Talk:Greatest of all time

Deletion for this, along with other pages

I agree with the deletion tag, and also would like to simultaneously nominate Top 100 Melee Players of All Time and Top 100 Smash Bros. Players of All Time for deletion as well, on account of all three being entirely subjective (with the "top 100" flat out saying they're subjective to begin with). Not every little detail has to be covered, Ac2k. Aidan, the Festive Rurouni 00:34, December 8, 2020 (EST)

First of all, just because information is subjective doesn't mean it can't belong on SmashWiki. SW:NPOV clearly says that subjectivity is allowed as long as it reflects the consensus of the Smash community, which this article does. Name a Melee player who believes that one of the four players mentioned isn't the GOAT, or name a Brawl player who believes that Mew2King isn't the Brawl GOAT, and maybe I'll agree with you.

Also, every single power ranking system ever created is subjective by definition, including SSBMRank and the global Ultimate rankings. They're decided by a panelist of several players, who rank each competitor based on a variety of subjective factors. Are you suggesting we delete those too?

In addition, I don't think it's fair to describe the idea of the GOAT of Smash as a "little detail," when there is a significant amount of discussion within the Smash community surrounding it. Google "goat melee" and you will find countless videos on YouTube 1 2 3 4, discussion threads on reddit 1, and news articles 1 2 3 4 5 6 talking about the greatest of all time in various Smash games. Awesome Cardinal 2000 02:50, December 8, 2020 (EST)

Subjectivity aside, I fail to see how this article is even necessary. The phrase "greatest of all time" is very self-explanatory, and frankly the article as a whole reads more like an elaborate April Fools joke than a serious article. Alex the Weeb 10:21, December 8, 2020 (EST)

The phrase "button mashing" is very self-explanatory, do you think it deserves a page? How can you claim to have a non-biased view of the subject if you immediately go off claiming that it reads like an "April Fools joke?" You've seen what SmashWiki actually looks like on April Fools right? Awesome Cardinal 2000 15:11, December 8, 2020 (EST)

Button mashing does deserve an article because it has an effect on gameplay, that is being able to get out of grabs, sleep, stun, etc. It can be useful to know what effect it has at all levels and know the specifics at competitive levels. --CanvasK (talk) 15:30, December 8, 2020 (EST)

I understand, I'm just arguing that it's a bad reason to delete an article. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:17, December 8, 2020 (EST)

I have to agree with Alex. There's a difference between "even non-competitive Smash players know who the best at the game are" and "not everyone who plays Smash knows about this mechanic that actually has an effect on the game".

Also, to go back to your initial response to my comment (apologies for getting to this so late):

• Alright, I'll concede that. I could probably make a case for M2K being a GOAT in Melee, but, given that my competitive knowledge is lacking (though not nonexistent), I don't know how well that case could be made (and I definitely wouldn't be able to tell you who would agree with me).
• I'll concede this too, though I would like to reemphasize my nomination for the deletion of the "top 100" pages, as, frankly, going outside of a top 10 makes things way more subjective than it needs to be (as in, there's much more room for debate and argument).
• Practically every competitive game ever, fighting or not, video game or not, has their discussions about who's the best at the game, but not everyone notes it as a major point. Yes, we, unlike a lot of other wikis regarding competitive games, actually cover the competitive scene behind our games, but not everyone focuses on it because it's not as important as other aspects. That is not to say it is unimportant altogether—by all means, note that Isai, Armada, M2K, ZeRo, and MkLeo are the best at each respective Smash game—but there is no reason to spell it out on a full page when it can be covered in one sentence to get its full meaning across.

Aidan, the Festive Rurouni 19:03, December 8, 2020 (EST)

I strongly question the need for this kind of article, never mind the fact that it looks a mess. Reading this talk page hasn’t answered my questions either. Support Black Vulpine of the 🦊Furry Nation🐺. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:04, December 8, 2020 (EST)

I agree to delete this page, and the others too. Too much subjectivity, article is hard to take seriously. I fail to see much reason for these articles to exist. Omegɑ Toɑd 21:38, December 8, 2020 (EST)