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| :<s>Ugh, wikia.</s> Sheesh, that green lighting is annoying, then. But while I see black and yellow on Kanden's armor, his actual skin looks more green to me, and the green tint is part of his artwork, which they could've gone off of. I don't think Weavel would work. And this green palette of Dark Samus's could've been created to match Samus's, which had no real origin, I suppose. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 18:09, 28 November 2018 (EST) | | :<s>Ugh, wikia.</s> Sheesh, that green lighting is annoying, then. But while I see black and yellow on Kanden's armor, his actual skin looks more green to me, and the green tint is part of his artwork, which they could've gone off of. I don't think Weavel would work. And this green palette of Dark Samus's could've been created to match Samus's, which had no real origin, I suppose. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 18:09, 28 November 2018 (EST) |
| ::Talk page posts should be replied to on the page they were originally posted on... See [[SW:TALK]] for details. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 18:44, 28 November 2018 (EST) | | ::Talk page posts should be replied to on the page they were originally posted on... See [[SW:TALK]] for details. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 18:44, 28 November 2018 (EST) |
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| ==Spirit Battle Inspirations==
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| Listen, what you've said has been on my mind, and maybe we need to make some sort of compromise. You want the "inspirations" to be short, not too bloated, and to the point. I want them to be detailed for more context behind the "inspirations". I've recently thought back to how bloated I made Gruntilda's Spirit Battle inspiration is and how to make it short and sweet, not too unreadable. Maybe if we found a way to work together to keep the inspirations detailed and short at the same time, we can avoid some kind of editing war.
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| If you need an example of how we need to compromise our edits, I am always online.
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| [[User:Autismo555|Autismo555]] ([[User talk:Autismo555|talk]]) 10:48, 6 February 2020 (EST)
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| Hi, I hate to be a bit of a bother, but I need to know if this is what you were looking for in the Spirit Battle Inspirations.
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| Below here, you'll see my current edit of Gruntilda's Spirit Battle inspiration...
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| |[[File:SSBU spirit Gruntilda.png|center|64x64px]]
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| |Gruntilda
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| |•{{SSBU|King Dedede}} {{Head|King Dedede|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Green}}<br>•{{SSBU|Dr. Mario}} {{Head|Dr. Mario|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Green}} (x3)
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| |[[File:SpiritTypeAttack.png|20px|center|Attack]]
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| |[[Find Mii]] ([[Ω form]])
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| |•Hazard: Poison Floor
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| |•Defeat the main fighter to win<br>•The floor is poisonous<br>•[[Stamina battle]]
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| |{{SSBUMusicLink|Banjo-Kazooie|Vs. Klungo}}
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| *The choice of King Dedede as a fighter starting off with a Star Rod is a reference to Gruntilda and her magical attacks, while the King Dedede puppet fighter's favor for shielding is a reference to Gruntilda using a shield to defend herself from the player's attacks during the final boss fight of ''Banjo-Kazooie.'' Furthermore, the stage choice is a reference to the top of Gruntilda's Lair where the final boss battle is located, while the Poison Floor hazard is a possible reference to a typical witch's brew.
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| *The choice of multiple Dr. Marios as minion fighters is a reference to Klungo, Gruntilda's bumbling assistant. Furthermore, the three Dr. Mario puppet fighters is a reference to the number of times Klungo is fought as a boss in ''Banjo-Tooie'' while the Dr. Mario puppet fighters' frequent use of the [[Megavitamins]] attack is a reference to Klungo throwing potions as his main method of attack. Furthermore, the music choice is the battle theme heard during each of Klungo's boss battles.
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| *The Smash Balls enabled in this Spirit Battle is a reference to Banjo & Kazooie's Final Smash, [[The Mighty Jinjonator]] who was summoned during the final boss fight of ''Banjo-Kazooie'' to defeat Gruntilda.
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| And below this is my rewrite of Gruntilda's Spirit Battle Inspiration...
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| |[[File:SSBU spirit Gruntilda.png|center|64x64px]]
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| |Gruntilda
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| |•{{SSBU|King Dedede}} {{Head|King Dedede|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Green}}<br>•{{SSBU|Dr. Mario}} {{Head|Dr. Mario|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Green}} (x3)
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| |[[Find Mii]] ([[Ω form]])
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| |•Hazard: Poison Floor
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| |•Defeat the main fighter to win<br>•The floor is poisonous<br>•[[Stamina battle]]
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| |{{SSBUMusicLink|Banjo-Kazooie|Vs. Klungo}}
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| *The Giant King Dedede puppet fighter starting off with a Star Rod represents Gruntilda, a large witch who uses magical attacks during the final boss battle in ''Banjo-Kazooie''.
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| **The puppet fighter's frequent shielding references Gruntilda using a force field to protect herself from Banjo & Kazooie's attacks during the final phases of the boss battle.
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| *The three Giant Dr. Mario's represents Gruntilda's scientist assistant, Klungo, who is battled three times during ''Banjo-Tooie''.
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| **The Dr. Mario's frequent use of [[Megavitamins]] references Klungo attacking Banjo & Kazooie by throwing potions during each of his boss battles.
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| **The remix of Klungo's battle theme is heard during this Spirit Battle.
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| *The stage represents the top of Gruntilda's Lair where the final boss battle is located.
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| *The Poison Floor hazard references Gruntilda's Hazard Skill: Poison Power Up.
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| *The Smash Balls enabled in this Spirit Battle references Banjo & Kazooie's Final Smash, [[The Mighty Jinjonator]] who was summoned by the duo to defeat Gruntilda.
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| I need to know if the latter edit is what you're looking for in the Spirit Battle inspirations because this is what's been on my mind for a while. You want it to be short, straight to the point, I want it to have a bit more detail behind the context. I'm asking this for any sign of approval so we can make amends and we won't have an edit war with each other.
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| :I'm very sorry for the delayed response! I've been working a lot of overtime this month and haven't had much time to check SmashWiki.
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| :I definitely appreciate that you're willing to talk this over. To me, the main issue with including excessive detail or wording in the "Inspiration" column stems from the fact that it is a single column in a table that already has ten other columns. These aren't like the "Origins" sections of a full-fledged article, which can go into as much detail as needed. Therefore, keeping it concise and "short and sweet" looks better in a table format.
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| :I think your proposal is definitely a step in the right direction, cutting down on unnecessary wording like "the choice of", "furthermore", and keeping it directly relevant to the spirit battle itself. However, I would suggest that references to the spirit's abilities (such as Hazard Skills) aren't necessary if they don't tie directly into the spirit's origins; in this case, since Gruntilda isn't associated with poison in ''Banjo-Kazooie'', I don't think there's a need to specify any inspiration for the Poison Floor hazard (without delving into speculation). Of course, if there's any disagreement about what is or isn't a direct reference, it's something that could always be taken to the talk page for discussion.
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| :This is how I would further trim the inspiration column; otherwise, I think it looks good. I do wish there was a way to decrease the width of the column without relying on sub-bullets...
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| |[[File:SSBU spirit Gruntilda.png|center|64x64px]]
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| |•{{SSBU|King Dedede}} {{Head|King Dedede|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Green}}<br>•{{SSBU|Dr. Mario}} {{Head|Dr. Mario|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Green}} (x3)
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| |[[Find Mii]] ([[Ω form]])
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| |•Hazard: Poison Floor
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| |•Defeat the main fighter to win<br>•The floor is poisonous<br>•[[Stamina battle]]
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| |{{SSBUMusicLink|Banjo-Kazooie|Vs. Klungo}}
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| *The Giant King Dedede puppet fighter starting off with a Star Rod represents Gruntilda, a large witch who uses magical attacks. The puppet fighter's frequent shielding references Gruntilda using a force field to protect herself during the final phases of the boss battle in ''Banjo-Kazooie''.
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| *The three Giant Dr. Mario puppet fighters represents Gruntilda's scientist assistant, Klungo, who is battled three times in ''Banjo-Tooie''. The puppet fighters' frequent use of [[Megavitamins]] references Klungo attacking by throwing potions.
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| *The stage represents the top of Gruntilda's Lair, where Gruntilda is battled in ''Banjo-Kazooie''.
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| *The Smash Balls enabled in this Spirit Battle references Banjo & Kazooie's Final Smash, [[The Mighty Jinjonator]] who was summoned during the boss battle to defeat Gruntilda in ''Banjo-Kazooie''.
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| :--[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam#top|talk]]) 13:49, March 1, 2020 (EST)
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| ::I'm glad you have some approval of my ideas.
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| ::I'd also like to take a slight step back and discuss Spirit Battle placements in WoL because before I started the editing, someone first used the Spirit Battle placement references in the Sacred Land with Urbosa, Impa, and Saria. The reason I went along with that was because there was a bit of context to their placement in the WoL based on their location. I felt that certain Spirit Battles, such as Trace's Spirit Battle in Outer Space needed a bit of context with their placement because some of it hardly draws parallels to their source material. That's why I elected to say the stage represented Trace's Spirit Battle being located on a fiery sun, even though it does seem like speculation on my part.[[User:Autismo555|Autismo555]] ([[User talk:Autismo555|talk]]) 18:43, April 3, 2020 (EDT)
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| I've come back after all this time to ask your permission to alter the Spirit Battle inspirations for the ''Metroid'' series because you have oversaw the edits for that column.
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| On a related note, I know you're not fond of my previous edits regarding the Spirit Battle placements because they are speculations, but I can't guarantee someone else won't come along to add that in the column.[[User:Autismo555|Autismo555]] ([[User talk:Autismo555|talk]]) 09:57, May 8, 2020 (EDT)
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| :Well, I knew this would happen sooner or later. I'm honestly not sure what else there is to add to the ''Metroid'' series, since the inspiration is phrased rather concisely and currently is pretty accurate in describing how the spirit battles represent the ''Metroid'' series. I suppose there's nothing to stop you from editing that page, but since I know the ''Metroid'' series like the back of my hand, I may be watching the page like a hawk and swoop in if I find that there's any changes that I disagree with. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam#top|talk]]) 16:52, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::Thank you. I hope you don't mind some of the Spirit Battle placements I'll add to the columns.[[User:Autismo555|Autismo555]] ([[User talk:Autismo555|talk]]) 09:54, May 15, 2020 (EDT)
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| == I'm sorry ==
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| Hey, Sorry for putting words in Sakurai's mouth. I think I'm taking the sources too seriously, however there is something wrong with my edits: Misconceptions, but everyone makes mistakes like this sometimes. I'll remember that there is only ONE case of a character replacing another one, like [[Lucas]] replacing [[Ness]] in ''Melee'', and Ridley was no way heavily considered for ''Brawl''. I won't do this again.
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| [[Special:Contributions/81.110.120.177|81.110.120.177]] 01:16, August 23, 2021 (EDT)
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| [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:50.5.129.75&oldid=1679744 Edits like this] just to yell at a clear bad faith user/IP is unacceptable, all you're doing is wasting your time and giving them needless attention that they're probably after. As the policy states, when dealing with vandals and other bad faith users, exert the minimum effort necessary to handle them and do so quietly, i.e. just revert them and alert an admin. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:06, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
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| :I apologize if I was acting out of line. Had this been an ordinary vandal or troll, I would not have responded at all, as per SW:QVD.
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| :However, while my tone was certainly stern, I carefully worded my message to avoid sounding like I was "yelling", harsh, or overly antagonistic towards this editor. My goal was to help, not to hurt. Because despite their repeatedly poor behavior, I do not believe that this particular editor is a vandal or an attention-seeking troll; I still believe in good faith that they sincerely think they're making good, constructive edits and are understandably getting angry and frustrated when those edits are undone. And it seems to me that you must also believe this to an extent, because I don't see why you would give a repeat offender "bad-faith user" a mere six-month block (instead of indefinite) unless you believed that there was hope that they could still change their behavior for the better.
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| :I wanted this editor to know that they do not have an upstanding reputation, and it is up to them to change that. I wanted them to know that there is no reason to obsess over the wording they are so hyper-focused on, and that they are better off spending their time doing something else rather than making the same mistake over and over. I wanted them to know that it's okay to just let go and move on with their life. Because I would want someone to tell me this if I needed to hear it, and so I'd do the same for someone else.
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| :And if they chose to shun my message, ignore the opportunity for healthy self-reflection, and continue down their current path... well, then I would have known that I at least tried to get through to them, and that's all I could do. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam#top|talk]]) 17:42, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::IPs don't get indefinite blocks as IPs can change, resulting in someone who had never done anything on the wiki being unable to ever do anything through no fault of their own. They had just come off of a 3 month block, 6 month is next in line; hopefully long enough for them to either mature or forget about targeting this wiki. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 18:02, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::I see. Thank you for explaining that. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam#top|talk]]) 18:16, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::This person has been making the same clearly dumb edits with inflammatory edit summaries between multiple different IPs after several bans, with no other positive contributions, they have long since passed the line of reasonably assumable good faith. And the point of my message isn't about you being "overly harsh" or "antagonistic", it's about not wasting your time with bad faith users and not give them the attention they're seeking. Regarding not permabanning the IP, what Canvas said is right, IPs should never be permabanned (this person jumping between different IPs already demonstrates why permabanning them is a bad idea), and six months is about the longest they should be banned for, with a year being the absolute max for particularly severe cases. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:46, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::Yes, I'm well aware of this person's history. I've even been the target of their insults on multiple occasions, simply for reverting their edits and explaining in a calm, professional tone why I did so. And I honestly doubt that if they'll learn their lesson if they haven't already. But I still see their edits as hyper-focusing on a single issue that is probably born out of a misplaced desire to use "correct" terminology, instead of trolling or vandalism. If that's true, then I can at least understand where this editor may be coming from, since I too have a tendency of hyper-focusing on smaller issues, such as specific terminology. And if I'm focused on something I shouldn't be, then I may need someone to tell me to snap out of it.
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| :::Case in point. Here, I focused more on you telling me that yelling at another user is unacceptable, since that wording came across less as "hey, don't bother wasting your time, that's why we have a policy against it" and more as "you're in big trouble for flaming" (hence why I felt the need to defend myself as acting in good faith), rather than focusing on your intended message.
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| :::But you're right, I'm probably just wasting my time trying to speak to someone who doesn't want to listen. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam#top|talk]]) 19:33, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::"''But I still see their edits as hyper-focusing on a single issue that is probably born out of a misplaced desire to use "correct" terminology, instead of trolling or vandalism.''"
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| ::::If the person had a genuine interest in helping the wiki and really was just hyper-focused on this one dumb term absolutely no one else uses, then they would have took this issue to the talk pages, stopped after their first block, and/or make other positive contributions in the meantime, instead of flagrantly ignoring the reversions and their constant blocks, jumping on different IPs to evade their bans (to the point of forcing us to do a [[Special:Contributions/174.207.0.0/16|range block]]), and making inflammatory edit summaries all the while. Assume good faith and all, but there's a point where you have to recognize a troll is a troll. Also generally it's never productive anyway for users to leave a talk page message to someone that was blocked, if something needs to be said to them about their behavior the admins will do so. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:35, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
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