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== Possible Brawlers == | == Possible Brawlers == | ||
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In the E3 Treehouse event, Bowser collected a Smash Ball and became Giga Bowser. Could someone please change the non-playable character list a put a checkmark for Giga Bowser in SSB4? | In the E3 Treehouse event, Bowser collected a Smash Ball and became Giga Bowser. Could someone please change the non-playable character list a put a checkmark for Giga Bowser in SSB4? | ||
:Sign your comments with 4 tildes. (~)[[Special:Contributions/72.104.148.215|72.104.148.215]] 09:56, 15 July 2014 (EDT) | :Sign your comments with 4 tildes. (~)[[Special:Contributions/72.104.148.215|72.104.148.215]] 09:56, 15 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
== Intended characters == | |||
Sakurai did confirm during the E3 Digital Event that Miis were intended as Playable characters in Brawl. Pac-Man was also considered according to an interview with the Weekly Famitsu. Source : http://kotaku.com/pac-man-almost-got-into-super-smash-bros-brawl-1599610742 | |||
== The Polygon Team, Wire Frames, and Alloys have been confirmed to not return. == | |||
In the e3 2014 trailer for SSB4, it was shown very briefly that the Mii Fighters are the ones you fight in Multi Man Mode in SSB4. That means the other Fighting Teams won't return. Please put an X in the SSB4 column for them. ([[User:Garridk|Garridk]] ([[User talk:Garridk|talk]]) 22:20, 13 August 2014 (EDT)) | |||
:We don't know that the other enemies won't appear in some other capacity. We can afford to wait. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:40, 13 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Mewtwo and Smash 4 == | |||
Shouldn't we say that Mewtwo was intended during the development of Smash 4 ? --[[User:Wolfy76700|Wolfy76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy76700|talk]]) 16:16, 11 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
: Not really. All Sakurai said was "We're considering it!" [[User:Magiciandude|Magiciandude]] ([[User talk:Magiciandude|talk]]) 16:46, 11 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Ice Climbers Intended? == | |||
Sakurai did explicitly state in an interview that there was issues in development with making the Ice Climbers work on 3DS. | |||
:Source? [[Special:Contributions/58.7.82.252|58.7.82.252]] 05:35, 15 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== "Intended" icon == | |||
Whoops. Guess I jumped the gun by utilising the {{Intended}} icon. So, what does everyone think? I find that the current <small>(Intended)</small> marking is too eye-catching for something that is not that significant. I made the icon based on {{Y}}, and tried to keep it as subtle as possible. It uses grey colourx, some transparency, and a neutral font. I have the PSD if anyone thinks there's room for improvement. --[[Ash_Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] <small>([[User_talk:Ash_Pokemaster|talk]])</small> 01:36, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I think the original version of the file was better because it was easier to see; the current one blends in with the table too much. --[[User:Skittles|Skittles]] ([[User talk:Skittles|talk]]) | |||
== Mii Fighter Seperation == | |||
I think that the Mii Fighter should be split into 3 different sections for each class rather than occupy the same row. They are all unique characters and all have unique movesets so why stick them together? | |||
[[User:Zm123bro|Zm123bro]] ([[User talk:Zm123bro|talk]]) 12:40, 2 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:The logic in the current arrangement is that despite the three variant movesets, they share a single character select screen icon and share a single page on the official website. It's definitely open to debate, though. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:04, 2 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I understand your point, but both of these statements also apply to Pokemon Trainer, and he has Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard (even before Char was announced for Sm4sh) as seperate rows. [[User:Zm123bro|Zm123bro]] ([[User talk:Zm123bro|talk]]) 16:20, 2 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::The difference is that now Charizard as well as Sheik/ZSS are standalone characters, and in the interest of treating them equivalently the rows have to be divided. The Miis are treated as one unit in some contexts and three in others. I personally think the current layout is a good compromise. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:16, 2 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
==You guys are missing a lot of intended characters== | |||
The title says it all. A lot of characters listed here were intended for other smash games but didn't make the cut have not ben listed. here is a complete list so you can add them. In addition, i've included characters that havent been playable yet but were still intended. | |||
===64=== | |||
*Meowth | |||
*Pit | |||
===Melee=== | |||
*Snake | |||
*Sonic | |||
*Excite Biker | |||
*Bubbles (Clu Clu Land) | |||
*Urban Champion | |||
*Balloon Fighter | |||
*Pit | |||
===Brawl=== | |||
*Plusle & Minun | |||
*Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik | |||
*Mii Fighters | |||
*Mega Man | |||
*Pac-Man | |||
*Villager | |||
*Dixie Kong | |||
Also, King Dedede being planned for Melee was just a rumor. All these characters need to be added to the list. [[Special:Contributions/106.68.147.50|106.68.147.50]] | |||
:While, yes, that is notable, they don't '''need''' to be on the list. Let's take Meowth as an example. He was (supposedly) planned to be in Smash ONE time. Tell me, is that notable? [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 08:38, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::A lot of these have been disproven (Meowth, Plusle/Minun), as well. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 10:05, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:King Dedede wasn't a rumor, Sakurai stated he intended him in an official interview with Famitsu. Most of these other ones are rumors or characters that were CONSIDERED, which doesn't mean they were intended. Dixie, Plusle/Minun (Which no, has not been disproven), and Toon Zelda/Sheik are not listed because they have not appeared as characters in the series yet, thusly they are not listed. As for Melee Snake, he was never intended, he was intended for Brawl by request of Kojima. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 15:07, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Actually, Snake suffered the same fate as Sonic in Melee. Kojima did request for Snake to be in Melee, but, like Sonic, he wasn't included due to time constraints. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 16:57, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Considered and intended are the same thing [[Special:Contributions/106.68.147.50|106.68.147.50]] | |||
::Uh…no, they're not. Considered means they thought of the idea, but they never actually brought the idea to life. Intended means that they appeared in the game somehow, but got dropped before the full game came out. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 20:37, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::Pit, Sonic, and Snake were intended for Melee. So add them. Villager, Mii, and Pac-Man were hardly even considered for brawl. Pit in SSB is just a rumor as of right now. The remaining characters don't belong on this table at all because they've only ever been intended. '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' 22:01, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
See this is why I don't think we should list "intended" in this table at all. It's such a dubious subject that's often impossible to prove either way. Besides, we have [[Template:CharacterTable]] that is supposed to be replacing the current table. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Cloronic 22:04, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Maybe not on this page/in this table, but somewhere (like maybe its own page?) And that page/table could list Bubbles, Excite Biker, Balloon Fighter, etc. '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' | |||
:If a definitive source can be provided, I don't see a problem with "Intended". However, all of the above users have not included a source with their claims, hence why they shouldn't be included. | |||
:--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>, 22:10, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::@Lakie: Mewtwo uses the official romanization in its Brawl files, while "pra_mai" does not (the official ones for Plusle and Minun are Plusle and Minun, respectively). {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 22:14, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::Evidence: Pit and Sonic are acknowledged [[Ice Climbers|on this]] [[Sonic|wiki]], so that means they don't need proof because they already have it. Snake is acknowledged as rumor [[Snake|on his page]], but I think I have proof- I just don't know where. Villager, Mii, and Pac-Man are also mentioned [[Villager|on]] [[Mii|their]] [[Pac-Man|pages]], but were basically shot down immediately. Pit is a rumor [[List of Rumors|according to this Wiki]], and I don't really need any evidence for Bubbles, Balloon Fighter, Dixie Kong, etc. not being in any game. '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' 22:18, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::That, and [[List of SSBM trophies (Others)#Pit|Pit's Melee trophy]] curiously asks, "Will Pit ever fight again?" I dunno...it might hint at him in Brawl, it might hint at him being considered/intended to be in Melee. Who knows. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 22:24, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::@PikaSamus people think "pra_mai" = Plusle and Minun because their Japanese names are '''Pra'''sule and '''Mai'''nun, respectively. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 22:28, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::::@Aidanzapunk: Mewtwo isn't listed as Myuutuu in the files. Mewtwo is the official romanization. Prasule and Mainun are not. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 13:07, 7 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Split suggestion == | |||
Should we maybe split this into [[Intended characters]]? It would list characters who were intended in every game (including characters like Ice Climbers, Dr. Mario, and Mewtwo, who have been proven intended for SSB4 and/or SSBB). That would also be a nice way to mention all of the retro characters considered for Melee. Thoughts? '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' 22:37, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:No no no no no no no no no no. This page isn't worth splitting, and your proposal is certainly not worth an article. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 22:40, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I honestly think it's a fine idea. If we move the characters over to the other page, then we can replace the table on this page with the new one. Also, you could have a decent sized article on this topic. It definitely wouldn't be a stub or an incomplete page, but it would have some notable information on it. Plus, we could use a place to put all this info we're arguing about. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 22:42, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Horrible idea. There are 6 or 7 characters who are listed as intended (correct me if I'm wrong), and it's handled by a few side notes below the tables. We don't need to split up the page for what could be handled by a few asterisks. <font face="sand">''[[User:Qwerty|<font color="black">Qw</font><font color="003F3F">er</font><font color="005F5F">ty</font>]] ''[[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="005F6F">(t</font><font color="003C6F">al</font><font color="000F7F">k)</font>]]</font> 22:52, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::If DYKG can cover it in part of a video, we can cover it here too. Now, I'm not going to be going around telling people what to do. I'm just saying what I normally say in any situation: if you have the opportunity, take it. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 22:59, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
'''Oppose''', per Qwerty. In addition, "Intended" characters can have a trivia point or a section, and "scrapped" characters can have a section or a spot on our [[Beta elements]] series of articles. | |||
--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>, 23:04, 6 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
The "intended" characters, even with extensive citations and sources, are still questionable in terms of their relevance outside individual pages like [[Ice Climbers]], [[Mewtwo]], etc. Definitely not worthy of a full page on the subject. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 00:26, 7 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
'''Support''' splitting intended characters into a new page. There are so many intended characters (that this wiki doesn't bother to list) that it would fill a whole page. If i had an account, i would help make it. [[Special:Contributions/106.68.147.50|106.68.147.50]] | |||
Make one![[User:Littlesquirtle|Littlesquirtle, an average user who honestly doesn't care. At all.]] ([[User talk:Littlesquirtle|talk]]) 13:40, 7 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
There aren't really many intended characters, so a page may be out of the question. But we need a specific somewhere for ''just'' intended characters. (On the other hand there are SOME people agreeing so I'm not going to withdraw my proposal to split...) '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' 14:49, 7 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:'''Strong oppose'''. I don't even see the need to have the intended thing on our current list. The intended characters are likely to be in the beta pages, anyway. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 15:46, 7 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::'''Strong Oppose'''. There's a reason why we have [[Beta elements|this page]] and trivia sections. Things like intended characters should go either [[Beta elements|here (or its subpages)]] or in the trivia. <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 20:07, 7 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
::On another note, this page needs archiving. I'll do it once this conversation dies down (if it hasn't already). <font face="AmericanTypewriter">[[User: Rtzxy|<span style="color:darkorange;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:SmashSig.jpeg]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:blue;">Smashing!</span>]]</font> 20:13, 7 October 2014 (EDT) | |||