Forum:Tier list debate 2020: Part 1: Difference between revisions

#'''Support'''.  I think data is the most important thing in a tier list.  I dont support gathering tier lists because they have a lot of bias.  A person who hates playing against Jokers could easily put him in a lower tier.  However, I think the tier lists should go by data such as results and matchups.  I know a few Discords like Mac Nation could help with data such as matchups. [[User:Birdygamer1122|Birdygamer1122]] ([[User talk:Birdygamer1122|talk]]) 9:28, February 22, 2020 (EST)

#'''Support''': This is our best option going forward as it provides readers with immediate, concrete information about the current metagame based on a variety of sources, and we can always note which characters have the highest deviation in placement between sources. It will take a bit more work than the other two options, for sure, but there are two important things to note here. First is that no matter which option we choose, we will still have to do some level of work or outreach. 1 and 3 both involve gathering community opinions, just with one being more general than the other, and 2 requires us to reach out to interested parties to create this tier hub in the first place unless we want to use Reddit's or Eventhub's list, which may be shaky. Second, the competitive community would likely be happy to help with this project; we have no shortage of analysts such as {{Sm|PracticalTAS}} who are able to gather a ton of data for us or possibly help directly with suggesting aggregating methods. {{Sm|Ryobeat}} (a top 100 level ''Melee'' player), in particular, [https://twitter.com/RyobeatPeach/status/1226205093864800256 has expressed interest in making a central Google Doc for top 100 players to share ''Melee'' tier list opinions], which would take a lot of work off our backs if they allow us to use that data. I feel like Option 1 can only really work with ''Ultimate'' in its current state and will just create more work for SmashWiki down the line when ''Ultimate'' top player opinions become more concrete. It does not work for older games in the series that are still played because it's far more important to have an ordering of characters in more developed (albeit sometimes still developing) games with smaller roster sizes. Option 2 is extremely prone to bias unless the data is an aggregate from high-leveled players anyway, though I wouldn't be opposed to it if one of the community members mentioned above becomes the host for that central source. <b>-- [[File:Yellow sig.png|16px]] [[User:Yellow|<span style="color:#000;text-shadow: 1px 2px 3px #CCCC00;">Yellow</span>]] [[User talk:Yellow|<span style="color:#006400;text-shadow: 1px 2px 3px #9ACD32;">of the Grove</span>]]</b> 15:48, February 24, 2020 (EST)

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