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| :Although it may have been 800+ bytes, the edit itself was actually pretty minor. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub#top|talk]]) 04:01, 15 April 2018 (EDT) | | :Although it may have been 800+ bytes, the edit itself was actually pretty minor. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub#top|talk]]) 04:01, 15 April 2018 (EDT) |
| ::Oh, ok. Hi, btw. [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron Reggie,'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''the Fearsome Warrior'''</span>]] 04:01, 15 April 2018 (EDT) | | ::Oh, ok. Hi, btw. [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron Reggie,'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''the Fearsome Warrior'''</span>]] 04:01, 15 April 2018 (EDT) |
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| == CEO ==
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| Side event winners should not be included in the template. This is also the reason why M2K isn't listed as an EVO winner for Brawl. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 19:31, 4 July 2018 (EDT)
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| :Got it. Wasn't too sure about it, but thanks for the clarification. I'll keep that in mind when editing future tournament pages. Also, was [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Tournament:CEO&diff=prev&oldid=1061493 removing PM from the CEO 2015 section] intentional? I understand it was a side-event, but it seems kind of strange to remove it anyways. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub#top|talk]]) 01:32, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
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| ::I guess I can re-add it while noting that it's a side event. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 07:37, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
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| == DISPLAYTITLE ==
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| In [[Smasher:Rickles]] page, there is somebody deleting the DISPLAYTITLE code, and his reason is
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| ''Smasher pages don't get the displaytitle treatment''. So I wonder are DISPLAYTITLE suitable for smasher articles? [[File:Grand Dad.png|19px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''GRAND DAD'''</span>]] [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: green;">Fleenstones!?</span>'']] [[File:NiceGrand.jpeg|23px]] 06:42, 15 July 2018 (EDT)
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| :Yes, DISPLAYTITLE is indeed suitable for smasher articles. I'm not really sure why Aidan thinks the opposite, but he was right in reverting your edit. Smasher page titles should stay in the same consistent format of "Smasher:<insert smasher name here>". The only times DISPLAYTITLE is used on Smasher articles is when players have either a lowercase letter at the beginning of their name or certain punctuation marks in their name. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub#top|talk]]) 07:10, 15 July 2018 (EDT)
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| Aidan reverted my edit? I am not the one who added DISPLAYTITLE on Rickles' page. But anyway, I think I get it now. [[File:Grand Dad.png|19px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''GRAND DAD'''</span>]] [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: green;">Fleenstones!?</span>'']] [[File:NiceGrand.jpeg|23px]] 07:15, 15 July 2018 (EDT)
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| :Ah, I thought you were the one who tried putting DISPLAYTITLE on Rickles' page. My bad. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub#top|talk]]) 07:17, 15 July 2018 (EDT)
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| == Cloudhead Live ==
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| The reason you weren't able to find anything about CLR is because it goes by several names (like Cloudhead Live Rankings, Cloudhead Rankings, Cloudhead Live, CLR, or simply Cloudhead). Off the top of my head, plenty of relevant players like Ally, Anti, MVD, and Fatality have talked about it. In addition, there was a time period that CLR was mistaken for being an exact prediction of the PGR, forcing both suar and the creator of the CLR itself to clarify otherwise. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 07:23, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
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| :I see, thanks for the heads up. I'm seeing a lot more tweets from top players now. Also, could you answer my question up in CEO section of this talk page? I think you might've missed it. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub#top|talk]]) 07:32, 26 July 2018 (EDT)
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| ==Smash 4 Saga==
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| Is it real? because if it is, then that's a ''Smash 4'' major (I saw you entered into it so that's why I'm asking). [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 22:04, April 1, 2019 (EDT)
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| :I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it was just 2GG's April Fools joke, but then again they might actually do it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub#top|talk]]) 19:22, April 3, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Nimbus series Draft ==
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| Just wanted to let you know I finished updating the draft you made for the Nimbus tournament series. I think it's pretty much ready for the main space now. [[User:Jaydyndm|Jaydyndm]] ([[User talk:Jaydyndm|talk]]) 10:59, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
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| == re: css ==
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| ok, i'm done editing it. thank you for letting me know. [[User:Conker the Squirrel|Conker the Squirrel]] ([[User talk:Conker the Squirrel|talk]]) 01:33, July 7, 2020 (EDT)
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| Hey there, regarding the revisions of https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:EmmiZhang?action=history, I have spoken directly with Emmi herself: https://imgur.com/a/xisSgwW. If such information is not enough, you can confirm with her yourself: https://www.facebook.com/emmi.zhang/. When you say "Information isn't true." can you provide your side of the evidence? Have you actually spoken with Emmi herself? Or are such information based on conversations with others? Given that there are inconsistencies on the actual identity, the page should be removed as no information can be verified.
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| [[Special:Contributions/73.70.82.215|73.70.82.215]] 23:03, May 11, 2021 (EDT)
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| :The thing is, we aren't denying EmmiZhang doesn't exist; there used to be an image of her on the wiki. What we are saying is that the EmmiZhang being represented on the wiki is not her, but Simon Xu. You can go to the Australian Smash 64 Discord and there's a lot of discussion on how Simon Xu posed as EmmiZhang and used TAS for the combo videos. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 23:09, May 11, 2021 (EDT)
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| I am in the discord, however the thing is, none of it is verifiable evidence but all "speculations". Not a single shred of evidence can be shown to be objectively true. Do discussions/speculative conversations constitute as actual reality? The person exists and can be contacted on facebook. If that is the case, the wiki page should be changed to speculative language, i.e., "there is debate on the actual identity of Emmi Zhang, some have argued it is Rom, while others have argued it is truetears. However, it is unclear who the actual identity of Emmi is.", rather than objectively true statements such as "Emmi Zhang is ..." [[Special:Contributions/73.70.82.215|73.70.82.215]] 23:15, May 11, 2021 (EDT)
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| :So, according to the Discord, the Facebook account you talked to is a fake. The information we had on her page can also be confirmed by users who claimed to have witnessed it. Since we also have a lot of other evidence that this scenario is true, I believe that what we have on this wiki is accurate. We could go with "Emmi's real identity is allegedly..." as a neutral ground, but as for reverting all of what we have on there, that's a no-go. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 23:20, May 11, 2021 (EDT)
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| Thanks. I see, so again no evidence has been presented, but rather "'''claims''' by people who have witnessed it". No evidence either has been presented that such Facebook account is a "fake" besides speculative discussions and conversations. I agree with you that such information should not be deleted and apologies for my edit since I do not use wiki much. However, given that all "evidence" is based on discussions/claims/speculations, the language should not be presented in such a way as truth, e.g. "Emmi Zhang is X", unless hard evidence can be used to substantiate it. Rather, speculative language should be used, such as "There is debate on the actual identity of Emmi Zhang, with some people stating that it is Rom, while others saying it is truetears." Other information such as the name, Simon Xu, should be also verified with actual evidence. If there exist only claims and speculative discussion, then such name (or other identifying information) should be redacted until hard evidence can be presented. For instance, I have claims that truetears is Jacob (from talking to the facebook account). Again this is only speculative and such information should not be presented as factual truth on the wiki page, especially for verifiable information such as name/location/age etc. I believe this is the logical thing to do in light of any hard evidence. [[Special:Contributions/73.70.82.215|73.70.82.215]] 23:33, May 11, 2021 (EDT)
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| :In a discussion where two sides are presenting evidence, and one side has more evidence to back up their case, one would logically be more inclined to side with more evidence. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 00:57, May 12, 2021 (EDT)
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| I agree with you, however, when neither side can present objectively true evidence, and both sides are just speculative discussions, then the language used shouldn't be presented as if it is factual statements. For instance, words such as "allegedly, supposedly" should be used rather than "is, has" etc [[Special:Contributions/73.70.82.215|73.70.82.215]] 01:53, May 12, 2021 (EDT).
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| :It's been several hours since I first asked the Australian Discord, and at this point I'm very sure what we have on the wiki is accurate. They provided [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5Tu6Qlxx2I this video] EmmiZhang made which uses a voice-altering software, something several members of SmashWiki's own Discord can attest to. The Australian Discord also provided a [https://pastebin.com/eQHM83AV chat log] of EmmiZhang admitting that she was Simon Xu. Finally, almost everyone who mentions EmmiZhang, including players who saw the whole situation play out in 2014, talks about how she doesn't exist. I feel like that is more than enough evidence, and honestly I'm more inclined to believe them over an IP who's not even located in the same continent. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:49, May 12, 2021 (EDT)
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