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An archive of some of my terrible opinions from a while back. | |||
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|{{Head|Mario|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Ally}}|| | |{{Head|Mario|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Ally|USA}}||—||One of the best ''Smash 4'' players best known for winning {{Trn|EVO 2016}}, the largest ''Smash 4'' event of all-time. | ||
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|{{Head|Luigi|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Elegant}}|| | |{{Head|Luigi|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Elegant|USA}}||—||The only Luigi player ranked on multiple [[PGR]] rankings. | ||
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|{{Head|Peach|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Samsora}}|| | |{{Head|Peach|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Samsora|USA}}||—||The only Peach player who was ranked on multiple [[PGR]] rankings. | ||
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|{{Head|Bowser|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Nairo}} | |{{Head|Bowser|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Nairo|USA}}||{{Sm|LordMix|USA}}||Although mostly known for being a secondary, he has defeated many top players with Bowser such as {{Sm|ZeRo}}, {{Sm|MkLeo}}, {{Sm|Tweek}}. | ||
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|{{Head|Yoshi|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm| | |{{Head|Yoshi|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Ron|Japan}}||{{Sm|Seth|USA}}, {{Sm|Raptor|USA}}||Tri-mains Yoshi but has the best Yoshi wins and performances, including winning {{Trn|Sumabato 18}} defeating {{Sm|Shuton}} and {{Sm|HIKARU}} with Yoshi. He is also the only Yoshi player ranked on the [[PGR 100]], ranking 57th. | ||
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|{{Head|Rosalina|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Dabuz}}|| | |{{Head|Rosalina|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Dabuz|USA}}||—||One of the best ''Smash 4'' players who has won six majors during ''Smash 4''{{'}}s heyday, including {{Trn|2GGC: Civil War}}, considered one of the hardest ''Smash 4'' events of all-time. | ||
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|{{Head|Bowser Jr.|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Tweek | |{{Head|Bowser Jr.|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Tweek|USA}}||—||Really the only Bowser Jr. player ever relevant in top-level competitive play, and Tweek's character switch contributed to Bowser Jr.'s drop on the tier list. | ||
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|{{Head|Wario|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Glutonny}}|| | |{{Head|Wario|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Glutonny|France}}||—||Europe's second-best player and the only Wario player ranked on the [[PGR]], ranking 70th on the [[PGR 100]]. | ||
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|{{Head|Donkey Kong|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|HIKARU}} | |{{Head|Donkey Kong|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|HIKARU|Japan}}||{{Sm|Tweek|USA}}||While Tweek has the better wins, Tweek also predominantly played Cloud and had much better performances with Cloud. On the other hand, HIKARU is a solo-DK and regularly places highly at Japanese events. He remains the only solo-Donkey Kong player to top 8 a major (doing so at {{Trn|2GGC: Civil War}}, no less). | ||
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|{{Head|Diddy Kong|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|ZeRo | |{{Head|Diddy Kong|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|ZeRo|Chile}}||—||The greatest ''Smash 4'' player of all-time. | ||
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|{{Head|Mr. Game & Watch|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Maister | |{{Head|Mr. Game & Watch|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Maister|Mexico}}||{{Sm|Regi|Mexico}}||The only Mr. Game & Watch player ranked on the [[PGR]], including 81st on the [[PGR 100]]. | ||
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|{{Head|Little Mac|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Sol}}||9th | |{{Head|Little Mac|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Tarakotori|Japan}}||{{Sm|Sol|USA}}||Tough call to make, but Tarakotori's 9th-place run at {{Trn|Umebura Smash 4 Final}} is by far the best Little Mac performance of all-time, as not only was it the highest Little Mac placed at a major, but he also defeated {{Sm|Kameme}}, {{Sm|Zackray}}, and {{Sm|takera}}. His other results are similar to Sol, as Tarakotori regularly placing top 64 at {{Trn|Umebura|series}} events and and has also defeated players like {{Sm|Eim}}, {{Sm|Kuro}}, and {{Sm|Umeki}} at notable Japanese events. | ||
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|{{Head|Link|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|T}}|| | |{{Head|Link|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|T|Japan}}||—||The only relevant Link player in top-level play (including being the only Link player ever ranked on a [[PGR]]). His rise in Japan and his run to 3rd at {{Trn|2GGC: Civil War}} was instrumental to Link's rise on the tier list. | ||
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|{{Head|Zelda|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|ven}}|| | |{{Head|Zelda|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Rizeasu|Japan}}||{{Sm|ven|USA}}||Definitely can see this be a tossup due to Rizeasu's true main being Random, but Rizeasu has arguably the best Zelda performances of all-time, including 2nd at {{Trn|Sumabato Tokaigi Qualifier 2}} and 7th at {{Trn|Sumabato 28}} defeating {{Sm|HIKARU}}, as well as wins over players such as {{Sm|Kuro}} and {{Sm|ikep}}. | ||
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|{{Head|Sheik|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm| | |{{Head|Sheik|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|ZeRo|Chile}}||{{Sm|Mr.R|Netherlands}}, {{Sm|VoiD|USA}}||The greatest ''Smash 4'' player of all-time who used Sheik during his prime, though longevity-wise I could see some people arguing Mr.R or VoiD. | ||
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|{{Head|Ganondorf|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm| | |{{Head|Ganondorf|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|adom|Israel}}||{{Sm|Gungnir|Japan}}, {{Sm|Rickles|USA}}||Literally could go to any of these three (or more) because the best Ganondorf players attend nothing. adom at least has a good record in Europe (9th at {{Trn|Syndicate 2017}} and {{Trn|Sweet Impact - Deflagration}} are two notable ones) and was ranked 46th in [[European Smash 4 Power Rankings|Europe]]. | ||
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|{{Head|Toon Link|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Sigma}} | |{{Head|Toon Link|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Sigma|Japan}}||{{Sm|Hyuga|Mexico}}||Only Toon Link player ranked on the [[PGR 100]] and has the best Toon Link performances, such as 4th at {{Trn|Umebura Smash 4 Final}} and many great {{Trn|Sumabato}} runs, such as winning {{Trn|Sumabato 22}}. Hyuga was ranked higher and had comparable results, especially early on, but he didn't have a career after 2016. | ||
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|{{Head|Samus|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|IcyMist}} | |{{Head|Samus|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|IcyMist|USA}}||{{Sm|ESAM|USA}}||ESAM has the better wins with Samus (mainly {{Sm|Ally}}), but he is primarily a Pikachu player. IcyMist has achieved some of the best Samus performances with solo-Samus, such as being the queen of Wi-Fi events and great runs at majors, including 9th at {{Trn|Royal Flush}} and 13th at {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2018}} defeating {{Sm|Marss}} in the former and {{Sm|Elegant}} and {{Sm|Wrath}} in the latter. | ||
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|{{Head|Zero Suit Samus|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Nairo | |{{Head|Zero Suit Samus|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Nairo|USA}}||—||One of the best ''Smash 4'' players of all-time. | ||
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|{{Head|Pit|g=SSB4|s=20px}} | |{{Head|Pit|g=SSB4|s=20px}}{{Head|Dark Pit|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Earth|Japan}}||—||The only relevant Pit/Dark Pit player in competitive play and was the only Pit player ranked on the [[PGR]]. | ||
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|{{Head|Palutena|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|TLTC | |{{Head|Palutena|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|TLTC|USA}}||{{Sm|Prince Ramen|USA}}||While Prince Ramen has the {{Sm|ZeRo}} win, he doesn't really have anything else outside of that while TLTC has the longevity. | ||
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|{{Head|Marth|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|MkLeo | |{{Head|Marth|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|MkLeo|Mexico}}||—||One of the best ''Smash 4'' players of all-time. | ||
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|{{Head|Ike|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Ryo | |{{Head|Ike|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Ryo|USA}}||{{Sm|San|USA}}||The only Ike player ever ranked on the [[PGR]] and the only Ike player to place top 8 at a major (7th at {{Trn|MLG World Finals 2015}}. The latter is what really puts him over San in my opinion. | ||
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|{{Head|Robin|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Dath | |{{Head|Robin|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Dath|USA}}||—||His 3rd-place run at {{Trn|Shine 2016}} is just unmatchable. Also the only Robin player ever ranked on the [[PGR]]. | ||
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|{{Head|Duck Hunt|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Raito}}|| | |{{Head|Duck Hunt|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Raito|Japan}}||—||The only Duck Hunt player ever ranked on the [[PGR]], even if {{Sm|Brood}} had the {{Sm|ZeRo}} win. | ||
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|{{Head|Kirby|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm| | |{{Head|Kirby|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Komota|USA}}||{{Sm|MikeKirby|USA}}||MikeKirby has the longevity but didn't really have much outside his region. Komota has the {{Sm|Ally}} win and the best Kirby placement at a major (25th at {{Trn|The Big House 8}}). | ||
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|{{Head|King Dedede|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|zaki}}|| | |{{Head|King Dedede|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|zaki|Japan}}||—||He beat {{Sm|MkLeo}}. | ||
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|{{Head|Meta Knight|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|MkLeo}}|| | |{{Head|Meta Knight|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|MkLeo|Mexico}}||—||One of the best ''Smash 4'' players of all-time, though more known for Cloud and Marth he did win {{Trn|2GG Championship}} with primarily Meta Knight. | ||
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|{{Head|Fox|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Larry Lurr | |{{Head|Fox|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Larry Lurr|USA}}||—||One of the best ''Smash 4'' players of all-time. Only {{Sm|Light|p=Connecticut}} really challenged his title. | ||
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|{{Head|Falco|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|AC}} | |{{Head|Falco|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|AC|USA}}||{{Sm|Daybreak|USA}}, {{Sm|Keitaro|USA}}||Beat {{Sm|6WX}} with Falco and is the highest-placing Falco player at a major (25th at {{Trn|2GGT: Abadango Saga}}). Still mainly MK though. | ||
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|{{Head|Pikachu|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|ESAM}}|| | |{{Head|Pikachu|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|ESAM|USA}}||—||The only Pikachu player ranked on all [[PGR]] rankings and for some reason the only person who thinks Pikachu is top 10. | ||
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|{{Head|Charizard|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Sharpyzard}}|| | |{{Head|Charizard|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Tosshi|Japan}}||{{Sm|Sharpyzard|Dominican Republic}}||Sharpyzard has more exposure and the big win at {{Trn|BeSmash 2016}}, but Tosshi's 4th at {{Trn|Umebura 31}} defeating {{Sm|Nietono}} and {{Sm|Kome}} is the best Charizard performance of all-time, plus Tosshi has the best Charizard placement at a major (25th at {{Trn|Umebura Japan Major}}) and better wins ({{Sm|Ranai}}) | ||
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|{{Head|Lucario|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Tsu- | |{{Head|Lucario|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Tsu-|Japan}}||—||Almost won a major ({{Trn|Frostbite 2017}}) and is the only Lucario player ranked top 50 on multiple [[PGR]] rankings. | ||
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|{{Head|Jigglypuff|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm| | |{{Head|Jigglypuff|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Arika|Japan}}||{{Sm|Captain L|Canada}}||Captain L has defeated top players, but is still mainly Pikachu. Conversely, Arika has the best solo-Jigglypuff performance of all-time, placing 17th at {{Trn|Umebura Smash 4 Final}} defeating {{Sm|takera}} and {{Sm|Masashi}}. | ||
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|{{Head|Greninja|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|iStudying}} | |{{Head|Greninja|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|iStudying|Netherlands}}||{{Sm|Lea|Japan}}, {{Sm|Somé|Japan}}||Very tough, but I think iStudying edges them out thanks to the 2nd at {{Trn|B.E.A.S.T 6}} over {{Sm|ESAM}} and win over {{Sm|Ally}} at {{Trn|UGC Smash Open}}, as well as being the only Greninja player ranked on the [[PGR]]. Can't argue if people believe in Lea or Somé. | ||
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|{{Head|ROB|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|8BitMan}} | |{{Head|ROB|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|8BitMan|USA}}||{{Sm|OCEAN|Japan}}||Also very tough, but 8BitMan was the only [[PGR]]-ranked R.O.B. player and still had good R.O.B. performances even after picking up {{SSB4|Diddy Kong}}. OCEAN is just too inconsistent for me. | ||
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|{{Head|Ness|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|FOW}}|| | |{{Head|Ness|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|FOW|USA}}||—||The highest-ranking Ness player (12th on the [[PGR v1]]) and the only Ness player with multiple top 8s at majors. | ||
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|{{Head|Captain Falcon|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Fatality}}|| | |{{Head|Captain Falcon|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Fatality|USA}}||—||The only Captain Falcon player ranked on multiple [[PGR]] rankings. | ||
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|{{Head|Villager|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Ranai}}|| | |{{Head|Villager|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Ranai|Japan}}||—||The only Villager player ranked on multiple [[PGR]] rankings, as well as the only Villager player to win a major. | ||
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|{{Head|Olimar|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Shuton}}|| | |{{Head|Olimar|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Shuton|Japan}}||—||The only solo-Olimar player ranked on multiple [[PGR]] rankings. Dabuz was mainly a Rosalina player at the end of the day. | ||
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|{{Head|Wii Fit Trainer|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|John Numbers}}|| | |{{Head|Wii Fit Trainer|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|John Numbers|USA}}||—||The best peaks (placed 17th at four majors) and wins ({{Sm|WaDi}}, {{Sm|6WX}}, {{Sm|Zinoto}}) out of any Wii Fit Trainer player, and has the longevity as well. | ||
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|{{Head|Shulk|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Kome}}|| | |{{Head|Shulk|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Kome|Japan}}||—||The only Shulk player ranked on the [[PGR]]. | ||
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|{{Head|Dr. Mario|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm| | |{{Head|Dr. Mario|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|B7Games|USA}}||{{Sm|2ManyCooks|Canada}}||{{Sm|Abadango}} win at {{Trn|2GGT: Abadango Saga}} and placing 33rd at {{Trn|2GGC: Midwest Mayhem Saga}} takes it for me. | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Lucina|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Mr E|USA}}||—||Probably the only player actually successful with solo-Lucina, as most other players (such as {{Sm|ZeRo}}) only used Lucina as a secondary. | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Pac-Man|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Sinji|USA}}||{{Sm|Tea|Japan}}||Tea just came too little too late in my opinion. Sinji had the longevity and the [[PGR]] rankings even if Tea had the better peaks. | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Mega Man|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Kameme|Japan}}||—||The only Mega Man player ranked in the top 50 on the [[PGR 100]]. | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Sonic|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|KEN|Japan}}||—||One of the best ''Smash 4'' players of all-time and the only Sonic player with a major win ({{Trn|Umebura S.A.T.}}). | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Mewtwo|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Abadango|Japan}}||{{Sm|WaDi|USA}}||The only Mewtwo player with a major win ({{Trn|Pound 2016}}), though I can see arguments for WaDi due to Abadango playing Bayonetta towards the game's end as well as WaDi's win over {{Sm|ZeRo}}. | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Lucas|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Taiheita|Japan}}||—||The only Lucas player ranked on the [[PGR]]. | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Roy|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Cloudy|Mexico}}||{{Sm|Hyper Kirby|USA}}, {{Sm|TheFlow|France}}||Insane Mexican results such as 2nd at {{Trn|Smash Fest 3}} and 9th at {{Trn|Smash Factor 6}} defeating {{Sm|Kameme}}. Hyper Kirby has consistent majors but not as many great wins while TheFlow had a great {{Trn|Albion 3}} but also not that many great wins (cannot verify {{Sm|Lima}} win). | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Ryu|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Darkshad|USA}}||{{Sm|Locus|USA}}||Tough since both have similar results, but Darkshad's {{Sm|ZeRo}} win trumps Locus's 1-place higher ranking on the [[PGR 100]] in my opinion. | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Cloud|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|MkLeo|Mexico}}||{{Sm|Tweek|USA}}||One of the best ''Smash 4'' players of all-time who stuck with Cloud until the end while Tweek eventually began playing more Bayonetta. | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Corrin|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Cosmos|USA}}||—||The only Corrin player to win a major ({{Trn|The Big House 8}}) and the only Corrin player ranked in the top 50 on the [[PGR 100]]. | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Bayonetta|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Salem|USA}}||{{Sm|Tweek|USA}}||Salem being a contender for #1 when {{Sm|ZeRo}} was still active, his win at {{Trn|EVO 2017}}, and being solo-Bayonetta for most of ''Smash 4'' takes it for me. | ||
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|{{Head| | |{{Head|Mii Brawler|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Dapuffster|USA}}||—||Literally the only Mii Brawler player who did anything in competitive play. | ||
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|{{Head|Mii | |{{Head|Mii Gunner|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||{{Sm|Rom|Japan}}||{{Sm|AEMehr|USA}}||AEMehr has better peaks (13th at {{Trn|IBP Masters Showdown}}) but Rom has by far the better wins ({{Sm|Kirihara}}, {{Sm|Raito}}, {{Sm|Pugwest}}). | ||
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|{{Head|Mii | |{{Head|Mii Swordfighter|g=SSB4|s=20px}}||colspan="4"|No one plays this character | ||
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