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#::The Xaltis situation is, to my knowledge, in the process of being rewritten right now to encompass additional details about her behavior that are currently not there, so that's not in a stable place to use as a reference point. More generally, I don't see why we should have to hedge our reporting further when we can simply list the allegations and any response from the player, list any bans/consequences that have resulted, cite our sources, and not attempt to say anything that isn't neutral, factual reporting. Stating that the assumption is that allegations are "unsupported" would only serve to imply that accusers' claims shouldn't be taken seriously. Besides, if the claim isn't supported by citations, it shouldn't be here in the first place to need such a disclaimer anyway. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:03, March 18, 2021 (EDT) | #::The Xaltis situation is, to my knowledge, in the process of being rewritten right now to encompass additional details about her behavior that are currently not there, so that's not in a stable place to use as a reference point. More generally, I don't see why we should have to hedge our reporting further when we can simply list the allegations and any response from the player, list any bans/consequences that have resulted, cite our sources, and not attempt to say anything that isn't neutral, factual reporting. Stating that the assumption is that allegations are "unsupported" would only serve to imply that accusers' claims shouldn't be taken seriously. Besides, if the claim isn't supported by citations, it shouldn't be here in the first place to need such a disclaimer anyway. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:03, March 18, 2021 (EDT) | ||
#:::We're not saying they're unsupported, we're saying that if we don't provide supporting evidence, the reader can assume they are unsupported, which is consistent with the principle of innocent unless found to be guilty. In other words, we're saying that we will list allegations that aren't necessarily supported, which is what we are currently doing on multiple smasher articles. If you take issue with the specific wording used, feel free to provide an improved wording. Also note that showing that the allegation was made is not the same as stating that the allegation is supported. Currently, pretty much any allegation made is being listed in controversy sections with minimal vetting, and the only source is the accuser's word. Without a disclaimer, we are being irresponsible with our reporting. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 11:10, March 18, 2021 (EDT) | #:::We're not saying they're unsupported, we're saying that if we don't provide supporting evidence, the reader can assume they are unsupported, which is consistent with the principle of innocent unless found to be guilty. In other words, we're saying that we will list allegations that aren't necessarily supported, which is what we are currently doing on multiple smasher articles. If you take issue with the specific wording used, feel free to provide an improved wording. Also note that showing that the allegation was made is not the same as stating that the allegation is supported. Currently, pretty much any allegation made is being listed in controversy sections with minimal vetting, and the only source is the accuser's word. Without a disclaimer, we are being irresponsible with our reporting. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 11:10, March 18, 2021 (EDT) | ||
#::::Stating that an allegation exists doesn't bypass "innocent until proven guilty" or anything like that. All we're doing is the same thing you'll see journalists do where articles will use phrasing like "alleged" or "claimed" rather than anything more definite. We are not the arbiters of whether a cited accusation is "supported" enough or not, nor should we be. Your proposal would imply accusations are false until "proven" true, which is as undesirable as the other way around especially in this context. Far better to simply state the facts ("allegation exists", "XYZ was banned", "XYZ disputes things", etc.), cite our sources, and allow the reader to come to their own conclusions without us feeling the need to prejudice their opinion. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:15, March 18, 2021 (EDT) | |||
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