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==Neutral== | ==Neutral== | ||
In [[Neutral_game|neutral]], jab is in many ways out-shined by Fox's down special, which is faster, cannot be crouch canceled, has less lag, and does more knockback (until very high percents). Jab is still useful though because of its range in front of Fox and the different potential follow-up options. The following is a full examination of jab's strengths and weaknesses: | In [[Neutral_game|neutral]], jab is in many ways out-shined by Fox's down special, which is faster, cannot be crouch canceled, has less lag, and does more knockback (until very high percents). Jab is still useful though because of its range in front of Fox and the different potential follow-up options. The following is a full examination of jab's strengths and weaknesses: | ||
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'''Conclusion''' | '''Conclusion''' | ||
Overall, jab is generally safe from shield punishes when performed from it's maximum range, but it is | Overall, jab is generally safe from shield punishes when performed from it's maximum range, but it is a risky choice within shield grab range. In the best case, a jab can bait a whiffed or late out of shield punish, and in the worst case, a jab will be punished by a well-timed grab or strong character-specific option. | ||
===Crouch Canceled=== | ===Crouch Canceled=== | ||
Jab is very susceptible to crouch canceling at even high percents, and even ASDI (auto-smash direction influence) down is equally effective at most percents. Depending on the situation, the defender will have about a 10 to 15 frame advantage, with access to their full moveset (in contrast to the limited options in shield). This means more characters will have faster attacks with more range to counter than from in shield. A poorly spaced jab can be crouch cancel countered easily by the full cast, and even a well-spaced jab may not be safe against most characters. | Jab is very susceptible to crouch canceling at even high percents, and even ASDI (auto-smash direction influence) down is equally effective at most percents. Depending on the situation, the defender will have about a 10 to 15 frame advantage, with access to their full moveset (in contrast to the limited options in shield). This means more characters will have faster attacks with more range to counter than from in shield. A poorly spaced jab can be crouch cancel countered easily by the full cast, and even a well-spaced jab may not be safe against most characters. | ||
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[[File:Jab_UpSmash.gif|250px|thumb|Leffen uses Jab - Up Smash to KO Hungrybox at Big House 4.]]Fox's Jab to Up Smash combo is among the most effective combos in the game for finishing the opponent's stock. Jab is generally safer to use in neutral than Up Smash because of so much less lag, and it's speed allows it to connect in situations Up Smash may not. When the Jab is initiated, the Fox player must react to whether the hit connected and if it can be followed-up with the opponent's DI. It is a good example of a hit confirm because the Jab hit is relatively safe, and it is necessary to react immediately after the hit with an Up Smash if possible. The combo is especially used on floaty characters at a guaranteed KO percentage to finish a stock. It usually isn't used to build damage because the risk/reward compared to other options which can likely lead to more than two hits. | [[File:Jab_UpSmash.gif|250px|thumb|Leffen uses Jab - Up Smash to KO Hungrybox at Big House 4.]]Fox's Jab to Up Smash combo is among the most effective combos in the game for finishing the opponent's stock. Jab is generally safer to use in neutral than Up Smash because of so much less lag, and it's speed allows it to connect in situations Up Smash may not. When the Jab is initiated, the Fox player must react to whether the hit connected and if it can be followed-up with the opponent's DI. It is a good example of a hit confirm because the Jab hit is relatively safe, and it is necessary to react immediately after the hit with an Up Smash if possible. The combo is especially used on floaty characters at a guaranteed KO percentage to finish a stock. It usually isn't used to build damage because the risk/reward compared to other options which can likely lead to more than two hits. | ||
The combo is not completely guaranteed at any percent. Jab does not have a lot of | The combo is not completely guaranteed at any percent. Jab does not have a lot of hitstun, so often the opponent can jump out if timed well. Whether DI should be up or away is dependent on position when hit, character, and percent. In general, floatier characters hit higher out of the air want to DI or SDI up so that they never drop low enough to be hit by sweetspot Up Smash. Otherwise, DI or SDI away can make the combo difficult or impossible to reach, and is the best option in many situations, but of course the best option is to crouch cancel counter the Jab. | ||
===Grab=== | ===Grab=== | ||
Grab is a useful follow-up to Jab when Up Smash will not KO and/or Jab does not do enough knockback to keep the opponent in the air for the up smash before they can land and shield (this is especially true of fast fallers who will fall to the ground too quickly to up smash them until high percents). Against some characters at certain percents, this is a true combo, but it can be an effective follow-up even if it is not inescapable. | Grab is a useful follow-up to Jab when Up Smash will not KO and/or Jab does not do enough knockback to keep the opponent in the air for the up smash before they can land and shield (this is especially true of fast fallers who will fall to the ground too quickly to up smash them until high percents). Against some characters at certain percents, this is a true combo, but it can be an effective follow-up even if it is not inescapable. | ||
The advantage is even if they land on the ground before your follow-up, there are 3 frames of landing lag and the opponent may only have a few frames to do an action before the grab connects. The quickest, most common defensive actions (shield and crouching) can be buffered and will cover most follow-up options, but both of these options are vulnerable to a grab. A quick, weak attack may be an option for your opponent, but holding down can allow Fox to counter any quick attacks that would connect before his grab. Only a buffered roll or spot dodge is likely to escape this follow-up, and the opponent can be punished for consistently committing to one of these options. | The advantage is even if they land on the ground before your follow-up, there are 3 frames of landing lag and the opponent may only have a few frames to do an action before the grab connects. The quickest, most common defensive actions (shield and crouching) can be buffered and will cover most follow-up options, but both of these options are vulnerable to a grab. A quick, weak attack may be an option for your opponent, but holding down can allow Fox to counter any quick attacks that would connect before his grab. Only a buffered roll or spot dodge is likely to escape this follow-up, and the opponent can be punished for consistently committing to one of these options. | ||
Fox's up throw leads to guaranteed follow-ups against many characters, and so Jab - Grab can be an effective way to create an up throw opportunity. | |||
Fox's up throw leads to guaranteed follow-ups against many characters, and so Jab - Grab can be an effective way to create an up throw | |||
===Down Smash=== | ===Down Smash=== | ||
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==Hitboxes== | ==Hitboxes== | ||
{{MeleeHitboxTableHeader}} | {{MeleeHitboxTableHeader}} | ||
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|bn=25 | |bn=25 | ||
| | |zpos=1192 | ||
|effect=Normal | |effect=Normal | ||
|slvl=S | |slvl=S | ||
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|17 | |17 | ||
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{{FrameStripStart}} | {{FrameStripStart}} | ||
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c= | {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=2|e=LagContinuableS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=10|s=LagContinuableE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=14}} | ||
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{{FrameStripEnd}} | {{FrameStripEnd}} | ||
{{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|hitbox=y|interruptible=y}} | {{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|hitbox=y|interruptible=y|earliestcontinuable=y|continuable=y}} | ||
==Similar moves== | ==Similar moves== | ||
* | *{{mvsub|Falco|SSBM|neutral attack/Hit 1|poss=y}} | ||
{{MvSubNavFox|g=SSBM}} | {{MvSubNavFox|g=SSBM}} | ||