgana goes "He-hey!" while bouncing on the spot, before crossing his arms. | ||
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*'''Left:''' Morgana happily bounces around Joker. Joker gestures to Morgana before running towards the left. | *'''Left:''' Morgana happily bounces around Joker. Joker gestures to Morgana before running towards the left. | ||
*'''Up:''' Joker scratches his head as Morgana, transformed as the Morganamobile, drives up next to Joker, picks him up, and drives towards the left. The head-scratching animation is Joker's victory animation if he is the only member of his party remaining in ''Persona 5''. The Morganamobile is the victory screen when winning a match in Mementos. | *'''Up:''' Joker scratches his head as Morgana, transformed as the Morganamobile, drives up next to Joker, picks him up, and drives towards the left. The head-scratching animation is Joker's victory animation if he is the only member of his party remaining in ''Persona 5''. The Morganamobile is the victory screen when winning a match in Mementos. | ||
*'''Right:''' Morgana turns dramatically toward the screen, which ends up hitting him in the face. Joker gestures to Morgana before running towards the left. | *'''Right:''' Morgana turns dramatically toward the screen, which ends up hitting him in the face. Joker gestures to Morgana before running towards the left. Morgana's positioning in the Left and Right poses references the positioning of the remaining members of the active party in the ''Persona 5'' victory screens, with one member always closer to the camera than Joker and two further away. | ||
*'''Special''': If Joker wins a [[Stock]] or [[Stamina Mode|Stamina]] match with [[All-Out Attack]], the match will conclude on the splash screen without returning to gameplay, and this will persist into the victory screen, just like in ''Persona 5''. | *'''Special''': If Joker wins a [[Stock]] or [[Stamina Mode|Stamina]] match with [[All-Out Attack]], the match will conclude on the splash screen without returning to gameplay, and this will persist into the victory screen, just like in ''Persona 5'', in which experience points and money gained in battle are shown over the flash across the screen. This pose also automatically makes Joker pose in front in team battles. | ||
*'''Team''': If Joker is in a [[Team Battle]] and someone else poses in front, he will perform an exclusive animation where he tightens his glove and maintains a stance with his knife, although both of these are ported directly from his in-game up taunt and idle animation respectively. If he poses in front, none of his teammates will be seen. | *'''Team''': If Joker is in a [[Team Battle]] and someone else poses in front, he will perform an exclusive animation where he tightens his glove and maintains a stance with his knife, although both of these are ported directly from his in-game up taunt and idle animation respectively. If he poses in front, none of his teammates will be seen. | ||
[[File:Persona5VictoryThemeUltimate.ogg|thumb|Joker's default victory theme, ripped directly from the battle results screen of ''Persona 5'', entitled "Triumph".]] | [[File:Persona5VictoryThemeUltimate.ogg|thumb|Joker's default victory theme, ripped directly from the battle results screen of ''Persona 5'', entitled "Triumph".]] | ||
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Joker had a mixed, albeit positive reception on his release. Many players praised his movement with his horizontal and vertical speed alongside his great combo ability, and noted how all these traits were supplemented when Arsène was activated, granting him much greater damage and kill potential. His downward-angled Gun and Eiha/Eigaon were also viewed as fantastic tools that allowed him to easily escape disadvantageous situations and rack up percentage, respectively. However, many also noted how Joker had difficulty killing when Arsène was not active, given that his kill setups are unsafe on shield and quite difficult to consistently land, as well as many of his moves outright having low base knockback or knockback growth, which resulted in players labeling his kill potential as "inconsistent". In addition, players also remarked base Joker's relatively low damage output per move, seemingly exploitable recoveries with and without Arsène, and lack of out of shield options. Thus, initial opinions on him were divided: players such as {{Sm|Tweek}} and {{Sm|CaptainZack}} labeled him as a potential top tier character while others such as {{Sm|Leffen}} and {{Sm|VoiD}} regarded him as a mid-tier and low-high tier character, respectively. | Joker had a mixed, albeit positive reception on his release. Many players praised his movement with his horizontal and vertical speed alongside his great combo ability, and noted how all these traits were supplemented when Arsène was activated, granting him much greater damage and kill potential. His downward-angled Gun and Eiha/Eigaon were also viewed as fantastic tools that allowed him to easily escape disadvantageous situations and rack up percentage, respectively. However, many also noted how Joker had difficulty killing when Arsène was not active, given that his kill setups are unsafe on shield and quite difficult to consistently land, as well as many of his moves outright having low base knockback or knockback growth, which resulted in players labeling his kill potential as "inconsistent". In addition, players also remarked base Joker's relatively low damage output per move, seemingly exploitable recoveries with and without Arsène, and lack of out of shield options. Thus, initial opinions on him were divided: players such as {{Sm|Tweek}} and {{Sm|CaptainZack}} labeled him as a potential top tier character while others such as {{Sm|Leffen}} and {{Sm|VoiD}} regarded him as a mid-tier and low-high tier character, respectively. | ||
However, opinions regarding Joker's viability improved significantly after {{Sm|MkLeo}}, the best ''Ultimate'' player in the world, started using the character. MkLeo utilized Joker's quick movement, remarkable frame data, combos such as the drag-down combos, and the powerful advantage state of Arsène to place in the top 2 at every tournament he has attended since {{Trn|MomoCon 2019}}. Thanks to MkLeo's success, several other top players have picked up Joker as a secondary or co-main. Most notably, {{Sm|Zackray}} had used Joker as a co-main to win several Japanese nationals and a supermajor and was considered to be the best player in Japan during the early metagame. Due to their success, many top players have named Joker as the single best character in the game. | However, opinions regarding Joker's viability improved significantly after {{Sm|MkLeo}}, the best ''Ultimate'' player in the world at the time, started using the character. MkLeo utilized Joker's quick movement, remarkable frame data, combos such as the drag-down combos, and the powerful advantage state of Arsène to place in the top 2 at every tournament he has attended since {{Trn|MomoCon 2019}}. Thanks to MkLeo's success, several other top players have picked up Joker as a secondary or co-main. Most notably, {{Sm|Zackray}} had used Joker as a co-main to win several Japanese nationals and a supermajor and was considered to be the best player in Japan during the early metagame. Due to their success, many top players have named Joker as the single best character in the game. | ||
During the online metagame as a result of the [[COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on competitive Smash|COVID-19 pandemic]], MkLeo chose not to play Joker due to the nature of the game's netcode necessitating a different playstyle, leading to a perception that Joker is a weaker character online due to his more technical combos and reactionary playstyle becoming too hard to perform or unrewarding, which has reflected in his middling online tournament representation. However, Joker still possesses traits that are effective online, such as quick movements, a difficult to react to projectile, and powerful attacks when Arsène is active. Most recently, the success of players such as naitosharp in online tournaments, such as their 13th placing at {{Trn|Frame Perfect Series 6: ONLINE}}, has challenged the perception that Joker is not well suited for the online metagame. | During the online metagame as a result of the [[COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on competitive Smash|COVID-19 pandemic]], MkLeo chose not to play Joker due to the nature of the game's netcode necessitating a different playstyle, leading to a perception that Joker is a weaker character online due to his more technical combos and reactionary playstyle becoming too hard to perform or unrewarding, which has reflected in his middling online tournament representation. However, Joker still possesses traits that are effective online, such as quick movements, a difficult to react to projectile, and powerful attacks when Arsène is active. Most recently, the success of players such as naitosharp in online tournaments, such as their 13th placing at {{Trn|Frame Perfect Series 6: ONLINE}}, has challenged the perception that Joker is not well suited for the online metagame. | ||
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==[[Spirit]]s== | ==[[Spirit]]s== | ||
Joker's Phantom Thief fighter spirit can be obtained by completing {{SSBU|Classic Mode}}. It also available periodically for purchase in the shop for 300 Gold, but only after Joker has been downloaded. Unlocking Joker in World of Light allows the player to preview the first spirit below in the Spirit List under the name "???". As a fighter spirit, it cannot be used in Spirit Battles and is purely aesthetic. His student outfit has a fighter spirit of its own, available through the shop. Each fighter spirit has an alternate version that replaces them with their artwork in ''Ultimate''. Arsène also makes an appearance in Joker's fighter spirits, having a unique render when shown with Joker's ''Ultimate'' artwork. Because of this, Joker's ''Ultimate'' renders in his fighter spirits will show him without his mask/glasses on. | Joker's Phantom Thief fighter spirit can be obtained by completing {{SSBU|Classic Mode}} as Joker. It also available periodically for purchase in the shop for 300 Gold, but only after Joker has been downloaded. Unlocking Joker in World of Light allows the player to preview the first spirit below in the Spirit List under the name "???". As a fighter spirit, it cannot be used in Spirit Battles and is purely aesthetic. His student outfit has a fighter spirit of its own, available through the shop. Each fighter spirit has an alternate version that replaces them with their artwork in ''Ultimate''. Arsène also makes an appearance in Joker's fighter spirits, having a unique render when shown with Joker's ''Ultimate'' artwork. Because of this, Joker's ''Ultimate'' renders in his fighter spirits will show him without his mask/glasses on. | ||
Additionally, he appears in the Phantom Thieves of Hearts spirit. | Additionally, he appears in the Phantom Thieves of Hearts spirit. | ||
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***Joker is the only character whose name isn't announced by the announcer, as Sephiroth and Kazuya's names are announced in their respective victory fanfares. | ***Joker is the only character whose name isn't announced by the announcer, as Sephiroth and Kazuya's names are announced in their respective victory fanfares. | ||
*Joker is one of the few characters to speak during a KO: his alternate KO line has him saying "What?!" ("{{ja|済まない...|Sumanai...}}", ''I'm sorry...''). | *Joker is one of the few characters to speak during a KO: his alternate KO line has him saying "What?!" ("{{ja|済まない...|Sumanai...}}", ''I'm sorry...''). | ||
**Additionally, Arsène starts writhing in pain if Joker | **Additionally, Arsène starts writhing in pain if Joker loses his last stock via depleted HP in [[Stamina Mode]]. However, there is only animation and no audio. | ||
*Joker is the only character who speaks when transitioning from the victory animation to the results, saying either "Begone," "Nice," or "Hah!" | *Joker is the only character who speaks when transitioning from the victory animation to the results, saying either "Begone," "Nice," or "Hah!" | ||
*Joker technically has the most victory screens of any fighter, having | *Joker technically has the most victory screens of any fighter, having 39,449,444 victory screens in total. The reason for this is based on the [[All-Out Attack]] that is used for each non-clone/echo/alternate character (including male {{SSBU|Wii Fit Trainer}}, who has a different animation from his female counterpart) having their own one of 79 animations of when they get KO'd from it, which results in a victory screen.<ref>https://youtu.be/M-YsdP3CEjU?t=318</ref> | ||
*Despite having his civilian/student appearance appear as his alternate costume and the fact that he is being given a default civilian name (Ren Amamiya) since the anime and most future media appearances like ''Smash'' (as described in his [https://store.nintendo.co.uk/en/joker-no83-amiibo-super-smash-bros-collection-000000000010004482 amiibo description]), the costume does not use the name of "Ren" and continues to be referred to as "Joker". | *Despite having his civilian/student appearance appear as his alternate costume and the fact that he is being given a default civilian name (Ren Amamiya) since the anime and most future media appearances like ''Smash'' (as described in his [https://store.nintendo.co.uk/en/joker-no83-amiibo-super-smash-bros-collection-000000000010004482 amiibo description]), the costume does not use the name of "Ren" and continues to be referred to as "Joker". | ||
*Joker, {{SSBU|Meta Knight}}, {{SSBU|Inkling}}, {{SSBU|Hero}}, {{SSBU|Banjo & Kazooie}}, {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}, {{SSBU|Pyra}}, {{SSBU|Mythra}}, and {{SSBU|Sora}} are the only fighters who use their walking animations when navigating through the map in [[World of Light]]. | *Joker, {{SSBU|Meta Knight}}, {{SSBU|Inkling}}, {{SSBU|Hero}}, {{SSBU|Banjo & Kazooie}}, {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}, {{SSBU|Pyra}}, {{SSBU|Mythra}}, and {{SSBU|Sora}} are the only fighters who use their walking animations when navigating through the map in [[World of Light]]. | ||