Template talk:SSBU character table

Order by Smash Debut

So, what do you guys think about maybe ordering the characters by their debut in Smash? I know that is usually not done for these games, but since the CSS for Smash Ultimate seems to be ordered by debut, I was wondering what everyone else would think about that. It would make the roster more flexible because you wouldn't have to worry about characters being separated from their series. We could also do this for Melee, Brawl and 3DS/Wii U. I would say we could do 10x10 for this game, so that the main veterans are all evenly laid out and then have the Mii Fighters (possibly separated into 3) in the final row. Thoughts? Master Zach (talk) 18:39, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

I don't know if we should do it for the other games, since that's not how anything is ordered there, but if we're being given a canon order for Ultimate, we should probably use it. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 18:42, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

We don't have to be wrong just because Sakurai chooses to be. Toomai Glittershine The Interspacial 18:45, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

You worded that kind of dismissively. With that said, yeah, after thinking it through some more, it's probably a poor order for our purposes. An alternative might be the series order listed here. What we have right now isn't going to be a problem otherwise, though. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 23:23, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

Slight Reorder

I propose that we move Ice Climbers down a row to be next to Mr. Game and Watch, so that Corrin can be on the same row as the rest of the Fire Emblem characters. It looks a bit awkward to have Corrin as the only character on a different line than his series. 96.245.165.208 18:33, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

I would like that too, but ICs go first because they were announced in Smash before FE. Master Zach (talk) 18:01, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

Pokémon Trainer

Since only his Pokémon are playable and not the trainer, shouldn't his spot take up only 3 spaces instead of four? I realize this doesn't change much in terms of series breaking (there's always the option to just organize the characters by their debut in Smash!), but it would help a little. Regardless, it does make sense to keep at least the 3 Pokémon separate, much like how Zelda & Sheik were separate in Melee & Brawl. Master Zach (talk) 21:44, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

We kept them all together for the table in Brawl, for whatever that's worth. Either way, this table's gonna look ugly as long as we stick to series debut order 96.245.165.208 12:01, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

Denoting the starter characters

This may be too early for it, or unnecessary, but do you think we should highlight the starter’s names in bold this time instead of the unlockables? It would be a first, but I wanted to make sure before I started to work on it. Speed48 16:52, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

Should we add character numbers below and slightly change the ordering on the table?

This versrion (https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:SSBU_character_table&diff=prev&oldid=1175275) has the character numbers next to tbe series icons, and the characters are slightly reordered. Should we keep it that way? Here are the following reorders:

-Sheik is listed before Zelda, since Sheik was revealed first -Young Link is before Ganondorf, since YL was unlocked before Ganondord in Melee

-Pichu is placed before Mewtwo, due to Pichu was unlocked before Mewtwo in Melee

-Lucina is right before Rovin, since she was revealed before Robin. Even in Smash 4, despite Lucina being unlockable, had her trophy listed before Robin

-Wii Fit Trainer before Little Mac, since Wii Fit Trainer was revealed before Little Mac

-Additionally, This version listed the upcoming number of DLC newcomers as well, without editing the actual table. Should these changes by kept? 184.181.102.188 20:33, 21 January 2019 (EST)

See here and here for previous instances in which admins have explained the reasons not to use fighter numbers. For my thoughts on ordering, see here. Miles (talk) 20:37, 21 January 2019 (EST)

If Little Mac is placed before Wii Fit Trainer because Punh Out came first, then Duck Hunt should as well. That reasoning just doesn’t make sense. Also, if Pichu comes after Mewtwo because of the trophy list, then Lucina should be before Robin 184.181.102.188 20:51, 21 January 2019 (EST)