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==Hi there!==
==Hi there!==
[[Image:Wiki.png|thumb|Welcome!]]
[[Image:Wiki.png|thumb|Welcome!]]
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:'''[[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]]''' is a great first stop, because you can see what other people are editing right this minute, and where you can help.
:'''[[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]]''' is a great first stop, because you can see what other people are editing right this minute, and where you can help.


:'''Please [[Special:Userlogin|sign in]]''', if you haven't already, and create a user name! It's free, and it'll help you keep track of all your edits. See [[Help:Why create an account]] for more info on creating an account.
:'''Please [[Special:Userlogin|sign in]]''', if you haven't already, and create a user name! It's free, and it'll help you keep track of all your edits. See [[SmashWiki:Why create an account?]] for more info on creating an account.


:'''Questions?'''  You can ask at the [[Forum:Help desk|Help desk]] or on the [[Help:Talk page|"discussion" page]] associated with each article, or post a message on [[User talk:Dr. Pain 99|my talk page]]!
:'''Questions?'''  You can ask at the [[Forum:Help desk|Help desk]] or on the [[Help:Talk page|"discussion" page]] associated with each article, or post a message on [[User talk:Dr. Pain 99|my talk page]]!
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LOL. You think you have an advantageous matchup against OT, the smasher who tested every aspect of Brawl, attended plenty of tournaments, and has been playing Smash Bros. since 2003? Doubt it. '''<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<span style="color:#00FFFF">THE</span>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<span style="color:#FF00FF">AVENGING</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<span style="color:#FFFF00">BANDIT</span>]]</span>''' 17:59, 16 February 2012 (EST)
LOL. You think you have an advantageous matchup against OT, the smasher who tested every aspect of Brawl, attended plenty of tournaments, and has been playing Smash Bros. since 2003? Doubt it. '''<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<span style="color:#00FFFF">THE</span>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<span style="color:#FF00FF">AVENGING</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<span style="color:#FFFF00">BANDIT</span>]]</span>''' 17:59, 16 February 2012 (EST)
:You may doubt it, but ''I'' don't, I'm gonna challenge him tomorrow. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 18:57, 16 February 2012 (EST)
:You may doubt it, but ''I'' don't, I'm gonna challenge him tomorrow. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 18:57, 16 February 2012 (EST)
::Sorry SM, I side with AB on this. Would you also like to brawl me whenever you are free?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 18:59, 16 February 2012 (EST)
::Sorry SM, I side with AB on this. Would you also like to brawl me whenever you are free?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 18:59, 16 February 2012 (EST)
:::Sure, we brawl tomorrow when I'm ready SWD. By the way AB, ''I'VE'' been playing Smash Bros. since 2001. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 19:06, 16 February 2012 (EST)
:::Sure, we brawl tomorrow when I'm ready SWD. By the way AB, ''I'VE'' been playing Smash Bros. since 2001. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 19:06, 16 February 2012 (EST)


==Brawl==
==Brawl==
Wanna brawl now?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 17:55, 17 February 2012 (EST)
Wanna brawl now?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 17:55, 17 February 2012 (EST)
:I'm ready, but my little sis. is currently using my Wii, but I'll let you know. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 18:33, 17 February 2012 (EST)
:I'm ready, but my little sis. is currently using my Wii, but I'll let you know. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 18:33, 17 February 2012 (EST)
::Okay, now I'm ready. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 19:42, 17 February 2012 (EST)
::Okay, now I'm ready. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 19:42, 17 February 2012 (EST)
:::Go on the IRC, it makes a lot of things easier when brawling.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 19:54, 17 February 2012 (EST)
:::Go on the IRC, it makes a lot of things easier when brawling.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 19:54, 17 February 2012 (EST)
::::For some dumb reason, my CPU won't go to the IRC. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 19:56, 17 February 2012 (EST)
::::For some dumb reason, my CPU won't go to the IRC. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 19:56, 17 February 2012 (EST)
:::::Use [[Special:WebChat]]. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 19:59, 17 February 2012 (EST)
:::::Use [[Special:WebChat]]. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 19:59, 17 February 2012 (EST)


==Brawl?==
==Brawl?==
Would you like a brawl? If you'd like to reply/brawl please go on IRC so we don't clog the recent changes.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 17:55, 21 February 2012 (EST)
Would you like a brawl? If you'd like to reply/brawl please go on IRC so we don't clog the recent changes.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 17:55, 21 February 2012 (EST)
:I wanna brawl, but my parents won't let me turn my Wii on Mon-Thurs. I need to post this on my user page. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 18:28, 21 February 2012 (EST)
:I wanna brawl, but my parents won't let me turn my Wii on Mon-Thurs. I need to post this on my user page. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span> 18:28, 21 February 2012 (EST)


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== Would you like to brawl ==
== Would you like to brawl ==
I just recently started using online brawl and I kinda want to test my skills out on players here. You free anytime soon? Let me know on my talk page or find me on the IRC where I am known as Brian. Until then, I'll be looking forward to battling you. --[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|1337 B33FC4K3]] ([[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|talk]]) 00:36, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
I just recently started using online brawl and I kinda want to test my skills out on players here. You free anytime soon? Let me know on my talk page or find me on the IRC where I am known as Brian. Until then, I'll be looking forward to battling you. --[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|1337 B33FC4K3]] ([[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|talk]]) 00:36, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
Hey man, sorry about leaving you hanging here. I heard you totally destroyed Lightning Blue and Accoolx. If you have time tomorrow, please let me know if you want to brawl. If you have last minute homework to do or family events, I understand. My brawl code is 0990-0677-6281 in case you didn't get it. Respond to my talk page or find me on the IRC. See you soon man. --[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|1337 B33FC4K3]] ([[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|talk]]) 03:11, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
That's totally fine man. Brawl me whenever you have time. I look forward to it. --[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|1337 B33FC4K3]] ([[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|talk]]) 16:20, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
Hey Man, it seems our schedules just don't seem to make things work. Anyway, I just got back from a long road trip. I'm very tired right now from alot of driving but if you're up for it, I can brawl right now. --[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|1337 B33FC4K3]] ([[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|talk]]) 21:02, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
It's k man, I totally understand. Don't worry, it takes alot to make me mad. Well lets hope next week will work. Cya then. --[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|1337 B33FC4K3]] ([[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|talk]]) 21:36, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
Are you free tomorrow morning? I can brawl for awhile then. I understand if you're busy. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 22:33, 21 April 2012 (EDT)
Are you free now? --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 21:40, 4 May 2012 (EDT)
Since it's memorial day weekend, would you like to brawl now. Also, can I ask we brawl for it's own sake, not to determine matchups. Not to belittle your skill and it's great that you have a desire to improve and go competitive, but I find that brawling purely to win and disregard fun will lead to unnecessary conflicts and arguments. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 21:19, 27 May 2012 (EDT)


== [[User:Smash Master/Userboxes|Your userbox page]] ==
== [[User:Smash Master/Userboxes|Your userbox page]] ==
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Please try to make small edits into one big edit. Using the preview button would help. Kind regards, [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="blue">'''Melee'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">'''Marth'''</font>]][[User:MeleeMarth01/SSB4 Roster Contest|<font color="seablue">'''01'''</font>]][[File:MM01Sig.png|19px]] 18:11, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
Please try to make small edits into one big edit. Using the preview button would help. Kind regards, [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="blue">'''Melee'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">'''Marth'''</font>]][[User:MeleeMarth01/SSB4 Roster Contest|<font color="seablue">'''01'''</font>]][[File:MM01Sig.png|19px]] 18:11, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:I know, OT already made a preview section, but thanks for letting me know, I'm forgetful somtimes. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 18:14, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:I know, OT already made a preview section, but thanks for letting me know, I'm forgetful somtimes. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 18:14, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
== yo ==
On your Smashwiki userbox, I noticed that your stats are very high or op. Are those stats really true or are you trying to make your self look great but your not? [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Autistic]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 21:13, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:The stats are true, I wouldn't lie about myself. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 21:17, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
::To be honest, I'd have to say none of those stats are true. At all. Your idea of dispute skills is being able to rephrase your previous point over and over again. Saying you have 100% smash skill means you are the god of Brawl, and you aren't even close that. Your smash knowledge is a lie, as anyone who thinks Kirby's f-smash being viable as a spam move, online and offline, should consider getting a brain checkup for proper identification skills of what character you are playing. You thought alot is a word, so your spelling stat should be lower. Having a 100% wikipresence would mean you are '''always''' on the Wiki, which you contradict on your user page. Why lie to other users when they just want to know if you're telling the truth? <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 22:41, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:::Dude, I know that Kirby's f-smash isn't a viable spam on or offline. And I know I'm no smash god, I'm a little close to it. You have no proof how I fight. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 23:07, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
It's his userpage, he can be as narcissistic or as humble as he wants. Userboxes are just for fun, and shouldn't be used to derive an accurate view of the user (other than how highly he/she views themself). [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 23:23, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:Oh, I thought they were to show other users what you are like, but OK. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 23:28, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
==Simplifying mainspace sections/articles==
Unless the content is unnecessarily explained, do not try to oversimplify things so that a second grader would understand it. Things that explain specifics (Kirby's buffs and nerfs) should be kept as so, since the explanations are necessary for a reader to know what specific attributes were nerfed. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 22:15, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:Oh. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 22:56, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
==Brawl?==
I'm looking for users to brawl with and thought you might be a good person to brawl. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Accoolx|<span style="color:darkgreen">Accool</span>]][[User talk:Accoolx|<span style="color:maroon">X</span>]]</span>''' [[File:AC.png|19px]] 17:16, 30 March 2012 (EDT)
:Check my userpage for my friendcode '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Accoolx|<span style="color:darkgreen">Accool</span>]][[User talk:Accoolx|<span style="color:maroon">X</span>]]</span>''' [[File:AC.png|19px]] 17:17, 30 March 2012 (EDT)
::I got it, my friend code is on my userpage. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 19:20, 30 March 2012 (EDT)
== Base Knockback and weakness clarification ==
To understand the strength of the move, you have to understand the various factors involved. There are two factors of knockback - base knockback and knockback scaling. Knockback scaling is how quickly knockback increases as damage increases. Base Knockback is essentially knockback at zero percent.
Kirby's Final Cutter has decent base knockback, which makes it very good in Multi-Man mode. However, it has no knockback scaling - that is, it has set knockback. Moves with set knockback have the same amount of knockback at any damage. So if you use Kirby's Up Special on an opponent at 100%, it will do the same amount of knockback as if the opponent was at 0% (often it will be even lower, due to stale move negation). Hope that explains things. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  17:40, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
:Oh, I just think that attacks with high base knockback are strong in general rather it grows knockback or not, but thanks for the explanation. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 17:51, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
==Brawl?==
I can brawl you know if you'd like :P --[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 18:36, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
:Sure, but there was a lot of lag the last time we fought, you sure you wanna fight me? <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 18:56, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
::Are you sure we've brawled?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 19:09, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
:::Uh... never mind. Lets go to the IRC. I got your friend code already. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 19:11, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
::::OK, just waiting for you...--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 19:20, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
== Brawl ==
Wanna Brawl me? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]]) 20:49, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
:Sorry, it's gonna be a busy weekend for me. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 21:15, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
==Couple pieces of advice==
'''Use the preview button''' - Yah, you find too many errors between small intervals. Use the preview button so that you can find all the errors at once.
'''Don't assume people are idiots''' - We are a Smash Wiki. We have exact info on knockback scaling and frames. Heck, we should have exact info for every single knockback, damage, and frames. Point is, Smash Wiki is striving to gather as much info on attacks as we can, since many smashers consider frame knowledge as the key to learning about the attack and it's attributes. Don't simplify stuff for no reason unless it is clearly unnecessary.
'''Don't argue about stuff that doesn't actually matter''' - You made quite a scene yesterday on Toast's talk page. Now, let's think about it. Did you actually have to care about whether or not Toast incorrectly listed a stat? No, you should never care. Don't care so much about a flaw a user pointed out. Instead, try to fix that flaw. Toast was just referring to how you do not utilize proper spelling and grammar. Whether or not he said 100% would not matter. In the end, he was just pointing out your flaw.
'''Don't back up claims without proper research and/or proof''' - Why do you think that falling speed is the only thing that matters when it comes to vertical endurance? Why do you think that you can just say that you're much better offline than online? You need proof and/or research for claims about the game or your skills. If you don't have proof and/or research, you can not expect people to believe you.
'''Don't contradict yourself''' - Probably the stuff the users on Smash Wiki joke about the most. You contradict yourself a lot. I don't know how you can improve on not contradicting yourself, so you're not getting any advice on this.
'''Don't attempt to make yourself seem better than you actually are''' - Damn, this has properly been the first issue you've had when you came to the Wiki. You want people to believe you don't suck? Don't just tell them that you're good offline. Provide actual proof, and don't use a future event to "prove" that you are good. Also, matchups do not determine how good you are. If I brawled 10 rookies at Brawl, would I be better than the guy who beat a single professional? Nope, not at all. Don't incorrectly use matchups to determine how pro you are.
You're sorta new here, so yah, you're expected to have some flaws. However, your attitude and flaws are expected to change when users express problems with them. Change the attitude and fix the flaws. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 13:03, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
:I'm smarter than you think, it's not just falling speed the helps survive vertically, weight is a factor of it too, it's like your saying that I think that Samas has a poor vertical endurance, but she doesn't, 'cause she's heavy. And like I said a million times, I'll prove my skill when I have the time. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 13:17, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
::Your reasoning behind why Falco has great vertical endurance is that he has high falling speed. If I misunderstood that, my fault, but you did link to the DK buff from SSB to Melee, so I assumed that you were only using the falling speed as a basis. And I really don't care if you think you're smart. If you fail to use proper grammar and spelling while editing, you'll still be told to fix that. Also, if you think you'll be able to prove your skill when you have the time, don't continue any arguments relating to your smash skill. It would be hopeless to think that just because you say you'll do it means you will definitely do it. If you don't have the time to go to a tourney, end conversations relating to your offline skill by saying that you just haven't got the time to do anything. Would save a lot of time when it comes to ending the argument. It would help if you just listened to my advice and fix your flaws, rather than stress that your mistakes (note mistakes) are not purely mistakes. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 13:47, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
::That's what I'm trying to say, but until I have the proof you guys need, rap up the ''skill'' talk 'til then. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 13:55, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
:::K, glad we have some sort of understanding. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 13:58, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
== Grammar editing others' comments ==
While there is an exception to the "no editing comments" policy when it comes to fixing typos and grammar, this only applies to your own comments, not to the comments of others. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:05, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
== Brawl ==
Would you like to fight? You WILL win, my freind code is 0647-8635-5462. [[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 13:25, 26 June 2012 (EDT)
:I wish i could fight right now, but I don't have any wi-fi yet. When I do, then I'll be able to fight. I hope it will be soon, but thanks for you confedence. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 14:43, 26 June 2012 (EDT)
== Just To Let You Know ==
I know what you meant to say was a joke, but just saying, the top SSB64 players [[Isai]] and [[Superboomfan]] are not Asian. Racism is not a professional manner of judging skill and such casual talk should only be done on IRC. Another thing, I don't mean to offend you in anyway, but you have not done anything to dispel your current reputation as an arrogant smasher with an over inflated opinion of his own skill. Also, saying you are "getting over being arrogant" implies you are still arrogant to a considerable degree. Again, I'm saying not to put you down, but to again remind you about professionalism and how others view you on the Wiki.
One more thing: We haven't brawled yet. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 16:00, 23 July 2012 (EDT)
And also archive your talk page when you get the chance too. If you need help with it, go to [[Help:Archiving talk pages]]. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Hammer (bro)]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 18:03, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

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Thank you, it'll be great working together! Smash Master (talk) 13:50, 4 January 2012 (EST)

Your mains

While I was looking at your main characters, I noticed that your main with the 1st tier characters. Do you get the feeling that tiers exist? Just asking, but I main with the 1st tiers too. ..... Falcon Punch!!!! PikachuHeadSSBB.png 21:09, 4 January 2012 (EST)

I don't know, but I don't really believe in tiers, but I have my own opinion of tiers like you saw, of coarse, I will make some changes every now and then. Smash Master KirbyHeadSSBB.png 13:28, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Preview button

Use it so you can do your editing in one edit and not clog the recent changes with unnecessary edits. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 20:30, 11 January 2012 (EST)

Brawl

Hey Smash Master. You seem like a pretty good player. Do you wanna brawl sometime? THEAVENGINGBANDIT 22:26, 5 February 2012 (EST)

Yeah. Smash Master (talk) 10:18, 6 February 2012 (EST) KirbyHeadSSBB.png (sorry I took so long to reply)
Wanna brawl now? I have my wii on. Oh and if you have an IRC client, click here THEAVENGINGBANDIT 21:04, 6 February 2012 (EST)
I want to, but I have an early curfue (rediculous if you ask me). Sorry to disappoint you. -_- Smash Master (talk) 21:55, 6 February 2012 (EST) KirbyHeadSSBB.png
A 19:00 curfew? You've gotta be kidding me. But you can still play Brawl. Again, if you have an IRC client, click this so we don't fill up the recent changes. If you don't, click this and type in "/join ##mainchow" without the quotes. If you can't brawl me, then we'll try this again tomorrow. THEAVENGINGBANDIT 22:07, 6 February 2012 (EST)
It's not THAT early, and for some reason my CPU won't go to the IRC. And, trust me, this is super crazy, my parents won't let me play on week days, except Fridays, my parents are TOO strict, this might have to be done on Friday. If you think it's too long then I agree. Smash Master (talk) 22:25, 6 February 2012 (EST) KirbyHeadSSBB.png
You ready yet? Smash Master 17:26, 10 February 2012 (EST)
Yes, I just gotta turn my wii on. My brawl code is 3826-0293-7919. THEAVENGINGBANDIT 17:57, 10 February 2012 (EST)
GGs. I'm gonna update my matchups. THEAVENGINGBANDIT 18:27, 10 February 2012 (EST)
Yeah, me too. :) Smash Master 18:31, 10 February 2012 (EST)

Wanna brawl again? THEAVENGINGBANDIT 17:06, 17 February 2012 (EST)

Yeah. Smash Master 17:10, 17 February 2012 (EST)
Turn items off. THEAVENGINGBANDIT 17:28, 17 February 2012 (EST)
OMFG! I AM NEVER BRAWLING YOU AGAIN!!! THEAVENGINGBANDIT 17:49, 17 February 2012 (EST)
Why, cause you keep losing to me? Smash Master 17:58, 17 February 2012 (EST)
Yeah, kind of. THEAVENGINGBANDIT 17:58, 17 February 2012 (EST)
Aw, don't be like that, I enjoy fighting you. You should fight my older bro. too, his main is Kirby too, and he's better than me with him, that was how I got my skill. And that last battle when you were Metaknight, that was him fighting you, I had to clean the bathroom during the last fight. He and I both think you fight well. And he plays Smash Bros. like 24hrs. He's been playing Smash Bros. since 2001 like me, only he played on an earlier month. He kills me in SSB64, SSBM, and SSBB. Smash Master 18:20, 17 February 2012 (EST)
k. Sorry I overreacted. THEAVENGINGBANDIT 18:38, 17 February 2012 (EST)
It's alright. Smash Master 18:49, 17 February 2012 (EST)

Your signature

Could you please move the Kirby head image in your signature somewhere else? The image comes after the datestamp, which isn't allowed. BlindColours Boing.png 09:05, 9 February 2012 (EST)

Not to mention that having it in the first place violates the rule about not using mainspace images in signatures. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Jiggy 10:35, 9 February 2012 (EST)
Then where CAN it go? Smash Master 15:04, 9 February 2012 (EST)
Simply put the image after the link to your talk page, ans before the timestamp. Also, you will have to upload a duplicate of the Kirby head to use in your signature. You have aspirations to become an admin, so I'll let you figure that out yourself. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumTransparent Swadloon.png 15:47, 9 February 2012 (EST)
I changed the style of my username, is this legal? Smash Master 15:22, 10 February 2012 (EST)
That signature is perfectly legal. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumTransparent Swadloon.png 15:25, 10 February 2012 (EST)
Great. Smash Master 15:33, 10 February 2012 (EST)

Your thoughts

LOL. You think you have an advantageous matchup against OT, the smasher who tested every aspect of Brawl, attended plenty of tournaments, and has been playing Smash Bros. since 2003? Doubt it. THEAVENGINGBANDIT 17:59, 16 February 2012 (EST)

You may doubt it, but I don't, I'm gonna challenge him tomorrow. Smash Master 18:57, 16 February 2012 (EST)
Sorry SM, I side with AB on this. Would you also like to brawl me whenever you are free?--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk Untitled-1 copy.gif 18:59, 16 February 2012 (EST)
Sure, we brawl tomorrow when I'm ready SWD. By the way AB, I'VE been playing Smash Bros. since 2001. Smash Master 19:06, 16 February 2012 (EST)

Brawl

Wanna brawl now?--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk Untitled-1 copy.gif 17:55, 17 February 2012 (EST)

I'm ready, but my little sis. is currently using my Wii, but I'll let you know. Smash Master 18:33, 17 February 2012 (EST)
Okay, now I'm ready. Smash Master 19:42, 17 February 2012 (EST)
Go on the IRC, it makes a lot of things easier when brawling.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk Untitled-1 copy.gif 19:54, 17 February 2012 (EST)
For some dumb reason, my CPU won't go to the IRC. Smash Master 19:56, 17 February 2012 (EST)
Use Special:WebChat. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumTransparent Swadloon.png 19:59, 17 February 2012 (EST)

Brawl?

Would you like a brawl? If you'd like to reply/brawl please go on IRC so we don't clog the recent changes.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk Untitled-1 copy.gif 17:55, 21 February 2012 (EST)

I wanna brawl, but my parents won't let me turn my Wii on Mon-Thurs. I need to post this on my user page. Smash Master 18:28, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Dodo, just a note, I cannot play on weekends as well (well I should tell this to Bandit instead). LightningBlue: Need to Balance 18:34, 21 February 2012 (EST)

@Brawl

I may be able to brawl tommorow. It needs to be early or later. Once I can I will post on your talk page again. LightningBlue: Music is Power 21:50, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

Sorry, I was out yesterday, but are you free today? Smash Master 19:15, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
Yes LightningBlue: Music is Power 21:07, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
K, my brawl code is 0519-1521-1046. Smash Master 21:12, 24 March 2012 (EDT)


Would you like to brawl

I just recently started using online brawl and I kinda want to test my skills out on players here. You free anytime soon? Let me know on my talk page or find me on the IRC where I am known as Brian. Until then, I'll be looking forward to battling you. --1337 B33FC4K3 (talk) 00:36, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

Hey man, sorry about leaving you hanging here. I heard you totally destroyed Lightning Blue and Accoolx. If you have time tomorrow, please let me know if you want to brawl. If you have last minute homework to do or family events, I understand. My brawl code is 0990-0677-6281 in case you didn't get it. Respond to my talk page or find me on the IRC. See you soon man. --1337 B33FC4K3 (talk) 03:11, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

That's totally fine man. Brawl me whenever you have time. I look forward to it. --1337 B33FC4K3 (talk) 16:20, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Hey Man, it seems our schedules just don't seem to make things work. Anyway, I just got back from a long road trip. I'm very tired right now from alot of driving but if you're up for it, I can brawl right now. --1337 B33FC4K3 (talk) 21:02, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

It's k man, I totally understand. Don't worry, it takes alot to make me mad. Well lets hope next week will work. Cya then. --1337 B33FC4K3 (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

Are you free tomorrow morning? I can brawl for awhile then. I understand if you're busy. --BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 22:33, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Are you free now? --BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 21:40, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

Since it's memorial day weekend, would you like to brawl now. Also, can I ask we brawl for it's own sake, not to determine matchups. Not to belittle your skill and it's great that you have a desire to improve and go competitive, but I find that brawling purely to win and disregard fun will lead to unnecessary conflicts and arguments. --BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 21:19, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

Your userbox page

Please try to make small edits into one big edit. Using the preview button would help. Kind regards, MeleeMarth01MM01Sig.png 18:11, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

I know, OT already made a preview section, but thanks for letting me know, I'm forgetful somtimes. Smash Master 18:14, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

yo

On your Smashwiki userbox, I noticed that your stats are very high or op. Are those stats really true or are you trying to make your self look great but your not? ..... The Autistic NintenNESsprite.png 21:13, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

The stats are true, I wouldn't lie about myself. Smash Master 21:17, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
To be honest, I'd have to say none of those stats are true. At all. Your idea of dispute skills is being able to rephrase your previous point over and over again. Saying you have 100% smash skill means you are the god of Brawl, and you aren't even close that. Your smash knowledge is a lie, as anyone who thinks Kirby's f-smash being viable as a spam move, online and offline, should consider getting a brain checkup for proper identification skills of what character you are playing. You thought alot is a word, so your spelling stat should be lower. Having a 100% wikipresence would mean you are always on the Wiki, which you contradict on your user page. Why lie to other users when they just want to know if you're telling the truth? MegaTron1XD:p 22:41, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
Dude, I know that Kirby's f-smash isn't a viable spam on or offline. And I know I'm no smash god, I'm a little close to it. You have no proof how I fight. Smash Master 23:07, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

It's his userpage, he can be as narcissistic or as humble as he wants. Userboxes are just for fun, and shouldn't be used to derive an accurate view of the user (other than how highly he/she views themself). Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 23:23, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

Oh, I thought they were to show other users what you are like, but OK. Smash Master 23:28, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

Simplifying mainspace sections/articles

Unless the content is unnecessarily explained, do not try to oversimplify things so that a second grader would understand it. Things that explain specifics (Kirby's buffs and nerfs) should be kept as so, since the explanations are necessary for a reader to know what specific attributes were nerfed. MegaTron1XD:p 22:15, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

Oh. Smash Master 22:56, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

Brawl?

I'm looking for users to brawl with and thought you might be a good person to brawl. AccoolX AC.png 17:16, 30 March 2012 (EDT)

Check my userpage for my friendcode AccoolX AC.png 17:17, 30 March 2012 (EDT)
I got it, my friend code is on my userpage. Smash Master 19:20, 30 March 2012 (EDT)

Base Knockback and weakness clarification

To understand the strength of the move, you have to understand the various factors involved. There are two factors of knockback - base knockback and knockback scaling. Knockback scaling is how quickly knockback increases as damage increases. Base Knockback is essentially knockback at zero percent.

Kirby's Final Cutter has decent base knockback, which makes it very good in Multi-Man mode. However, it has no knockback scaling - that is, it has set knockback. Moves with set knockback have the same amount of knockback at any damage. So if you use Kirby's Up Special on an opponent at 100%, it will do the same amount of knockback as if the opponent was at 0% (often it will be even lower, due to stale move negation). Hope that explains things. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 17:40, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Oh, I just think that attacks with high base knockback are strong in general rather it grows knockback or not, but thanks for the explanation. Smash Master 17:51, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Brawl?

I can brawl you know if you'd like :P --Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk Untitled-1 copy.gif 18:36, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Sure, but there was a lot of lag the last time we fought, you sure you wanna fight me? Smash Master 18:56, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
Are you sure we've brawled?--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk Untitled-1 copy.gif 19:09, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
Uh... never mind. Lets go to the IRC. I got your friend code already. Smash Master 19:11, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
OK, just waiting for you...--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk Untitled-1 copy.gif 19:20, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Brawl

Wanna Brawl me? RickTommy (talk) 20:49, 5 April 2012 (EDT)

Sorry, it's gonna be a busy weekend for me. Smash Master 21:15, 5 April 2012 (EDT)

Couple pieces of advice

Use the preview button - Yah, you find too many errors between small intervals. Use the preview button so that you can find all the errors at once.

Don't assume people are idiots - We are a Smash Wiki. We have exact info on knockback scaling and frames. Heck, we should have exact info for every single knockback, damage, and frames. Point is, Smash Wiki is striving to gather as much info on attacks as we can, since many smashers consider frame knowledge as the key to learning about the attack and it's attributes. Don't simplify stuff for no reason unless it is clearly unnecessary.

Don't argue about stuff that doesn't actually matter - You made quite a scene yesterday on Toast's talk page. Now, let's think about it. Did you actually have to care about whether or not Toast incorrectly listed a stat? No, you should never care. Don't care so much about a flaw a user pointed out. Instead, try to fix that flaw. Toast was just referring to how you do not utilize proper spelling and grammar. Whether or not he said 100% would not matter. In the end, he was just pointing out your flaw.

Don't back up claims without proper research and/or proof - Why do you think that falling speed is the only thing that matters when it comes to vertical endurance? Why do you think that you can just say that you're much better offline than online? You need proof and/or research for claims about the game or your skills. If you don't have proof and/or research, you can not expect people to believe you.

Don't contradict yourself - Probably the stuff the users on Smash Wiki joke about the most. You contradict yourself a lot. I don't know how you can improve on not contradicting yourself, so you're not getting any advice on this.

Don't attempt to make yourself seem better than you actually are - Damn, this has properly been the first issue you've had when you came to the Wiki. You want people to believe you don't suck? Don't just tell them that you're good offline. Provide actual proof, and don't use a future event to "prove" that you are good. Also, matchups do not determine how good you are. If I brawled 10 rookies at Brawl, would I be better than the guy who beat a single professional? Nope, not at all. Don't incorrectly use matchups to determine how pro you are.

You're sorta new here, so yah, you're expected to have some flaws. However, your attitude and flaws are expected to change when users express problems with them. Change the attitude and fix the flaws. MegaTron1XD:p 13:03, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

I'm smarter than you think, it's not just falling speed the helps survive vertically, weight is a factor of it too, it's like your saying that I think that Samas has a poor vertical endurance, but she doesn't, 'cause she's heavy. And like I said a million times, I'll prove my skill when I have the time. Smash Master 13:17, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
Your reasoning behind why Falco has great vertical endurance is that he has high falling speed. If I misunderstood that, my fault, but you did link to the DK buff from SSB to Melee, so I assumed that you were only using the falling speed as a basis. And I really don't care if you think you're smart. If you fail to use proper grammar and spelling while editing, you'll still be told to fix that. Also, if you think you'll be able to prove your skill when you have the time, don't continue any arguments relating to your smash skill. It would be hopeless to think that just because you say you'll do it means you will definitely do it. If you don't have the time to go to a tourney, end conversations relating to your offline skill by saying that you just haven't got the time to do anything. Would save a lot of time when it comes to ending the argument. It would help if you just listened to my advice and fix your flaws, rather than stress that your mistakes (note mistakes) are not purely mistakes. MegaTron1XD:p 13:47, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
That's what I'm trying to say, but until I have the proof you guys need, rap up the skill talk 'til then. Smash Master 13:55, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
K, glad we have some sort of understanding. MegaTron1XD:p 13:58, 6 May 2012 (EDT)


Grammar editing others' comments

While there is an exception to the "no editing comments" policy when it comes to fixing typos and grammar, this only applies to your own comments, not to the comments of others. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 13:05, 17 May 2012 (EDT)

Brawl

Would you like to fight? You WILL win, my freind code is 0647-8635-5462. The Cheese The Cheese.png 13:25, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

I wish i could fight right now, but I don't have any wi-fi yet. When I do, then I'll be able to fight. I hope it will be soon, but thanks for you confedence. Smash Master 14:43, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

Just To Let You Know

I know what you meant to say was a joke, but just saying, the top SSB64 players Isai and Superboomfan are not Asian. Racism is not a professional manner of judging skill and such casual talk should only be done on IRC. Another thing, I don't mean to offend you in anyway, but you have not done anything to dispel your current reputation as an arrogant smasher with an over inflated opinion of his own skill. Also, saying you are "getting over being arrogant" implies you are still arrogant to a considerable degree. Again, I'm saying not to put you down, but to again remind you about professionalism and how others view you on the Wiki.

One more thing: We haven't brawled yet. --BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 16:00, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

And also archive your talk page when you get the chance too. If you need help with it, go to Help:Archiving talk pages. Dots The Hammer (bro) NintenNESsprite.png 18:03, 23 July 2012 (EDT)