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:Please don't write just a bunch of names at once, and focus on one case at a time with a well-reasoned argument for why. Also before suggesting any Ult characters, be mindful that the game only has a bit over a year of offline competitive history and then a year and half of online history, there's little actual history for these characters and you're likely setting your standards way too low if you think those characters should have more than ten players. For example, all those characters suggested don't even have more than a handful of players maining them on the last PGR, like are you going to really tell me Pikachu should have more than ten players when Esam was the only Pikachu player on the last PGR? If you can't name more than ten legitimate top players of a character, it's a definite no-go. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:44, July 16, 2021 (EDT) | :Please don't write just a bunch of names at once, and focus on one case at a time with a well-reasoned argument for why. Also before suggesting any Ult characters, be mindful that the game only has a bit over a year of offline competitive history and then a year and half of online history, there's little actual history for these characters and you're likely setting your standards way too low if you think those characters should have more than ten players. For example, all those characters suggested don't even have more than a handful of players maining them on the last PGR, like are you going to really tell me Pikachu should have more than ten players when Esam was the only Pikachu player on the last PGR? If you can't name more than ten legitimate top players of a character, it's a definite no-go. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:44, July 16, 2021 (EDT) | ||
:I would say a definite no to most of these except maybe 64 Fox, Brawl Snake and SSB4 Diddy (but I am not a 64 or Brawl expert so I am only basing this on a gut feeling that could be wrong). You should keep in mind that playerbase size does not directly correlate with tier standing, a textbook example of this would be Jigglypuff in Melee, which despite its tier ranking of #3 only has Hungrybox and Mango as truly notable top level representatives on an historical level. I am echoing OmegaTyrant on Ultimate, none of these characters deserve to have their list expanded yet, we can have this discussion again at the end of the game's life span or if, god forbid, a DLC character becomes absurdly dominant on the level of Cloud and Bayonetta in SSB4. --[[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 04:07, July 16, 2021 (EDT) | :I would say a definite no to most of these except maybe 64 Fox, Brawl Snake and SSB4 Diddy (but I am not a 64 or Brawl expert so I am only basing this on a gut feeling that could be wrong). You should keep in mind that playerbase size does not directly correlate with tier standing, a textbook example of this would be Jigglypuff in Melee, which despite its tier ranking of #3 only has Hungrybox and Mango as truly notable top level representatives on an historical level. I am echoing OmegaTyrant on Ultimate, none of these characters deserve to have their list expanded yet, we can have this discussion again at the end of the game's life span or if, god forbid, a DLC character becomes absurdly dominant on the level of Cloud and Bayonetta in SSB4. --[[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 04:07, July 16, 2021 (EDT) | ||
::I considered those three, but when taking a preliminary look at their already existing sections, 64 Fox and Smash 4 Diddy do not appear to have more than ten players that are absolutely indispensable to not mention. Then I was certain I was going to automatically approve Brawl Snake before this, since he was the definite #2 in playerbase after MK, but then I took a look at his current list that has just 13 players, with a few I would for sure take off that would bring it to 10, so he is a no-go unless it's demonstrated how there's more Brawl Snake players not already on there that absolutely need to be mentioned. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:20, July 16, 2021 (EDT) | |||
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More characters who I believe should have a limit of 15
Smash 64: Fox
Melee: Jigglypuff, Ice Climbers
Brawl: Marth, Falco, Diddy Kong, Snake
SSB4: Mario, Fox, Sheik, Mewtwo, Diddy Kong, Zero Suit Samus, Sonic, Rosalina, Ryu
Ultimate: Mario, Yoshi, Fox, Pikachu, Peach/Daisy, Mr. Game and Watch, Roy, Pichu, Zero Suit Samus, Pokémon Trainer, Wario, R.O.B., Snake, Wolf, Greninja, Palutena, Mega Man, Lucina, Inkling, Joker
RickTommy 03:35, July 16, 2021 (EDT)
- I definitely agree with Wolf, even cookies in the doc said when it reaches around 15 it gets really rough. PT probably makes sense too consider the amount of top players mains. Not sure about the others didn't really think about them yet.
NPM Morr!? 
03:38, July 16, 2021 (EDT) - Please don't write just a bunch of names at once, and focus on one case at a time with a well-reasoned argument for why. Also before suggesting any Ult characters, be mindful that the game only has a bit over a year of offline competitive history and then a year and half of online history, there's little actual history for these characters and you're likely setting your standards way too low if you think those characters should have more than ten players. For example, all those characters suggested don't even have more than a handful of players maining them on the last PGR, like are you going to really tell me Pikachu should have more than ten players when Esam was the only Pikachu player on the last PGR? If you can't name more than ten legitimate top players of a character, it's a definite no-go. Omega Tyrant
03:44, July 16, 2021 (EDT) - I would say a definite no to most of these except maybe 64 Fox, Brawl Snake and SSB4 Diddy (but I am not a 64 or Brawl expert so I am only basing this on a gut feeling that could be wrong). You should keep in mind that playerbase size does not directly correlate with tier standing, a textbook example of this would be Jigglypuff in Melee, which despite its tier ranking of #3 only has Hungrybox and Mango as truly notable top level representatives on an historical level. I am echoing OmegaTyrant on Ultimate, none of these characters deserve to have their list expanded yet, we can have this discussion again at the end of the game's life span or if, god forbid, a DLC character becomes absurdly dominant on the level of Cloud and Bayonetta in SSB4. --Rdrfc (talk) 04:07, July 16, 2021 (EDT)
- I considered those three, but when taking a preliminary look at their already existing sections, 64 Fox and Smash 4 Diddy do not appear to have more than ten players that are absolutely indispensable to not mention. Then I was certain I was going to automatically approve Brawl Snake before this, since he was the definite #2 in playerbase after MK, but then I took a look at his current list that has just 13 players, with a few I would for sure take off that would bring it to 10, so he is a no-go unless it's demonstrated how there's more Brawl Snake players not already on there that absolutely need to be mentioned. Omega Tyrant 04:20, July 16, 2021 (EDT)
- I considered those three, but when taking a preliminary look at their already existing sections, 64 Fox and Smash 4 Diddy do not appear to have more than ten players that are absolutely indispensable to not mention. Then I was certain I was going to automatically approve Brawl Snake before this, since he was the definite #2 in playerbase after MK, but then I took a look at his current list that has just 13 players, with a few I would for sure take off that would bring it to 10, so he is a no-go unless it's demonstrated how there's more Brawl Snake players not already on there that absolutely need to be mentioned. Omega Tyrant
