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Read both [[zeldawiki:Sheik#Gender|this]] and [https://www.polygon.com/2014/8/5/5948989/zelda-nintendo-sheik-gender-cosplay this]. After you've done so, feel free to reply about your opinion. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 23:46, 7 May 2017 (EDT) | Read both [[zeldawiki:Sheik#Gender|this]] and [https://www.polygon.com/2014/8/5/5948989/zelda-nintendo-sheik-gender-cosplay this]. After you've done so, feel free to reply about your opinion. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 23:46, 7 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
:Neither the Zelda Wiki nor the accompanying Polygon article cited supports the claim that Sheik is female. The wiki, if anything, refers to Sheik as male, and the Polygon article only quotes the marketing manager (who, among others, are notorious for inaccuracies) as saying Sheik is female. The marketing manager isn't even a lead creator. —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 23:55, 7 May 2017 (EDT) | :Neither the Zelda Wiki nor the accompanying Polygon article cited supports the claim that Sheik is female. The wiki, if anything, refers to Sheik as male, and the Polygon article only quotes the marketing manager (who, among others, are notorious for inaccuracies) as saying Sheik is female. The marketing manager isn't even a lead creator. —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 23:55, 7 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
::''Where the hell does this wiki claim Sheik to be male''. Good god, you just love to argue with us, don't you? We refer to Sheik as female and that's that. If you have a problem with it, then how about actually being productive about making constructive counter-points rather than just pulling the most random crap out of your ass just to spite us? I'm getting extremely sick of your behavior on this wiki and you constantly arguing with us even when you have no way to prove us wrong. I highly suggest you learn that the world doesn't revolve around you, because right now, I'm sick of dealing with you and you are on a sinking ship with me. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 23:58, 7 May 2017 (EDT) Sorry, this isn't how we discuss things on a wiki, especially not on my talk page. —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 00:20, 8 May 2017 (EDT) | <strike>::''Where the hell does this wiki claim Sheik to be male''. Good god, you just love to argue with us, don't you? We refer to Sheik as female and that's that. If you have a problem with it, then how about actually being productive about making constructive counter-points rather than just pulling the most random crap out of your ass just to spite us? I'm getting extremely sick of your behavior on this wiki and you constantly arguing with us even when you have no way to prove us wrong. I highly suggest you learn that the world doesn't revolve around you, because right now, I'm sick of dealing with you and you are on a sinking ship with me. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 23:58, 7 May 2017 (EDT)</strike> Sorry, this isn't how we discuss things on a wiki, especially not on my talk page. —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 00:20, 8 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
::"Marketing manager" is kinda selling Bill Trinen short. He works as personal translator for Miyamoto ([https://killscreen.com/articles/conversation-nintendos-bill-trinen-shigeru-miyamotos-transla/]), so his word on this subject probably has more legitimacy than you are giving him credit for. [[User:Oscuritaforze|Oscuritaforze]] ([[User talk:Oscuritaforze|talk]]) 00:02, 8 May 2017 (EDT) | ::"Marketing manager" is kinda selling Bill Trinen short. He works as personal translator for Miyamoto ([https://killscreen.com/articles/conversation-nintendos-bill-trinen-shigeru-miyamotos-transla/]), so his word on this subject probably has more legitimacy than you are giving him credit for. [[User:Oscuritaforze|Oscuritaforze]] ([[User talk:Oscuritaforze|talk]]) 00:02, 8 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
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::Two points:<br> | ::Two points:<br> | ||
::#Wait, did you just question an article with official information?? Polygon clearly states: '''We asked Nintendo if there was an official word on this, and they answered the call. Nintendo's official line, quoted from Nintendo senior product marketing manager Bill Trinen, is this: "The definitive answer is that Sheik is a woman — simply Zelda in a different outfit."'''.<br> | ::#Wait, did you just question an article with official information?? Polygon clearly states: '''We asked Nintendo if there was an official word on this, and they answered the call. Nintendo's official line, quoted from Nintendo senior product marketing manager Bill Trinen, is this: "The definitive answer is that Sheik is a woman — simply Zelda in a different outfit."'''.<br> | ||
::#Zelda Wiki refers to Sheik with male pronouns to avoid spoilers from Ocarina of Time - yes, their policies are strict, but we have different policies to them. And as the [[ | ::#Zelda Wiki refers to Sheik with male pronouns to avoid spoilers from Ocarina of Time - yes, their policies are strict, but we have different policies to them. And as the [[SW:NOT]] policy states, we're not a spoiler-free wiki.<br> | ||
::These two points should be enough to put an end to this dispute, so please stop. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 00:12, 8 May 2017 (EDT) | ::These two points should be enough to put an end to this dispute, so please stop. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 00:12, 8 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
::This whole argument is silly and it shouldn't have been a thing in the first place. [[File:RagnarokSignature.png|22px|link=]] [[User:Ragnarok320|<span style="color: red;">'''Ragnarok320, The Toa of Fire''']]</span> [[User talk:Ragnarok320|<span style="color: black;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 00:15, 8 May 2017 (EDT) | ::This whole argument is silly and it shouldn't have been a thing in the first place. [[File:RagnarokSignature.png|22px|link=]] [[User:Ragnarok320|<span style="color: red;">'''Ragnarok320, The Toa of Fire''']]</span> [[User talk:Ragnarok320|<span style="color: black;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 00:15, 8 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
::Yeah, that's true, but to address that, let me bring up another point. | ::Yeah, that's true, but to address that, let me bring up another point. | ||
::Japanese games with rich lore like Dark Souls suffer from the (I can't think up of another way to put it) imprecise nature of its structure. Often times the localizers will purposefully change the gender or sexual orientation of characters for this reason and the fact that there are white cultural norms the Japanese have to respect in order to sell their games without risking offending the child's papa and mama. Infamously, one of the "female" ghosts in Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door was actually a guy who dressed like a girl, and the fact that [https://www.themarysue.com/metroids-samus-aran-transgender-woman/ Samus was a transgender female was hidden from the public for many years]. —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 00:20, 8 May 2017 (EDT) | ::Japanese games with rich lore like Dark Souls suffer from the (I can't think up of another way to put it) imprecise nature of its structure. Often times the localizers will purposefully change the gender or sexual orientation of characters for this reason and the fact that there are white cultural norms the Japanese have to respect in order to sell their games without risking offending the child's papa and mama. Infamously, one of the "female" ghosts in Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door was actually a guy who dressed like a girl, and the fact that [https://www.themarysue.com/metroids-samus-aran-transgender-woman/ Samus was a transgender female was hidden from the public for many years]. —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 00:20, 8 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
