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| Please do not insult me again by accusing me of bad faith bias and using weird unhinged pycho analsyt. Those statements are just inappropriate. Please Communicate like an adult. You say I lied for putting literal facts down of tournaments that he attended, and then proclaimed some conspiracy. It's just insulting. This should be a discussion of making articles better and not weird personal attacks. Ask you to not do that again. You can't have a productive conversation doing that. If You really think I'm some unhinged bad faith person, then abuse your influence to get me banned. I'm acting in good faith and you're not reciprocating that. This is just a hobby, not a crusade. [[User:Person|Person]] ([[User talk:Person|talk]]) 03:20, October 30, 2024 (EDT) | | Please do not insult me again by accusing me of bad faith bias and using weird unhinged pycho analsyt. Those statements are just inappropriate. Please Communicate like an adult. You say I lied for putting literal facts down of tournaments that he attended, and then proclaimed some conspiracy. It's just insulting. This should be a discussion of making articles better and not weird personal attacks. Ask you to not do that again. You can't have a productive conversation doing that. If You really think I'm some unhinged bad faith person, then abuse your influence to get me banned. I'm acting in good faith and you're not reciprocating that. This is just a hobby, not a crusade. [[User:Person|Person]] ([[User talk:Person|talk]]) 03:20, October 30, 2024 (EDT) |
| :"I sincerely confused why you state ZeRo attending Cirque 3.5 and Mana monthly is misinformation."
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| ::I did not say that ZeRo attending these events were misinformation. I'm saying that claiming he was '''''unbanned''''' from these events is straight up misinformation. There is a difference between being "unbanned" and "ignoring the ban". Being unbanned means that the person has either been absolved of their accusations or have, for the lack of better words, "served their time" if their ban was not indefinite. On the other hand, ignoring the ban implies that the organizers allowed the person to compete even though the organizers knew they were still banned.
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| ::On the contrary, that entire paragraph implies that ZeRo was specifically unbanned from these events, which I have to emphasize again is not true. If you want further proof of that, Cirque 3.5's organizers [https://x.com/Theorlandogg/status/1812986333331099875 directly addressed this], acknowledging the accusations against ZeRo, yet they still chose to allow ZeRo to attend as a "second chance", and not because they believed he was absolved from his accusations. Not to mention, the same organizers have invited banned players in the past, including CaptainZack to Cirque 2, and one of the organizers had even invited {{Sm|Ally}}, someone who was clearly been banned indefinitely, to their [[Tournament:Kiki's Back On the Scene|online event]] a while back. I don't need to explain Mana Monthlies again, but I have to emphasize that there is evidence it's the same case.
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| :"There is no issue here using him as a source, and that's not remotely the only source I used"
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| ::and I never said there was an issue using him as a source, even in my edit summary I said [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Smasher%3AZeRo&type=revision&diff=1931997&oldid=1931982 "there was stuff worth keeping"]. However when most of the important information in the section, aside from additional info from ZeRo and Jisu, is from that one YouTuber, then I question whether it needs its own section or whether it can just be merged with the section above.
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| :"The defemation lawsuits are meant to prove in court that the accusation, both Jisu's personal and others were false."
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| ::Yet the entire lawsuit in itself was mainly ZeRo suing Jisu over the document/her statements. If there are any other accusations outside of Jisu (which there are), then it cannot be settled in the Jisu lawsuit since it's unrelated to it; ZeRo even mentioned that in his video, where he mentioned that even after Jisu deleted her document, the Katie situation remains unresolved. ZeRo can say all he wants, but the fact remains that the only cases with any resolution are the ones that Jisu were involved with.
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| :"Also yes mentioning Technical's promise to destroy the smash community is something of note to add to a controversy section. This is a major issue that the community has with Technicals, and is consistently brought up."
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| ::And what I'm saying is that this is just a generic, drama-filled statement that at the end of the day really just means how much Technicals does not like the state of the current community. Are we really going to add every instance of someone hating on the Smash community to their controversy sections? The words are charged, yes, but that's all there is to it. It does not fall under our guidelines at all. If you were meaning to explain how Technicals is a controversial figure in the community, this is also not the way to do it.
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| :"Please do not insult me again by accusing me of bad faith bias and using weird unhinged pycho analsyt."
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| :"If You really think I'm some unhinged bad faith person, then abuse your influence to get me banned."
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| :"I'm acting in good faith and you're not reciprocating that."
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| ::I do admit my tone was very charged and saying you "are seeking out this content" certainly went too far; I apologize for that. However my point was asking you to just take a step back and focus on editing something else, because I think it's pretty clear through your edits that you are becoming too invested into this case or Technicals. I want to trust you are acting in good faith; it's what [[SW:AGF|we are supposed to do]]. However, it is still concerning that several of your edits remained biased, or at least was becoming confirmation bias, and telling me to "abuse my influence" is just ad hominem and irrelevant. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 13:54, October 30, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::A quick addendum to my statement, it does seem like ZeRo was allowed to enter Mana Monthly events [https://x.com/themanalord/status/1827094486025208110 since the organizer believed his accusations to be false]. However it should be noted that the organizer's primary reason for running these events seem to be really twisted as well, so it's not really clear whether the organizer invited ZeRo to compete because he believed ZeRo was truly innocent or because ZeRo was caught up in cancel culture. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:12, October 30, 2024 (EDT)
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