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::If the names on smashwiki.info come from a guidebook, they likely come from the [http://kouryaku.dengeki.com/book/4-04-912195-7/4-04-912195-7.html guide published by KADOKAWA] as it is the only book I'm aware of that the official Japanese Smash Twitter account has [https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1088602351299162112 posted about] and is the only one listed on [https://smashwiki.info/ガイドブック#大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ_SPECIAL smashwiki's guidebook article]. I've thought of purchasing it myself for fun (I think there are some western listings) but haven't yet. The pages for ''Brawl'' seem to be from [http://kouryaku.dengeki.com/book/4-04-867042-5/4-04-867042-5.html this book] based on the margins and the flames on every page. I've tried looking for scans of both but the site I used doesn't have a large Japanese collection. I don't know if there are Japan-centric sites that have scans and I don't know any Japanese to try to find them. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 21:20, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
::If the names on smashwiki.info come from a guidebook, they likely come from the [http://kouryaku.dengeki.com/book/4-04-912195-7/4-04-912195-7.html guide published by KADOKAWA] as it is the only book I'm aware of that the official Japanese Smash Twitter account has [https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1088602351299162112 posted about] and is the only one listed on [https://smashwiki.info/ガイドブック#大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ_SPECIAL smashwiki's guidebook article]. I've thought of purchasing it myself for fun (I think there are some western listings) but haven't yet. The pages for ''Brawl'' seem to be from [http://kouryaku.dengeki.com/book/4-04-867042-5/4-04-867042-5.html this book] based on the margins and the flames on every page. I've tried looking for scans of both but the site I used doesn't have a large Japanese collection. I don't know if there are Japan-centric sites that have scans and I don't know any Japanese to try to find them. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 21:20, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
:::That's what I figured as well. Unfortunately the only option to get more definitive names, at least for Brawl's, is to find someone who owns the guide and ask them, but what little I've managed to gather is a start. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution#top|talk]]) 21:29, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
:::That's what I figured as well. Unfortunately the only option to get more definitive names, at least for Brawl's, is to find someone who owns the guide and ask them, but what little I've managed to gather is a start. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution#top|talk]]) 21:29, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
== SSB vs. SSBU move names ==
I noticed your recent edit to [[Ness (SSBU)]], adding the moveset names from the Japanese SSBU guidebook you've been citing. Out of curiosity, I cross-referenced these names with [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/ChrNes.html those on the Japanese SSB website] for [[Ness (SSB)]]. Indeed, there are many that match up identically (e.g. the Neutral Attacks and Smash Attacks); others are similar, but with the addition of "PK" to their names (e.g. the Dash Attack); but there are others that are completely different (e.g. the Forward Tilt, Up Aerial, and Down Aerial).
If the moves themselves are different between SSB and SSBU, then that would explain the different names... but if the moves are otherwise identical, which name should take precedence? Should we use the SSB website for the SSB pages and SSBU guidebook for the SSBU pages? Or would the website take priority over the guidebook due to being a more "primary" source? Just some questions to consider. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 18:30, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

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Boss move name sources

I see that you've been adding boss move names, purportedly from the Japanese strategy guide. Would you be able to provide a link or scan of these pages as references? If so, I imagine they'd be accepted and quickly re-added. Unfortified Castle UnfortifiedCastleSig.png 15:02, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

The names are all compiled off of Japanese wiki sites, all of which heavily cite the guide as reference for the move names. Here's a page where I sourced Galeem's moves from, I know it's a secondhand source but the info appears consistent here and along several other sites and I've done due diligence to ensure that the information isn't just something a random internet user made up.
Unfortunately, if you NEED a scan of those pages, I'm not going to be able to provide those, as the guides are out of my budget range to justify buying something just to reference 3 pages or so. I can't find any scans of the physical pages online, bar for one from Brawl's guide with Duon I managed to find on a random eBay listing, I hope that's enough to show that the guides do indeed list the move names.
With Tabuu's moves, it's not going to be very easy to find a scan for the page unless you or someone else knows someone who owns the Japanese guide, as it's long since gone out of print and is a tad hard to find copies of. However, I'm pretty much positive the move names are correct since I cross-referenced them like 5 times with other websites, all of which had them listed as being names taken from the guide. BubbleRevolution (talk) 16:10, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
If the names on smashwiki.info come from a guidebook, they likely come from the guide published by KADOKAWA as it is the only book I'm aware of that the official Japanese Smash Twitter account has posted about and is the only one listed on smashwiki's guidebook article. I've thought of purchasing it myself for fun (I think there are some western listings) but haven't yet. The pages for Brawl seem to be from this book based on the margins and the flames on every page. I've tried looking for scans of both but the site I used doesn't have a large Japanese collection. I don't know if there are Japan-centric sites that have scans and I don't know any Japanese to try to find them. --CanvasK (talk) 21:20, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
That's what I figured as well. Unfortunately the only option to get more definitive names, at least for Brawl's, is to find someone who owns the guide and ask them, but what little I've managed to gather is a start. BubbleRevolution (talk) 21:29, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

SSB vs. SSBU move names

I noticed your recent edit to Ness (SSBU), adding the moveset names from the Japanese SSBU guidebook you've been citing. Out of curiosity, I cross-referenced these names with those on the Japanese SSB website for Ness (SSB). Indeed, there are many that match up identically (e.g. the Neutral Attacks and Smash Attacks); others are similar, but with the addition of "PK" to their names (e.g. the Dash Attack); but there are others that are completely different (e.g. the Forward Tilt, Up Aerial, and Down Aerial).

If the moves themselves are different between SSB and SSBU, then that would explain the different names... but if the moves are otherwise identical, which name should take precedence? Should we use the SSB website for the SSB pages and SSBU guidebook for the SSBU pages? Or would the website take priority over the guidebook due to being a more "primary" source? Just some questions to consider. --PeabodySam (talk) 18:30, July 23, 2021 (EDT)