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== Two questions... == | == Two questions... == | ||
#For ''Melee'' fighters, would it be at all possible to include their [[PAL Tier List]] positions and their | #For ''Melee'' fighters, would it be at all possible to include their [[PAL Tier List]] positions and their Brazilian Tier List positions in this Infobox? | ||
#For the original 64 game and ''Melee'', is it possible to modify some characters' [[Series symbol]]s to match their original appearances on those games? For the Mario series characters, for instance, the Mushroom was initially slightly flatter and had no spots. | #For the original 64 game and ''Melee'', is it possible to modify some characters' [[Series symbol]]s to match their original appearances on those games? For the Mario series characters, for instance, the Mushroom was initially slightly flatter and had no spots. | ||
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::::Fair, but this is getting a bit off topic on what's being discussed here. The point is that echoes, whether they are considered the same character or not by the game, do not always share the same slot on the CSS, and making a special parameter just for characters that "can" share a slot is superfluous. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 23:35, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | ::::Fair, but this is getting a bit off topic on what's being discussed here. The point is that echoes, whether they are considered the same character or not by the game, do not always share the same slot on the CSS, and making a special parameter just for characters that "can" share a slot is superfluous. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 23:35, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | ||
:::::It is a function in the game and makes echoes share a slot much like transformation characters or Mii Fighters in ''Smash 4''. [[User:Diddy Kongstar|Diddy Kongstar]] ([[User talk:Diddy Kongstar|talk]]) 23:44, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | :::::It is a function in the game and makes echoes share a slot much like transformation characters or Mii Fighters in ''Smash 4''. [[User:Diddy Kongstar|Diddy Kongstar]] ([[User talk:Diddy Kongstar|talk]]) 23:44, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | ||
::::::Yet, they aren't like the transformation characters or Smash 4 Miis because you're choosing whether you want them stacked or not. Adding them to "shareslot" or "altform" is inaccurate, and making a separate parameter specifically for a stacked menu is unnecessary because it only happens in certain circumstances. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 00:04, July 23, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:'''Oppose''' - The feature is already mentioned in three pages already. I think this is sufficient documentation, it's not like this feature is going under the radar and needs to be mentioned on the character pages as well.--[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 23:53, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:'''Support''' - It's not defaulted to on, but it's still an option in the game, and I don't see how it hurts anything to add it to the infobox. Alternatively an echofighter parameter could be added to the infobox. [[User:Stuart98|Stuart98]] ([[User talk:Stuart98|talk]]) 01:06, July 23, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::It hurts to add it because it looks cluttered and terrible (just like the actual stacking function) when it has to specify that it's an option (which takes up multiple lines on mobile), and calls too much attention to something not very notable or popularly used by either Nintendo or the competitive community, regardless of if it uses the shareslot parameter or a theoretical echofighter parameter. This feature is well documented on other pages already (one of which is linked on all of the ledes for the echoes), it doesn't need more. [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 05:14, July 27, 2022 (EDT) | |||
'''Oppose'''. Stacking echo fighters doesn't mean they share the same slot. It's still 2 separate slots, just crammed into the space of one slot. Sharing a slot implies you can switch between them, which you can't. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 07:39, July 23, 2022 (EDT) | |||
'''Strong Oppose'''. Stacking echo fighters just isn't notable enough to be given this much attention. Hell, they didn't even show the stacked CSS until the game leaked. Even outside of Nintendo, I rarely see anybody use this feature, either in real life or in videos, because half of the echoes are competitively different characters and nobody wants to press a different button than every other character to select Lucina, Chrom, or Ken. I would also prefer there not be any conflation with the infobox slots used for transformation characters. As for the alt form slot, I'd be fine just getting rid of it altogether since the share slot fills the same purpose. [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 02:32, July 27, 2022 (EDT) | |||
I think this has reached a consensus of not having an echo parameter nor putting them in the shareslot parameter. Both supporters have kind of samey arguments, while 5-6 opposed, half of whom seem to have different reasons for opposition. Also, to Diddy Kongstar, I'm noticing an editing pattern of you adding bloat related to echoes/clones from you (such as [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Ryu_(SSBU)&diff=1502570&oldid=1491130 adding disambiguations at the top of all clone-related pages in 2020], or trying to add echo stacking as an infobox parameter 3 times before even attempting to get a discussion) and the bloat patterns are honestly a little concerning. [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 17:32, July 28, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:The edits in 2020 were to provide consistency with other pages as many other pages such as [[Luigi (SSB)]] and the ''Melee'' clones had those disambiguations before. I didn't think the parameter was a big deal and a consensus never works. It either gets completely ignored or it immediately gets shot down. [[User:Diddy Kongstar|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#28282B;border:solid FF0000 5px;border-radius: 4px;padding:1px 3px;color:#FF0000">Diddy Kongstar</span>]] 22:27, July 30, 2022 (EDT)</small> | |||