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[[File:PopoLedgeAttackSSBU.gif|thumb|320px|Hitbox visualization showing Popo's ledge attack.]]
[[File:PopoLedgeAttackSSBU.gif|thumb|320px|Hitbox visualization showing Popo's ledge attack.]]
[[File:NanaLedgeAttackSSBU.gif|thumb|320px|Hitbox visualization showing Nana's ledge attack.]]
[[File:NanaLedgeAttackSSBU.gif|thumb|320px|Hitbox visualization showing Nana's ledge attack.]]
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==Overview==
==Overview==
Each of the duo heaves themselves onto the [[stage]] and takes a big inward swing at the enemy. Compared to most getup attacks, it's very slow and has low damage output, but above-average damage with the partner's 2nd attack.
With good timing, the Ice Climbers can be [[Desynching|desynced]] while grabbing the [[edge]]. This allows them to pick two different getup options at once, making them difficult to ledgetrap. What's more, if only one of the climbers is trapped successfully, the other can punish the opponent, turning an unfavorable situation into an advantageous one. This technique is often used to make the 2nd Climber use a getup attack while the 1st Climber safely gets up or jumps up to hit the opponent with a [[Ice Climbers (SSBU)/Down special|Blizzard]]. If the leader is quick about it, they can even get a combo or kill confirm out of their partner's attack.
Although a separated partner climber is programmed to make a beeline for their leader, if a foe tries to stop them, they will occasionally make an effort to fight back. The partner climber can throw opponents for a loop by using their edge attack instead of the usual.
As a pair, the Ice Climbers' edge attack sports versatility far beyond what anyone else's can muster, but on its own, it's among the worst in the game, having a very long startup with little payoff for landing it.
==Hitboxes==
==Hitboxes==
===Leader===
===Leader===
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===Partner===
===Partner===
The hitbox has two possible X offsets depending on whether the partner is facing right or left (respectively), preventing issues with the Z-axis.
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==Timing==
==Timing==
Every time the Ice Climbers regrab the ledge without touching the ground or being hit, the intangibility is reduced. It is portrayed below from a fresh ledge grab.
For each ledge grab without touching the ground or being hit, intangibility is reduced on subsequent ledge grabs, until it is lost entirely from the fourth grab onward. The hitbox visualization only shows intangibility for the first ledge grab.
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!Intangibility
!Intangibility (1st grab)
|1-26
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!Intangibility (2nd grab)
|1-21
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!Intangibility (3rd grab)
|1-13
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!Hitbox
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{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStripStart}}
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!Hitboxes {{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=23}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=29}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=4}}
|-
!1st grab {{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=26}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=33}}
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!2nd grab {{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=21}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=38}}
|-
|-
{{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=26}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=33}}
!3rd grab {{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=13}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=46}}
{{FrameStripEnd}}
{{FrameStripEnd}}



Latest revision as of 14:44, May 23, 2024

Hitbox visualization showing Popo's ledge attack.
Hitbox visualization showing Nana's ledge attack.

Overview[edit]

Each of the duo heaves themselves onto the stage and takes a big inward swing at the enemy. Compared to most getup attacks, it's very slow and has low damage output, but above-average damage with the partner's 2nd attack.

With good timing, the Ice Climbers can be desynced while grabbing the edge. This allows them to pick two different getup options at once, making them difficult to ledgetrap. What's more, if only one of the climbers is trapped successfully, the other can punish the opponent, turning an unfavorable situation into an advantageous one. This technique is often used to make the 2nd Climber use a getup attack while the 1st Climber safely gets up or jumps up to hit the opponent with a Blizzard. If the leader is quick about it, they can even get a combo or kill confirm out of their partner's attack.

Although a separated partner climber is programmed to make a beeline for their leader, if a foe tries to stop them, they will occasionally make an effort to fight back. The partner climber can throw opponents for a loop by using their edge attack instead of the usual.

As a pair, the Ice Climbers' edge attack sports versatility far beyond what anyone else's can muster, but on its own, it's among the worst in the game, having a very long startup with little payoff for landing it.

Hitboxes[edit]

Leader[edit]

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless
0 0 0 8.0% 1.0 AngleIcon45.png Forward 90 20 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 4.5 top 0.0 4.5 13.0 to 3.0 1.0× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(NoClang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Normal (effect) Hammer (type) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Kick SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png

Partner[edit]

The hitbox has two possible X offsets depending on whether the partner is facing right or left (respectively), preventing issues with the Z-axis.

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless
0 0 0 6.0% 1.0 AngleIcon45.png Forward 90 20 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 4.5 top 3.0 or -3.0 4.5 13.0 to 3.0 1.0× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(NoClang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Normal (effect) Hammer (type) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Kick SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png

Timing[edit]

For each ledge grab without touching the ground or being hit, intangibility is reduced on subsequent ledge grabs, until it is lost entirely from the fourth grab onward. The hitbox visualization only shows intangibility for the first ledge grab.

Intangibility (1st grab) 1-26
Intangibility (2nd grab) 1-21
Intangibility (3rd grab) 1-13
Hitbox 24-26
Interruptible 56
Animation length 59
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