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:I like the basic idea. I will note of course that both applying it and enforcing it will take a large amount of work that, unlike other recent-ish changes, cannot be aided by bots in any way. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Labbie 10:00, March 29, 2024 (EDT)
:I like the basic idea. I will note of course that both applying it and enforcing it will take a large amount of work that, unlike other recent-ish changes, cannot be aided by bots in any way. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Labbie 10:00, March 29, 2024 (EDT)
:'''Support'''. My opinions correlate with OT, but I'm still going to list out my reasonings:
:*'''Win lists rarely, if ever, have any context behind them'''. Literally anyone could look through Smashdata and pick out eight of a player's best wins, however just because a player has a win over another player does not mean that win was "legitimate". Are the wins during an actual tiered event or a notable regional, or are they from a weekly? Is the win on a person using their main or was said player sandbagging or under a handicap (this especially gets harder for smaller events with less recorded VODs)? For players with multiple mains, which character was used to defeat which player? Also, when did this win take place? A few examples I can think of include:
:**DarkStalker, who has a win over Glutonny, however the win was over an inebriated Glutonny sandbagging as Ganondorf. That didn't stop some players from [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Smasher%3ADarkstalker&type=revision&diff=1632427&oldid=1632426 adding Glutonny to the win list].
:**Lui$, who had a win over Sparg0... at GENESIS 6, way before Sparg0 was even remotely close to the level he is at currently and when Lui$ was likely a better player than Sparg0. [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Smasher:Lui$&oldid=1882233 So why was Sparg0 listed as a win for Lui$ up until recently]?
:**Snacc has wins over Earth and Shuton's Cloud for ''Smash 4''. However, both wins took place at Kyojin Dojo, years after ''Smash 4'' was even relevant. I do admit this was on me.
:*'''Win lists tend to get overbloated'''. The win list was meant to be a quick reference to some of a player's best accomplishments, however there is also such thing as too many players listed, which tends to happen to these lists, especially for older players. The eight-player cap was basically a non-written rule that I initially started, mainly so that win lists wouldn't just expand to absurd lengths. This was the case for many older players, where win lists tend to surpass 10, with even one going up to 15. At that point, the win list kind of loses its purpose and just ends up being a regurgitation of names that will be increased whenever a player takes another win. A longer win list literally serves no purpose but to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKcdo-jcoYo continuously reinforce that the player can compete against good players]. I appreciate all the editors who have been trying to maintain the eight-player cap, however this issue becomes increasingly harder for players at a higher level, as it will come to a point where it's really hard to sort out the eight best wins (see, [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Smasher%3ALima&type=revision&diff=1885166&oldid=1885165 Lima]). This brings me to my third point,
:*'''Several players who don't need win lists still have them'''. Only players on a higher skill level than the player who made the upset should be listed, and as a player becomes a higher skill level, it means there are less and less reason to list certain players. However, there have been several cases where win lists weren't removed even if they reached the highest level. A very egregious example is CaptainZack, who is ranked 15th on the PGR 100 yet [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Smasher:CaptainZack&oldid=1603887 still had a win list for ''Smash 4'' until 2021]. People are more prone to keep adding to the list instead of removing when the time comes, which is one of the reason that leads to bloat. Connecting to the previous point, the win list for many players at or near the top is just a list of 8 top 20 players, which at that point feels unnecessary because they had basically prove they could compete against the best of the best.
:I do think there is still some merit in listing wins with context, however what we have right now is not really effective in my opinion. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 12:16, March 29, 2024 (EDT)