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I have email notifications turned on for whenever someone edits my talkpage, so even if I'm not around, I will be notified and will come around to check it out. You can also find me on Discord, where I go by the same name and have an avi of R.O.B. holding a Cacodemon plushie. If it's urgent and I'm not on here nor on the Discord, you can try messaging me on my [https://twitter.com/TheOmegaTyrant Twitter], my [http://www.youtube.com/user/OmegaTyrant4792 Youtube], and my [https://xx.reddit.com/user/OmegaTyrant/ reddit account]. You can also private message me on Discord, on those latter three accounts, and on email, if you want to speak to me privately for whatever reason.
I will brawl anyone that challenges me, regardless of their skill level. If you want to Brawl me, contact me here or on the IRC. If you wish, you can also ask me for my Wii code (to exchange vault data). If you do brawl me, be sure to have tourney rules set. I'm also on the IRC everyday and due to my inconsistent sleeping patterns, you can find me on there in the most unusual of hours.


I play Ultimate with anyone that challenges me, regardless of their skill level, as long as your internet connection is decent and you don't whine when you lose. If you want to play me, contact me here or on one of the other suggested contact methods.
== A plea of forgiveness ==
For whatever trouble [[User:Avengingbandit|AB]] has caused, please take note he is regretting his actions. I had a long talk with him, but while we gave him ideas of redemption, he still failed to find the courage to face you. I am grievly sorry for his rude behavior and lack of sensitivity towards others. Hopefully he no longer thinks that stuff like this is a joke. This was almost sickening to write, as I told him he should do it. Still despite being told not to, I felt minorly guilty for this, even though I had nothing to do with it. Since AB wouldn't ask forgiveness on his own, I had to do it. You were offended by his misdeed but I needed to do this. It was too eventful to avoid conferentation and all I can do is say what AB can't in order to forget this and move on. He is ashamed and is more then is adverage sorry on such topics. He begs for forgiveness and will do anything to make up for it. He sees his wrongings, but all I can hope for is that this is the end of it.[[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]]  [[File:CharizardHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 23:36, 17 January 2012 (EST)


== Two things ==
==Admins==
Are there enough admins on this wiki? [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 12:33, 19 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
:Currently, I would say yes, though I would support any admin-capable user requesting adminship. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:52, 19 January 2012 (EST)
::Admin-capable, I don't know if I am, am I? What is it like to be an admin? [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 13:05, 19 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
:::It's a bit too soon to be looking for adminship now. You should stay around a bit longer, and get involved in community discussions. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  13:13, 19 January 2012 (EST)
::::How much longer, a month or two? [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 13:22, 19 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
:::::I believe all our current admins were around for at least half a year before requesting adminship. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 13:36, 19 January 2012 (EST)
::::::I made an account on January, so I have to wait until June? [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 13:51, 19 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
::::::I was admin in less than three months, with a three week hiatus in the middle of it :p <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:56, 19 January 2012 (EST)
::::::Is that so, well I guess I can wait until Feb. [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 15:07, 19 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
:::::::Your lack of understanding of the position (including that there is a timeframe that you must meet first) indicates to me that your RfA will not be successful. Just a thought. &ndash; [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 16:00, 22 January 2012 (EST)
::::::::Well it's not a very good thought. [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 16:52, 22 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
:::::::::When would be a good time for me to RfA? [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 22:22, 7 February 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
::::::::::If you need to ask, then you probably are not ready. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 22:35, 7 February 2012 (EST)
:::::::::::Not just yet. [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 22:43, 7 February 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
::::::::::Once you proven yourself competent and capable. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:51, 7 February 2012 (EST)
::::::::::^ and demonstrate why the '''wiki wants you''' to be <s>one of the guys</s> an admin. '''<font face="Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00FFFF">THE</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font color="#FF00FF">AVENGING</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<font color="#FFFF00">BANDIT</font>]]</font>''' 00:03, 8 February 2012 (EST)


(1)Many of my edits are usually erased, why does this keep happening?
== Personal Images ==
(2)Do you have the 3ds version of Smash 4 or the Wii u version? I think I might want to challenge you sometime, but I only have the 3ds version.[[User:Rimigafob|Rimigafob]] ([[User talk:Rimigafob|talk]]) 13:45, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
How do I insert my signature image on the user images? [[User:Marioisawesome118|Marioisawesome118]] [[User talk:Marioisawesome118|FALCON PUNCH!]] [[File:MarioHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 17:05, 19 January 2012 (EST)
:If you edits are getting reverted, you should read the edit summary of the edits reverting yours to see why your edit got reverted. And I have both versions, but as said on my userpage, I really dislike 3DS controls for Smash, so I won't play people on the 3DS version. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 01:35, 11 May 2017 (EDT)
:You'll have to upload a duplicate of the image you use now first, then just add the user image category onto it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:41, 19 January 2012 (EST)
::Does this mean that Marioisawesome118 will have to put his Mario Melee icon into the user images category if he wanted to? [[User:.....|...]][[User talk:.....|..]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Comboed]] 17:46, 19 January 2012 (EST)
:::They will first have to upload a duplicate of it, as the current image in their signature is the one used throughout the Wiki. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:55, 19 January 2012 (EST)
I'm afraid I can't do it. I just can't. [[User:Marioisawesome118|Marioisawesome118]] ([[User talk:Marioisawesome118|talk]]) [[File:MarioHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 14:10, 21 January 2012 (EST)


== Flame Choke ==
== Request to make article ==


Hey, a while back I made [[Ganondorf (SSBB)/Side special|the page]] for Flame Choke in ''Brawl'', but I'm not certain that I got the followups right. My test was time-consuming, but also fairly rudimentary, so I am not sure if all of it is accurate. I'm under the impression that you are familiar with Ganon in ''Brawl''. Would you mind checking it out when you get the chance? <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 17:19, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
Can I make an article called Vertical endurance? I felt like I was being useless on the Wiki and have earned disrespect. <font face="Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00BFBF">'''THE'''</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font color="#BF00BF">'''AVENGING'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<font color="#BFBF00">'''BANDIT'''</font>]]</font> 22:26, 22 January 2012 (EST)
:I don't quite remember all of the followups off Brawl Flame Choke off the top of my head, but I do noticed a lot of these are wrong. For example, a lot of characters get up too fast for d-tilt to hit, like Falco, Sheik, Lucario, and Ganon himself, while the skinny ones can't be hit with jab either, then Olimar is the only character in the game who gets up slow enough for d-smash to hit (which is still true in Smash 4).
:Just stating the name of the article doesn't help. No, you could just go ahead and make the page, but if you're seeking approval, it would be best to describe what you are exactly talking about. [[Special:Contributions/108.194.146.241|108.194.146.241]] 22:30, 22 January 2012 (EST)
::I wanna hear from OT. <font face="Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00BFBF">'''THE'''</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font color="#BF00BF">'''AVENGING'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<font color="#BFBF00">'''BANDIT'''</font>]]</font> 22:31, 22 January 2012 (EST)
:::As I said previously, it would better help if you described exactly what this vertical endurance is. If it's reducing aerial momentum after being launched, it is already on the [[Momentum canceling#Vertical momentum canceling|momentum canceling]] page. If it is not, please explain what vertical endurance is. [[Special:Contributions/108.194.146.241|108.194.146.241]] 22:35, 22 January 2012 (EST)
::::It's how much damage a character can take before getting KO'd past the upper blast line (not including scrolling stages)). Anyways, OT, can I make the article? <font face="Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00BFBF">'''THE'''</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font color="#BF00BF">'''AVENGING'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<font color="#BFBF00">'''BANDIT'''</font>]]</font> 22:39, 22 January 2012 (EST)
:::::That sort of thing is already on the list, in case you actually cared to read it. [[Special:Contributions/108.194.146.241|108.194.146.241]] 23:21, 22 January 2012 (EST)
:::::That is already on the momentum cancelling article, which you would see if you actually bothered to read something for once. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 05:51, 23 January 2012 (EST)
::::::You can't blame me for not reading it if there's 2,070 articles on this wiki (a number I got from the main page). <font face="Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00BFBF">'''THE'''</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font color="#BF00BF">'''AVENGING'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<font color="#BFBF00">'''BANDIT'''</font>]]</font> 07:20, 23 January 2012 (EST)
:::::::I can blame you when the IP <b>linked you to the article</b>. Seriously, fucking read things for once. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 07:29, 23 January 2012 (EST)
::::::::Oh sure, be disrespectful to the person who wanted to make a worthy contribution. Look you cunt, if you don't have anything nice to say, SHUT THE FUCK UP!! Thanks. <font face="Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00BFBF">'''THE'''</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font color="#BF00BF">'''AVENGING'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<font color="#BFBF00">'''BANDIT'''</font>]]</font> 07:46, 23 January 2012 (EST)
:::::::::And I should respect your laziness to read why? The IP linked you to an article containing what you were talking about, and instead of reading the article like a responsible contributor to see if your article idea was already covered, you just kept pressing on about your article, completely ignoring the IP out of your own laziness to read.


:There should be a list somewhere on Smashboards listing the guaranteed Flame Choke followups. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:38, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::Also, [[SW:NPA]]. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 07:57, 23 January 2012 (EST)


==''Brawl'' matchups==
==Kirby's Final Cutter in ''Brawl''==
First off, congrats on your upcoming marriage! You've certainly done well, haven't you?


Second off, I need your help involving [[Forum:Removing matchups from character pages|this forum]]. As someone who I definitely know was heavily invested in ''Brawl's'' metagame to the very end, probably moreso than anyone else on the Wiki, is the [[Character_matchup_(SSBB)|matchup chart for ''Brawl'']] still relatively accurate, given the relative stagnancy of the metagame since its publication, or is it pretty out-of-date?
It means that the meteor smash hitboxes of Kirby's Final Cutter no longer disappears after a short while like it did in ''Melee''. [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 14:09, 24 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
:That's still not very descriptive. If you're saying the entirety of Brawl Final Cutter has a meteor smash hitbox, then it's very obviously wrong. If you're saying the drop portion always has a meteor smash hitbox, I'm pretty sure Melee Final Cutter didn't produce different hitboxes after the initial thrust down. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:26, 24 January 2012 (EST)
:::About what you just said "''If you're saying the drop portion always has a meteor smash hitbox''", then yes, that was what I was tring to say, about Brawl. [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 14:40, 24 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
::::And as I said in the latter portion, I don't recall Melee Final Cutter producing different hitboxes after the initial down thrust. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:54, 24 January 2012 (EST)
:::::It produces a stronger meteor smash after the initial down thrust in Melee. [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 15:19, 24 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]


That's all.
In both Melee and Brawl, Final Cutter's meteor smash is not replaced with something else until Kirby lands and the wave is produced. However, in Melee, the meteor smash only lasts for 10 frames (I believe), while in Brawl it seems to last indefinitely. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 15:22, 24 January 2012 (EST)
:So I was right earlier, pretty much. [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 16:31, 24 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]


--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  00:32, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
==AI in ''Melee''==
:Thanks, it is a surprise seeing you here, I thought you disappeared from the wiki a while ago. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:38, 25 June 2017 (EDT)


::Thanks for your input, it's much appreciated.
You don't get me do you? -_- [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 15:11, 25 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHead.png|19px]]
:You said AI stop attacking once a valuable item appears on the lifts in Mushroom Kingdom. AI stop attacking when these items appear regardless. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:13, 25 January 2012 (EST)
::That was what I was trying to say. [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 17:53, 25 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
:::And your example was unnecessary, as it's already mentioned on the page that cpus in Melee stop all fighting when certain items appear. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:00, 25 January 2012 (EST)


::It seems we mostly missed each other back in Summer to Fall of 2016, when I last got back into editing after my departure in early 2015. I never truly disappear from SmashWiki, I just take leaves of absence, whether it's from schoolwork, boredom with ''Smash'', or similar matters. It's a shame you're not as active as you once were, I miss your arse-kicking as an admin, but hey, real life comes first. Thanks for everything you've done.
== Delete image ==
I suggest the typo image should be deleted [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">'''Mario'''</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="blue">'''is'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="yellow">'''awesome'''</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="black">'''118'''</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 18:23, 26 January 2012 (EST)
:OK. First of all, when Omega Tyrant reads this, he will have no idea what you are talking about, since you didn't give an image name of any sort. The comment you made is also unnecessary, as the image is already tagged as a candidate for speedy deletion, and an admin will see it when they get to it. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 18:34, 26 January 2012 (EST)
:@OT I apoligise for replying...I didn't realise you were online. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 18:35, 26 January 2012 (EST)
::I wasn't going to respond soon anyway, as I would have just gotten around to it with it being tagged (as you pointed out), and it didn't require immediate deletion. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:52, 26 January 2012 (EST)
:::I was meant to say Resluts screen, Pain. [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">'''Mario'''</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="blue">'''is'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="yellow">'''awesome'''</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="black">'''118'''</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 20:20, 27 January 2012 (EST)


::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  21:48, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
==Level 9 CPUs==
Do you really think lv. 9 CPUs are impossible? [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] 11:18, 29 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHead.png|19px]]
:Quit bugging OT and read [[SW:TALK]] '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 12:07, 29 January 2012 (EST)
::Shut up! No one asked you! (not you Mr. Anon) [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 15:04, 29 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHead.png|19px]]
:::And [[SW:SIGN]]. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  13:19, 29 January 2012 (EST)
:::Smash Master, Dr. Pain was just trying to be helpful, though perhaps his tone could have been better. Casual discussion like this can be brought to IRC, as talk pages are meant to be for talking to the user about their ''wiki'' activity, or for challenging them to a Brawl. Hope that makes his statement clear. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  15:13, 29 January 2012 (EST)
::::It does now. [[User:Smash Master|Smash Master]] ([[User talk:Smash Master|talk]]) 15:18, 29 January 2012 (EST) [[File:KirbyHead.png|19px]]
:::::Glad we could help. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  15:19, 29 January 2012 (EST)
Does anyone want me to tell my real name? And I sometime suck at versing LV 9 CPU when my bros bugg me and I have three younger bros. Who agrees, having younger sibling is worser then having older siblings [[User:YoshiEggs|YoshiEggs]] ([[User talk:YoshiEggs|talk]]) 18:44, 5 February 2012 (EST)
:No. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:55, 5 February 2012 (EST)
:Fine be like that, I just wondered [[User:YoshiEggs|YoshiEggs]] ([[User talk:YoshiEggs|talk]]) 08:06, 8 February 2012 (EST)


==Legitimacy of set wins==
== Sorry ==
Hi! I was referred to you in the wake of some confusion as to how we are to classify Charliedaking's set against ZeRo at MSM 104, which Charlie won 2-0. To this point, it's been in practice that we add a short sentence detailing the win on ZeRo in the main blurb of any player with a win on ZeRo (Joe Smash is the Xth player to take a set off of ZeRo, doing so at WhereverCon 20XX, etc). We'd normally chalk this down as the 26th player with that win, except this is the first time the win has happened in which ZeRo was ONLY playing his secondaries. The person I was discussing it with listed you as an admin knowledgeable on the competitive scene enough to determine the process for this, specifically:
 
*Do we or do we not count this win as "a win on ZeRo" in the same way as all the others?
*If we do not, what specifically ''do'' we count as "a win on ZeRo," other than entirely subjective reasons or a case-by-case basis?
*Should the more recent/less notable wins on ZeRo even have a place in their blurb outside of ZeRo's name being a part of their list of notable wins? (In response to this specifically, I made [[User:Pespeon/List of players who have taken a set off of ZeRo|a subpage]] that could potentially be used in place of these blurbs, perhaps as some sort of "See also" to ZeRo's page or the pages of any of them.)
 
The discussion in question took place [[Smasher talk:Charliedaking|here]], if you'd like to read through it. Sorry to bother you, but this overall seems like an issue that could use some resolution before we let it keep sliding and we have 50 or 100 pages with sentences about how the player beat ZeRo. Thank you for your time :)
 
[[User:Pespeon|Pespeon]] ([[User talk:Pespeon|talk]]) 05:35, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
:Originally, I wasn't going to comment on here, but when you created the userpage, I was reminded of [[Forum:Smashers that have taken a game off of ZeRo|this failed proposal]]. OT left his thoughts about it on there, too.
:TL;DR: Singling out ZeRo is probably not the best course of action. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 05:46, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
:I echo what I said before on the topic Jamal linked that wins on Zero shouldn't be singled out as something especially special, as there are too many people who have beaten him to have treated it as such, and if we're going to track individual wins and losses in depth, we should be tracking entire records between players so it's not just trivia. As for if we should refer to the win at all on CDK's page as if it was a standard win, no as Zero was explicitly going secondaries to practise them in what was ultimately just a weekly, and no one with common sense would consider such a win with the usual weight. Not to mention that rating systems like the PGR don't count weeklies in their system as it is. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:53, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
 
== For Glory matchmaking ==
 
Sakurai did mention it, in the April 2014 Direct. But I mean, I guess it's irrelevant now. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 06:58, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:Yea, I was just about to mention that. It's specifically [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xUWnQu2Grs#t=768s here]. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 11:50, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
 
== SSBU character pages ==
 
We added notice templates to all SSBU character pages explaining not to add data values as they are subject to change. And as per your proposal, we removed specefic data claims (like specific amounts of damage % and frames); however, we did not know if that also meant all mentions of general buffs or nerfs should be removed (like just generally saying Mario's fireballs do more damage, as a made up example).
 
Also, as per [[SmashWiki is not speculative]], shouldn't all the SSBU character pages be semi-protected? "''Major articles about unreleased content (such as character articles) will be immediately semi-protected until release to prevent speculation.''" And one more thing, shouldn't SSBU's [[Alternate costume (SSBU)|alternate costumes]] page be semi-protected too since all the other ones are? Thank you. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 05:02, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
 
== Vandal ==
Derek has been violating 1RV multiple times, to the point where I'm doing it myself. He's also been making edits without a summary, causing me and Aidan to revert his edits. I'm literally done dealing with his nonsense. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 11:57, 13 February 2019 (EST)
 
== Infobox for sponsor articles. ==
 
Hello, I talked about this draft to Disaster Flare. I noticed [[:Category:Sponsors|sponsor articles]] does not have an infobox, so I decided to draft one: [[User:Derekblue1/Template:Infobox Team|Template:Infobox Team]]. I was wondering if you would like to check my draft, and I'm happy if you decide to edit to improve the template if necessary. [[File:Derekblue1SigHead1.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">'''Derekblue1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">(talk)</span>]] [[File:Derekblue1SigHead2.png|20px|link=]] 07:10, April 22, 2020 (EDT)
:Tyrant is only semi active so he probably won't respond. If you want my opinion though it looks fine. If you want opinions from other admins try asking Aidanzapunk or Serpent King because they're the most active after Flare. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<span style="font-size:12pt"><font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font></span>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font>]]'''</span> 07:51, April 22, 2020 (EDT)
::Whoops, my bad 😬 I was meant to reply to you. I do not why I thought your names are similar. Thank you for sharing your opinion. [[File:Derekblue1SigHead1.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">'''Derekblue1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">(talk)</span>]] [[File:Derekblue1SigHead2.png|20px|link=]] 09:59, April 22, 2020 (EDT)
 
== Look. ==
 
I'm very sorry for making disruptive edits here, and for saying a very snarky and snipey edit summary towards you.
 
...
 
Will you forgive me? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:SafariKid2|SafariKid2]] ([[User talk:SafariKid2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SafariKid2|contribs]]) 18:13, March 4, 2021 (EST)</small>
:Just don't that shit and listen from now on when an admin tells you to knock something off, and it'll be fine. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:37, March 4, 2021 (EST)
 
Just because when someone apologizes, doesn’t mean you have to go and swear at them a**hole! [[Special:Contributions/174.242.69.30|174.242.69.30]] 01:09, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
 
== Do you know about any info for the 2nd tier list discussion? ==
 
Since you're both an admin here and an active competitive player, do you know if and when the 2nd tier list discussion would start? I have an idea for how the tier lists could be averaged: each tier placement is worth however many points the ranking is, then the add up the points from each tier list, with the final aggregated list being in reverse order of how many points each character has. As for getting the tier numbers such as S, A, etc, with 86 slots on the character select screen, plus 5 for using just Pyra/Mythra or one Pokemon Trainer pokemon, there are 91 spots on the tier list, enough to have exactly 13 characters per tier if there are 7 tiers. I asked Toomai last month with the same suggestions, but he hasn't replied to it, so I'm wondering if you know anything about when the actual discussion would start, if it would be closed to non-vote suggestions like the last one, or my suggestion is reasonable. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 20:45, March 18, 2021 (EDT)
:I'm not involved with whatever Toomai is planning, so I'm just as much in the dark about it as everyone else is. For what you suggested, I will say though that having the same amount of characters in every tier isn't how tiers are supposed to work; the purpose of tiers are to represent where the relative gaps in viability are, rather than as a means to just arbitrarily organize each character. There is no real limit to the amount of characters that could appropriately go into the same tier, you could really have everyone in one tier if they were all around the same viability, and to arbitrary limit how many characters go into each tier is just misrepresenting how viable each character is (same reason the "top 5/top 10/top whatever" tiers that are popular in personal tier lists are really stupid and is a trend that should die). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:10, March 18, 2021 (EDT)
 
== Clone charts ==
 
I was wondering if you were planning on updating [[User:Omega Tyrant/Clone charts|your clone charts]] for ''Ultimate'' (and possibly ''Smash 4''). <span style="font-family:Formata Regular">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 21:51, March 18, 2021 (EDT)
:Probably not, while I did things a bit differently than how Toomai handled his "cloneosity" page and so it wouldn't be entirely redundant (namely considering how the moves function and the characters' movement/physics), it would ultimately probably come to the same conclusions on how to categorize each clone even if the percentages differ, and I'm not really interested in arguing over minute details, especially when my method is more open to interpretation than Toomai's and so would attract more argumentation. Wiki arguments, especially of the pointless variety, played a large part in burning me out long ago and leading to the subsequent inactivity, so whenever I've been around since the post-Smash 4 era I tended to avoid arguments when I can.  <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:09, March 18, 2021 (EDT)
 
== Whoops. ==
 
Nope, I didn't have a backup nor a draft. I wasn't aware I'd need to do that. The best I have are a very limited number of snippets from the various pages I pranked.
 
HOWEVER, as long as that imgur album exists, I could, in theory, replicate it as long as I have the page histories to reference, but it would be extremely tedious.
 
[[User:TotallyNotAutomated|TotallyNotAutomated]] ([[User talk:TotallyNotAutomated|talk]]) 23:35, April 1, 2021 (EDT)
:It's not necessary, so it's not something you need to do, it just would be something nice to have to look back on. It's up to you if you want to recreate a backup in your user space. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:57, April 1, 2021 (EDT)
::I could, and I want to, but I'd have to work on it over the span of a few weeks instead of crunching it out in under a day in order not to burn myself out. Not to mention I'd need help from the admins because the prank included editing templates. Yeah.
::Oh, and the Donkey Kong page wasn't the only one I pranked. Ignoring a bunch of smaller edits to keep things consistent around the wiki, the other big articles hit were the Donkey Kong universe article and the list of Donkey Kong music in SSBU. Mostly it was just me adding music though. Funny thing, every music I claimed was a new remix actually had a link to a remix, and I credited the creators of the remixes in the "Composition & Arrangements" section.
::Anyway, I'll have to set aside some time to do it. Though looking at my Rock Howard page, don't be surprised if it takes a long time or just doesn't finish. [[User:TotallyNotAutomated|TotallyNotAutomated]] ([[User talk:TotallyNotAutomated|talk]]) 00:05, April 2, 2021 (EDT)
 
== Do you remember when Zelda was revealed for Melee? ==
 
Since Zelda was the only starter character who wasn't revealed at E3 2001, I'm curious about when she was actually revealed. I put in her page regular and melee pages that she was unofficially revealed when the box art was since I couldn't find any other melee marketing videos, but I don't know for certain since I wasn't born when melee came out. Since you were born 10 years before melee's release, was there a Nintendo magazine that revealed Zelda, or is the exact date and/or method of her reveal a complete mystery? [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 19:50, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
 
== Am I allowed to make a fake Smash moveset about you? ==
 
Am I allowed to make a fake Smash moveset about you? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:SmashBros.PikachuUltimate|SmashBros.PikachuUltimate]] ([[User talk:SmashBros.PikachuUltimate|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SmashBros.PikachuUltimate|contribs]]) 19:41, September 10, 2021 (EDT)</small>
:You have already been warned about probation, and currently over 80% of your edits have been to your user and talk page, while the few attempts at constructive edits have not been very good. I strongly suggest you not focus on more userspace content at this time, or you'll find yourself on a fast track to probation. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:54, September 10, 2021 (EDT)
 
== Brawl zss shield pressure ==
 
I just saw you reversed my edit and asked ask how I was shield pressuring with Plasma Whip. In ''Brawl'', Plasma Whip is -10 on shield if you sweetspot it which along with the
good shield pushback makes it good for spacing and pressuring. She also has other shield pressuring options with down smash (which is -4) and her back aerial. The reason I changed those few things was because it said her defensive game is poor "due to lacking safe options on shield". From an objective point of view, I don't believe that part is true since she has a good amount of moves that are safe on shield in a game where the amount of moves that are safe on shield is very minimal. This isn't me trying to get the edit into the page, I just wanted to explain my thought process for making that edit. [[User:SacredFire37|SacredFire37]] ([[User talk:SacredFire37|talk]]) 14:11, September 18, 2021 (EDT)
:It's Brawl, you're not "shield pressuring" anyone unless you're Meta Knight. Moves that can be safe on shield != shield pressure. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:21, September 20, 2021 (EDT)
::Personally I disagree, but I'll leave it the way it is since my stance is not objective. [[User:SacredFire37|SacredFire37]] ([[User talk:SacredFire37|talk]]) 16:14, September 29, 2021 (EDT)
:::Brawl shields are very durable, have the lowest commitment of any Smash game, and every viable character has very good OoS options or at worst adequate (probably the worst of such characters, Snake, can still brutally punish nearly anything that's worse than -10 on shield with f-tilt and worse than -11 with u-tilt, while also having jab to punish close stuff that's worse than -8), shield pressure doesn't exist in the game without Mach Tornado and its ridiculous damage + longevity + safety. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:06, September 29, 2021 (EDT)
::::True, but what about when taking spacing and shield pushback into account? Plasma Whip's long range and shield pushback make it difficult to punish if if it used correctly as a spacing tool (Salem would down smash and Plasma Whip all the time on shield and the opponent would barely ever be able to punish it). I definitely agree that Meta Knight has the best shield pressure with Mach Tornado, spaced f tilt and fair, etc. I just don't think he's the only one who CAN shield pressure despite the strong shields and low shieldstun. But again, this is just my take on it and even if shield pressure doesn't exist in Brawl, I consider the part that says zss lacks safe options on shield to be inaccurate (I might be biased since I main zss, but I have quite a bit of experience with her and this is what I've noticed). A bit of a sidetrack but did the shields in Brawl have slow regeneration and/or fast depletion or am I thinking of another game? [[User:SacredFire37|SacredFire]] ([[User talk:SacredFire37|talk]]). 10:44, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Again, having moves that can be safe on shield '''does not''' equal shield pressure, you are never forcing people to stay in shield for long nor actually threatening shields in Brawl when shield damage is pitiful and characters have plenty good options OoS, which is why non-Mach Tornado shield pokes and shield breaks are so much less common than they are in Ult or even Smash 4. Taking a look at your age and userpage, I'm highly skeptical that you ever actually played Brawl competitively and so don't think you're really speaking here with any real worthwhile experience in the game. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:44, October 1, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Look, I'm not here to argue, I already said that I wasn't going to put my edit there. I just wanted to explain my thought process as to why I made that edit. As for my experience in the game, you're correct that I don't have a ton of experience in the game, mostly just online and locals near me, but I definitely have some experience playing the game. Can we just agree to disagree and move on? [[User:SacredFire37|SacredFire]] ([[User talk:SacredFire37|talk]]). 15:20, October 1, 2021 (EDT)
:::::::"''Look, I'm not here to argue, I already said that I wasn't going to put my edit there.''"
 
:::::::But then you come here in the first place and are still replying...
 
:::::::"''As for my experience in the game, you're correct that I don't have a ton of experience in the game''"
 
:::::::Ok, so you admit you're out of your depth here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:06, October 1, 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::I'm replying to clear up any misunderstanding that may have arisen. But yes, I did get ahead of myself. [[User:SacredFire37|SacredFire]] ([[User talk:SacredFire37|talk]]). 17:11, October 1, 2021 (EDT)
 
== Sora leak/rumor dispute ==
 
[https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=List_of_leaks&diff=1625870&oldid=1624548 There is currently a dispute going on about whether the Sora leak/rumor could be a coincidence] [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=List_of_leaks&diff=prev&oldid=1628826 because of a lack of info], which would be a valid complaint if it weren't for the circumstances regarding Sora being the last character and the leaker's occupation making this the only thing they could leak (I went over these in both pages talk pages). I was told that [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_leaks&diff=1628960&oldid=1628947 any admin would tell me that coincidences shouldn't go on the leaks page], but [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=List_of_leaks&diff=next&oldid=1623617 since you said there shouldn't be a dispute if it was 100% right], I'm asking you, as an admin who has had some say in this situation in the past, if this should simply be brushed off as a coincidence, taken as fact, or put on both pages like with Vergeben and Gemastu. [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 16:44, October 17, 2021 (EDT)
 
== May you unprotect [[Mishima Dojo]] please? ==
 
For some reason it's indefinitely protected for only extended confirmed users, despite the reason being high traffic due to Kazuya's recent release at the time. I don't plan on editing it right now, but the permanent protection seems to be either arbitrary or a mistake. [[Special:Contributions/157.242.208.122|157.242.208.122]] 02:15, November 13, 2021 (EST)
:I agree the page shouldn't still be protected and really anything more than a month was excessive, the protection has been removed. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:28, November 13, 2021 (EST)
 
== The ban of [https://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Contributions/74.75.9.45 74.75.9.45] ==
 
This IP is not only a serial vandal, but is also responsible for a total of 6 sockpuppet accounts (those [https://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Log/block blocked] on 26/03/22), 2 of which themselves have a significant number of vandal edits on them, and the rest presumably would have been used for the same purpose had they not almost instantly been blocked by Porple. 1 week for all of this really doesn't seem like enough. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 21:34, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
:I would also like to bring up what I mentioned on the noticeboard, that being that Abigblueworld (and in turn 74.75.9.45) is a serial vandal across multiple wikis. They've been permablocked on not just Wikipedia but all of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abigblueworld MediaWiki] (with the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.75.9.45 IP] being blocked for shorter), Miraheze [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/-abigblueworld-] [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Abigblueworldstikes], and blocked or deactivated on various Fandom wikis for behavior similar to what we experienced. I agree that 1 week is too short regardless of if we look at on-wiki actions or their repeat history off-wiki. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 22:24, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
::I don't have anything else to add, but I must point out that I also protest the short length of this block, as a user with such a history is almost guaranteed to return to the wiki to vandalise. I know we shouldn't permablock IPs but we stand to gain nothing (and may even suffer detriment) by being so lenient for such severe transgressions. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] the 🦊[[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry''']]🐺. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 00:10, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
 
Someone just pinged the admins that there was an IP vandal without any added context and they were treated as any random IP vandal with no immediately apparent history on their IP. I don't need three people chiding "the block length is too short!" like I wouldn't have blocked longer if I was aware of the IP's history, your comment BV especially added nothing here. Just link the shit they're connected to that an admin may not be aware of, especially off-wiki shit no one here will reasonably be expected to keep track of, it's hard enough as is to keep tabs of which IPs are connected to other troublesome IPs and accounts on just this wiki. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:46, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
:It should be noted that [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=SmashWiki%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=1671175&oldid=1668874 the Admin noticeboard] has had 4 different people providing all this info and begging for the IP to be blocked since Friday. I suppose people assumed that that'd be enough to get the attention of an administrator. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 09:21, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
::I did not see the admin noticeboard and I rarely check it as I'm rarely browsing the wiki at this time, like I said before in the Discord you guys should just ping the admins there when something urgent comes up, that guarantees a fast response when an admin will nearly always be around there. Also here is the [https://discord.com/channels/186707873789640705/186708155873492993/958171441252155462 ping message] about this IP, it was just a ping and a link to the IP with no mention of anything else about them, you can't expect someone to magically know about crucial context when it's not provided. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:53, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::As the one who pinged, I should clear it up. I had no idea that the user was a recurring problem. I just saw Recent Changes being filled with a vandal and pinged because no one was online to take care of it. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 12:59, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
::::I don't think admins should rely on pings alone. They're usually less descriptive and, like in this case, may leave out important information. Discord messages, by the very nature of Discord itself, tend to be short and lacking in detail. Furthermore, the admin noticeboard collects all of these reports together, making it easier for admins to see all the reported details about a vandal in one place, while on Discord these reports will be sporadic, and may need to be tracked down in order to paint a full picture of what a particular vandal is doing.
 
::::If admins aren't checking the admin noticeboard, something should probably be done to encourage them to do so, especially since not all wiki users are even on the Discord, such as myself and Canvas. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 13:14, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::::You can very much supply farther info in Discord messages, and people have done so plenty of times before, you are not forced to make Discord messages "short and lacking in detail". Additionally by its nature, Discord is always going to be much more immediate in response; people generally keep it open when they have online access and the ping will immediately notify them that something is up, while you won't see any new post in admin noticeboard until you actually check it or happen to notice an edit there by checking recent changes. Discord obsoletes the admin noticeboard for notifying about urgent matters, it's going to always lead to faster response time even if all the admins were frequently refreshing the recent changes, and it's not unreasonable for admins to not be spending their time keeping an eye on the admin noticeboard for vandals when anything important enough typically gets brought up to them in Discord (especially if they're just too busy to spend their time browsing the wiki, and when the wiki is ultimately all volunteer work).
 
:::::"''especially since not all wiki users are even on the Discord, such as myself and Canvas.''"
 
:::::This is irrelevant, most of the active users are active on Discord to notify admins, including BV and Sam among the people here complaining about this, far more than enough to notify admins when something is up, and I know you use Discord to message the admins to get around your ban on the SmashWiki server, so you can't tell me you don't use Discord.  <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:39, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
::::::Optimistically, Discord messages could in theory be used in such a way, but my point is that they generally aren't. Social media platforms can never truly make the wiki's built in features obsolete, because everyone who uses the wiki has access to these features, while it is unreasonable to expect everyone who is capable of spotting vandalism on the wiki to use external social media platforms instead. And as I mentioned, the noticeboard collates all the reports made about a vandal together, which Discord does not, making it more useful for determining what the punishment for a vandal should be. The Discord server can be used in complement with the noticeboard, but should not be treated as a replacement for it, and admins should be willing to check the noticeboard (in my opinion it should notify all admins in the same way talk page notifications work, but that's not likely to happen, so the page should at least be on every admin's watchlist).
 
::::::<s>I'm going to ignore your implication that I am somehow circumventing bans because there are 2 admins who are actually willing to talk to me in Discord DMs.</s> ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 15:09, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
 
::::::<small>(edit conflict)</small>This might be a little off-topic but is a genuine question, wouldn't a page as important as the admin noticeboard be on every admin's watchlist by default or have a notice like talk page posts do? It wasn't bad at the beginning, but it was still enough to report though it was seemingly ignored. If they got even a short ban at the start, then it would've become clear that they are sockpuppeting and they ban would escalate from there. Instead it took 3 days for the IP to be blocked at all and here we are. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 15:15, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::::::As far as I know, having a notice (like talk pages) for a not-user-talk-page page is impossible. It could be that there is an extension out there for it, but as of right now, it's not like this is a switch that can just be flipped on. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 15:32, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
 
:::::::''"Discord messages could in theory be used in such a way, but my point is that they generally aren't''"
 
:::::::They can be and they are, there is no "they generally aren't".
 
:::::::"''Social media platforms can never truly make the wiki's built in features obsolete''"
 
:::::::Technology advances, old tech becomes obsolete, it's not the 2000s anymore where the only means of communication off the wiki was email and cumbersome IRC that only a dozen or less wiki users actually used. Even then, say all six of the current admins here check the noticeboard every two hours with no sleep or time away doing anything else, an already clearly unreasonable amount of time to expect admins to devote to the noticeboard; that's at least 12 hours every day that a vandal report will not be noticed and the vandal will be able to run amok, whereas if you just ping the admins in Discord as soon as you notice a vandal, an admin can see that vandal in minutes as long as at least one admin is around. That is obsolesce for the purpose of reporting vandals.
 
:::::::"''while it is unreasonable to expect everyone who is capable of spotting vandalism on the wiki to use external social media platforms instead''"
 
:::::::Most people here already use it, and it is not unreasonable to just ping the admins for something when you need an immediate response, when it already has been explained how it is going to be always much faster than hoping someone refreshes the noticeboard. And those that don't should really get a Discord account even if they don't want to socialize, when communication about any wiki matters is always going to be much faster through it. Most wiki matters are already discussed there that don't require more thorough discussion.
 
:::::::"''And as I mentioned, the noticeboard collates all the reports made about a vandal together, which Discord does not''"
 
:::::::Already went through how Discord does not inherently prevent this, but you also know if you just report a vandal in Discord as soon as you see them and so they can be blocked immediately, they won't be able to build up any rapport.
 
:::::::"''making it more useful for determining what the punishment for a vandal should be''"
 
:::::::Another thing is I do not see why you and others are treating the block length of an IP vandal as such a big deal. Worst case scenario, they immediately vandalize upon their block wearing off... and then they're just reverted and blocked again for longer, with nothing worse for wear. In over the decade I've had adminship here, I never seen anyone before raise a complaint that an IP's block length was ''too short''.
 
:::::::"''in my opinion it should notify all admins in the same way talk page notifications work, but that's not likely to happen''"
 
:::::::Even if this was done, that requires an admin to open up the wiki, so that still doesn't get the immediate response that Discord allows.
 
:::::::"''so the page should at least be on every admin's watchlist''"
 
:::::::I already do, and the other admins probably do too, it doesn't matter, just pinging the admins is still going to notify much faster than them just happening to check watched pages before a vandal vandalises more.
 
:::::::"''I'm going to ignore your implication that I am somehow circumventing bans because there are 2 admins who are actually willing to talk to me in Discord DMs.''"
 
:::::::There is no implication, it is simply pointing out that you can't claim you're unable to use Discord because of the ban, when you're still capable of messaging the admins. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:51, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
<small>Indent reset</small> I won't argue that Discord is definitely the more convenient and foolproof way to quickly alert an admin to a rampant vandal ruining everyone's day, but that doesn't change the fact that the Wiki does have a reasonably convenient built-in Noticeboard that it promotes as, verbatim, "a page to quickly alert the administrators to issues that need their attention." For reporting clear vandals, [[SW:VANDAL]] does mention a sysop's talk page, and I'll go ahead and update it to include Discord, but if the Noticeboard is simply superseded in its role, we should either reverse that supersession somehow, or formally acknowledge that fact in Wiki policy - because as far as I know (correct me if I'm super blind), up to this point the Wiki has not formally and intuitively promoted social media as a way to report urgent need for admin action. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 17:00, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
:So it seems I may have misinterpreted something Omega Tyrant said. When he said "I know you use Discord to message the admins to get around your ban on the SmashWiki server", I read that as him saying me DMing admins on Discord is circumventing my ban. It appears that's not actually what that meant, so I retract my statement from before. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 17:39, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
 
:It's just common sense, if something needs an immediate response and you have access to something that lets you directly notify someone whose help you need, you should go and utilize it instead of just waiting around for one to log onto the wiki and check a specific page. Notifying via Discord can be mentioned in those pages, but people should not have needed a policy page to spell out and "promote" to them that Discord will get them faster responses, and indeed they haven't; most of the time I am effectively notified by someone pinging the admins on Discord about vandals or another urgent matter, while for whatever reason no one pinged about this specific IP until Cookies did, who was not aware either of their prior history (looking through old messages on Discord I seen NPM post about the IP, but without any context and without any ping, so it got missed).
 
:Also:
 
:"''"a page to quickly alert the administrators to issues that need their attention."''"
 
:This was written years ago, before the SmashWiki Discord server existed, and even then "quickly alert" was never a good word to use here, as there is no inherent "quickness" to waiting until someone checks the page; even back in the IRC days people would often directly notify admins of vandals through it because an instant messenger is always inherently faster.
 
:"''we should either reverse that supersession somehow''"
 
:There's nothing that will "reverse" its obsolesce, nor should that be desired when you can't get any faster response time than what an instant messenger offers. We have more and better tools at our disposal than before to effectively maintain the wiki, and they should not be neglected in favor of sticking to just what the MediaWiki software can offer. There's nothing wrong with posting on the noticeboard as a means of keeping record, but realistically any urgent report should not be without direct notification on Discord, you just can't beat its response time with pure wiki patrolling without having a NEET admin with no life that's content to refresh recent changes 24/7. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:59, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
:Hold up a sec here...Is the problem seriously "Sometimes people use Discord to report vandals instead of the admin board"? Because if so...I mean yah okay it does. The problem being reported gets solved...so what's the big deal here? <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 18:13, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
::I don't intend to egg this conversation on any further; I just mean to say that I don't see any point to discouraging usage of the Noticeboard to alert an Administrator if you aren't on Discord. Plus, in this particular instance, I don't see any reasonable defense for the Noticeboard alerts going completely unnoticed for ''three days straight'' (although I do, in fact, agree that it was silly that it took that long for the situation to reach Discord). Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span><span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|Boss]]. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 18:22, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::The problem isn't that people report vandals on Discord, the problem is that admins apparently aren't checking the noticeboard. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 18:27, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::Look I can't speak for the other admins but if it takes that long to get a response, it can be safely assumed that we are all reasonably busy, and also assumed that the noticeboard has become a flawed system. On the flip side, I work 13-18 hours a day for 5 days a week, and I do have a personal life beyond that, believe it or not. My phone is always on me and discord pings my phone. I can afford to take the time to block a vandal if I get pinged at work, but I can't afford to check the RC every 20 minutes. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 18:28, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
::::That'll be me typing without thinking again. I apologise for the wasted time. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span><span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|Boss]]. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 18:32, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
::::(edit conflict) That's of course understandable. Wiki editing is a hobby, not a job, so obviously we can't expect admins to always be around However sometimes reports go unresolved for days or even weeks. Given that there's pretty much always some point during the day where at least one admin comes onto the wiki to check on things, that still means admins seemingly aren't checking the noticeboard, even when they do have the time to log onto the wiki. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 18:34, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::::Can confirm the noticeboard is flawed with how the inappropriate names there are basically never checked. In theory, I don't think there is a problem whether you report on the noticeboard or Discord. It is up to the admins to check them and depends on if they are busy. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 21:32, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
 
:::::The point is that Discord now exists, all the admins are on there alongside most users, and that relying solely on the noticeboard is a blatantly outdated system that will never get remotely as quick of responses no matter how much it's checked. If something is urgent, '''just ping the damn admins on Discord''', it is not the 2000s anymore, we do not need to just rely on cumbersome MediaWiki tech to maintain the wiki. If someone has the time to make a post on the noticeboard, they're more than capable of typing "@Administrator Hey there's this vandal and they did XYZ <insert link>" in the Discord server (or directly to an admin via DM) and getting a more immediate response.


:::::"''Given that there's pretty much always some point during the day where at least one admin comes onto the wiki to check on things''"
For that outburst. '''<font face="Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00FFFF">THE</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font color="#FF00FF">AVENGING</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<font color="#FFFF00">BANDIT</font>]]</font>''' 22:25, 5 February 2012 (EST)


:::::Just because an admin shows up as online does not mean they're actually browsing the wiki, or if they do something else does not mean they're going to browse the wiki afterward, especially when urgent matters have been getting brought up on the Discord reliably before this one time (often times when you see me do something it's ''because'' someone pinged the admins about something on wiki that required them). I really do not get all this argumentation against just using something better, and it just seems you're being argumentative for the sake of it or a stick in the mud insisting on only using the noticeboard because "that's the way wikis have done it!". And ultimately, something as minor as an IP vandal being given a block that was inadvertently a bit lenient should not have resulted in this big talk page commotion that has 25 posts from 8 different users, it should have been simply left at one post saying "hey this block length of this IP is a bit short, are you aware of XYZ context?" instead of three users jumping in to complain about the block length before I could even respond, while the mention of Discord as an obviously better tool for notification should not be met with such argumentation.
== SSB4 ==
Sorry to bother you, but is [http://www.zeldainformer.com/2012/01/development-on-kid-icarus-uprising-is-complete-sakurai-is-pleased.html this] a valid source for SSB4? (Since I can't edit on the article, I came here to ask you) [[User:BrawlerJC|BrawlerJC]] ([[User talk:BrawlerJC|talk]]) 01:16, 6 February 2012 (EST)
:What information on there is relevant for the SSB4 article? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 01:44, 6 February 2012 (EST)


:::::@Sam: "''I don't intend to egg this conversation on any further; I just mean to say that I don't see any point to discouraging usage of the Noticeboard to alert an Administrator if you aren't on Discord.''"
Read the bottom sentence OT, about his twitter page. But no this isn't a valid resource. Twitter posts can be misleading. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:midnightblue;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:turquoise;font-family:arial black">'''Electric!</font>]] 13:23, 7 February 2012 (EST)


:::::What did I just say to you? "'''There's nothing wrong with posting on the noticeboard as a means of keeping record, but realistically any urgent report should not be without direct notification on Discord'''". That is not "discouraging", it is saying "get with the times and don't ignore the better, more modern tool we have at our disposal".
==User Profile Issue ==
Did you protect my profile along with my Talk page? I can't access it. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:midnightblue;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:turquoise;font-family:arial black">'''Electric!</font>]] 13:27, 7 February 2012 (EST)
:Your userpage was protected, not your talk page. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:39, 7 February 2012 (EST)
::... you said talk page. Never mind. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:midnightblue;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:turquoise;font-family:arial black">'''Electric!</font>]] 18:01, 7 February 2012 (EST)
:::No, read my post again, I said userspace (your userpage and subpages), not talk page. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:00, 7 February 2012 (EST)


:::::"''I don't see any reasonable defense for the Noticeboard alerts going completely unnoticed for three days straight (although I do, in fact, agree that it was silly that it took that long for the situation to reach Discord).''"
All right. Sorry. But could you unprotect it now? I forgot that this is a Wiki. For some reason, I joined this site. Maybe it was Smash Arena. I'm trying to edit the main pages now [[Special:Contributions/LightningBlue]] [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:midnightblue;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:turquoise;font-family:arial black">'''Electric!</font>]] 18:34, 8 February 2012 (EST)


:::::I do not see any "reasonable defense" in not taking a second to just ping the admins if something is really that urgent, you are in the SmashWiki Discord all the time and so could have done so yourself, instead of raising a fuss now after the fact about it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:10, March 29, 2022 (EDT)
== No Offence But... ==


== Wyoming Power Rankings ==
your kinda rude, don't get mad or anything but that time you posted that thing on my talk page I thought it was rude cause im pretty new to this wiki and sometimes I just don't know what to do if I something wrong on this wiki. =(--<span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Yoshi'''</span>]][[User talk:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Eggs'''</span>]]</span> [[File:YoshiEggsSig.gif|19px]]  19:13, 10 February 2012 (EST)
:I suggest you read every single [[Help:Contents|policy]] here before you do any more editing. Then maybe people won't be so "rude". <span style="font-family:Agency FB; font-size:12pt">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="black">'''Blind'''</font>]]</span><span style="font-family: Berlin Sans FB; font-size:12pt">[[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="red">C</font><font color="purple">ol</font>]][[ Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="green">ou</font><font color="seablue">rs</font>]]</span> [[File:Boing.png|50px]] 19:44, 10 February 2012 (EST)
:You do actually realize that user such as OT is trying to help you become a better editor on this wiki. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The Morning]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Sun]] 19:52, 10 February 2012 (EST)


Hey! I saw you were the last to update the Wyoming PR and it was a deletion of the page. I'm a Wyoming PR player and we just released the spring 2022 PR listing. I edited in the label on the PR page, but I can't edit the Wyoming PR page. Hoping to get your help on that! I can provide the list and characters and stuff of course. [[User:SIke|SIke]] ([[User talk:SIke|talk]]) 12:50, August 16, 2022 (EDT)
Oh... ok ok Im sorry don't think it's my fault and for sure im younger than you guys im 10 years old? --<span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Yoshi'''</span>]][[User talk:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Eggs'''</span>]]</span> [[File:YoshiEggsSig.gif|19px]] 21:42, 10 February 2012 (EST)
:The Wyoming PR page was deleted because it was a troll page with an entirely fake PR. If evidence can be provided that this Wyoming PR is legitimate, then the page can be recreated. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:58, August 16, 2022 (EDT)
:I like your signature, YoshiEggs. I think it would be safe to assume the majority of active users here are above the age of ten. By the way, could you please try to use correct grammar and spelling?  [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 21:51, 10 February 2012 (EST)
Ok, well I believe I could prove it with our trueskill page and our last two PR snapshots. And I'll provide our Wyoming
Summit tournament that incorporated most of our scene. https://braacket.com/league/uwo_is_kinda_pog/ranking/5FE609EB-C1A2-41BA-99E1-873E4F28BDB5 https://imgur.com/a/bHvGNX4[[User:SIke|SIke]] ([[User talk:SIke|talk]]) 18:08, August 25, 2022 (EDT)


Oh and here's our twitch if that helps twitch.tv/uwyoesports[[User:SIke|SIke]] ([[User talk:SIke|talk]]) 18:12, August 25, 2022 (EDT)
You violated the Wiki's policies, and as admin, I will inform you when you violated the Wiki's policies. Don't like that? Don't violate in the first place.
:Thank you, that will suffice, the Wyoming PR page is approved for recreation. I can see you aren't autoconfirmed yet and so wouldn't be able to recreate it yourself, but since it has been a week since your first edit, you'll just need to make a few more edits for 10 total edits for your account to be automatically given autoconfirmed status. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:52, August 26, 2022 (EDT)
I appreciate your help! I'll get right on it. [[User:SIke|SIke]] ([[User talk:SIke|talk]]) 17:03, August 27, 2022 (EDT)


== Help ==
And you being 10 years is irrelevant. I'm not going to give you special treatment for it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:33, 11 February 2012 (EST)


Can you make my user page? [[User:CZ2746isback|CZ2746isback]] ([[User talk:CZ2746isback|talk]]) 16:24, September 6, 2022 (EDT)
K! Sorry if im a smash bros fan i've been playing the game ever since I was 5 or 6!<span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Yoshi'''</span>]][[User talk:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Eggs'''</span>]]</span> [[File:YoshiEggsSig.gif|19px]] 09:35, 11 February 2012 (EST)
:Reach [[SW:AUTO|autoconfirmed status]] and you can make the page yourself. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:53, September 6, 2022 (EDT)
::It takes a long time. I want to introduce myself first. [[User:CZ2746isback|CZ2746isback]] ([[User talk:CZ2746isback|talk]]) 17:04, September 6, 2022 (EDT)


== Why is an user that got banned from the wiki also banned from the SmashWiki discord or vice versa? ==
== How About We Just Be Friends? ==


Generally this only applies if you do something serious (such as scamming other users) or if you complain about the ban [[File:Gligar2007sig1.png|25px]][[User:Gligar2007|<span style="color:red;">'''Gligar'''</span>]][[User talk:Gligar2007|<span style="color:blue;">'''2007'''</span>]][[File:Gligar2007sig2.png|25px]] 20:52, September 17, 2022 (EDT)
Im sorry for calling you kinda rude well reading other thing you posted I think your nicer than I thought? P.S. I like your user page pic! <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Yoshi'''</span>]][[User talk:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Eggs'''</span>]]</span> [[File:YoshiEggsSig.gif|19px]] 09:39, 11 February 2012 (EST)
:"Generally this only applies" Not anymore. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:05, September 18, 2022 (EDT)
:NAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW, this post is...  
::Wouldn't this be complicated for many reasons including if an user gets banned from one, '''then joins''' the other without doing anything banworthy? [[File:Gligar2007sig1.png|25px]][[User:Gligar2007|<span style="color:red;">'''Gligar'''</span>]][[User talk:Gligar2007|<span style="color:blue;">'''2007'''</span>]][[File:Gligar2007sig2.png|25px]] 09:16, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
:::If you got a serious ban on one, then that's doing something banworthy. Also format your talk page posts properly, you should know how to by now. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:26, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
::::What constitutes a '''serious ban'''? [[File:Gligar2007sig1.png|25px]][[User:Gligar2007|<span style="color:red;">'''Gligar'''</span>]][[User talk:Gligar2007|<span style="color:blue;">'''2007'''</span>]][[File:Gligar2007sig2.png|25px]] 09:28, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
:::::You know damn well, such as the reason you were indefinitely banned from the Discord server. The admins have been in the process of discussing if you should be unbanned from there or banned from here, and I and others have been advocating for you to be given one more chance. You best stop pestering and not make us go back on it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:55, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
::::::Would you be ok asking me through discord DM why I behaved this way on SmashWiki's Discord? [[File:Gligar2007sig1.png|25px]][[User:Gligar2007|<span style="color:red;">'''Gligar'''</span>]][[User talk:Gligar2007|<span style="color:blue;">'''2007'''</span>]][[File:Gligar2007sig2.png|25px]] 09:43, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
== Alex95's user page ==
[[User:Alex95|This guy]] said he is a chat moderator on SmashWiki's discord. Would it be ok to edit out the info that is no longer true?


[[File:Gligar2007sig1.png|25px]][[User:Gligar2007|<span style="color:red;">'''Gligar'''</span>]][[User talk:Gligar2007|<span style="color:blue;">'''2007'''</span>]][[File:Gligar2007sig2.png|25px]] 09:43, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
...just naaaawwwwwwwwwww.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:41, 11 February 2012 (EST)


== Question ==
Ok? Who are you?<span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Yoshi'''</span>]][[User talk:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Eggs'''</span>]]</span> [[File:YoshiEggsSig.gif|19px]]  09:44, 11 February 2012 (EST)
:I'm just the smashwiki creep, you can usually find me stalking someone ;) --[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:46, 11 February 2012 (EST)
::Thank God we never interacted before. Say when I get my GC controller, can we train in Brawl? Your Name has Dojo in it so you would be a good Sen-sei for me :D[[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]]  [[File:CharizardHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 10:15, 11 February 2012 (EST)
:::It's "Dodo" not "Dojo" and Lightning Blue; any time :P --[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 05:37, 12 February 2012 (EST)


A few months ago, [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Lucas&diff=1721890&oldid=1712943 I changed the most recent appearances] of Lucas, Ness, and Dark Pit to Mario Maker 1 (and somebody else did the same to Palutena, as I was unaware that her 2nd most recent non-smash appearance was before Mario Maker 1), as I felt it was the cause of a [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Lucas&diff=1712619&oldid=1712617 frankly gross trivia point] that Lucas only has one non-smash appearance or when he's clearly visible in Mario Maker 1.
I'll be the judge of that. If he can't beat me he is not a sensei (I kinda suck). [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:midnightblue;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:turquoise;font-family:arial black">'''Electric!</font>]] 22:13, 11 February 2012 (EST)


A week ago, [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Ness&diff=prev&oldid=1743772 I found it reverted as "discussed to death"]. I see discussion on [[Talk:Ness]] and [[User_talk:Miles_of_SmashWiki/Archive16#Most_Recent_Appearances|an old user talk page]], but nowhere else, and most of the dislike towards counting Mario Maker seems to be started by one user [[User:Toomai/Miles-OT survey results|I read about]] [[SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Miles of SmashWiki|you two having beef]] with each other as Mario Maker 1 was coming out, which is why I want to ask you for your opinion on this situation.
I don't think you suck LightningBlue: Electric! <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Yoshi'''</span>]][[User talk:YoshiEggs|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Eggs'''</span>]]</span> [[File:YoshiEggsSig.gif|19px]] 19:13, 23 February 2012 (EST)


From what I understand, Miles convinced some people (a lot of the discourse from the Ness talk page came from somebody who initially and correctly thought it should be counted as a cameo earlier on Miles' talk) that Mario Maker 1 should be completely ignored as a non-smash appearance due to it technically being a costume, and most of the current dislike towards this idea still comes primarily from Miles. That argument makes sense, especially with Mii costumes where the Mii leaks through the character they're cosplaying. However, what I also see on both pages is that the sprites resemble the characters fully, and that Sonic is in a similar situation with him first cameoing as an air freshener in a separate game, and I have to agree with both of these points.
== Protect ing of User page ==


I also gave the examples of sprites on a character's shirt in my edit summaries, but something I just found out was that a couple sprites directly taken from Mario Maker costumes (meaning the exact same appearances) do make non-costume cameos on walls in some kingdoms, which you can collect for coins. This doesn't affect Mario of Peach since they're in the game anyways, but MarioWiki does count this as a cameo for Rosalina, who otherwise isn't in the game (this wasn't added here, but it doesn't really matter since this is long past and her next appearance was in a month anyways). Link also reappears in Mario Maker 2 with the same sprite, and [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Link&diff=prev&oldid=1330428 people correctly counted that], but not Mario Maker 1 for other characters, despite, as I mentioned, being the exact same sprite.
How many main page edits do I need to get my user page unprotected? It's starting to irritate me. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:midnightblue;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:turquoise;font-family:arial black">'''Electric!</font>]] 21:03, 16 February 2012 (EST)
:It's probably best if no hard numbers are involved. That said, I think you should keep an eye on [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Editcount/LightningBlue this] and ask later once the mainspace numbers look a little more balanced. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Riotous 21:06, 16 February 2012 (EST)


With all that being said, given your history with who seems to be the primary reason why this arbitrary exception for not even being a simple cameo exists and affects 4 whole pages, what is your opinion on this situation. This weird arbitrary exception for not counting as a cameo, because this seriously frustrates me. [[Special:Contributions/157.242.208.253|157.242.208.253]] 21:29, December 6, 2022 (EST)
Ok... [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:midnightblue;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:turquoise;font-family:arial black">'''Electric!</font>]] 23:50, 16 February 2012 (EST)
:The fact I never got along with Miles is irrelevant, I'm not going to be goaded into wiki arguments just to stick it to him or whatever. I would rather not count minor cameos as appearances for those entries at all, and in this case, I  am in agreement with the costume argument. Either way I don't care enough about this to argue it, take it up with the people actually disputing you instead of trying to drag me into it.


:Also, [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Ness&diff=prev&oldid=1745807 don't do shit like this], hidden editing notes are supposed to be used to explain any peculiarities about editing something specific, to note that some information shouldn't be added like unwanted personal information on a smasher page, or to note that something particularly contentious shouldn't be changed without discussion, ''they are not for the purpose of justifying your own edit''. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:45, December 7, 2022 (EST)
==Question==
How did you know that One was a sockpuppet? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Yoshi 19:00, 19 February 2012 (EST)
:Avengingbandit admitted the entire thing. Also, checkuser will have shown that after making One's RfA, he signed in as Avengingbandit on the same computer, meaning that the last known IP of the two users was the same. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 19:08, 19 February 2012 (EST)
::I knew that CheckUser would have shown it; I was wondering how he was tipped off in the first place, since (not knowing it was admitted) I saw no evidence anywhere. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 19:48, 19 February 2012 (EST)
:::One's behavior on IRC (having an unusual self confidence not displayed in new users, being on both SmashWiki and DK Wiki IRC, and asking around about adminship), got me suspicious that they were a sock of AB. So I check user'd to be sure, and sure enough, I was correct. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:47, 19 February 2012 (EST)


== IP is vandalizing ==
== Yoshi's Story ==


An IP (97.96.64.151) is editing [[Team:Smash_Crew_Server|this page]] over and over again, which could be considered vandalism. Could you please block them? Thanks. [[User:The Pro Gamer|The Pro Gamer]] ([[User talk:The Pro Gamer|talk]]) 19:58, February 17, 2023 (EST)
It's not that it is invalid, it just needs sources. Isn't that what the template is for? [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:midnightblue;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:turquoise;font-family:arial black">Need to Balance'''</font>]] 20:57, 20 February 2012 (EST)
:[https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Team%3ASmash_Crew_Server&type=revision&diff=1760908&oldid=1719138 This] doesn't appear to be vandalism to me, can you provide evidence that the changes they made is incorrect information? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:29, February 17, 2023 (EST)
:The video is a "source", it shows what is claimed in the article to be true. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:23, 20 February 2012 (EST)
::They keep editing and editing, which could irritate users. - [[User:The Pro Gamer|The Pro Gamer]] ([[User talk:The Pro Gamer|talk]]) 21:30, February 17, 2023 (EST)
:::One, that isn't vandalism, and two, it was just four edits. No, I'm not going to block a new IP for just making four consecutive edits to a single page, that is not by any means an extreme amount. Blocks for such an offense would only be valid if it's a chronic problem with a user who insistently refuses to preview their edits after being warned extensively about it. Instead of calling them a vandal and trying to get an admin to block them for such a very minor issue, you should have instead politely point out to them that they should preview their edits before saving and link them [[SW:SP|this]].


:::Also indent your comments with a colon (:) when replying to posts on talk page, indenting your post one more than the post you're replying to. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:42, February 17, 2023 (EST)
I guess. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:midnightblue;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:turquoise;font-family:arial black">Need to Balance'''</font>]] 21:26, 20 February 2012 (EST)


== RE: Smash 64 screenshot borders ==
== Balance ==


The borders in some of the Smash 64 screenshots exist in the game's video signal and are preserved when taking a direct screenshot through an emulator without graphics mods. While removing after the fact would be trivial, it does run into one of the "other concepts" on [[SW:IMAGE]] of not modifying screenshots. If the removal of blank space is going to be treated as an exception, then it should be mentioned on the policy.
My edits on the main page are about 16%, not great but it is closed to balanced. I am requesting to have my user page unprotected.  [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:midnightblue;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:turquoise;font-family:arial black">Need to Balance'''</font>]] 16:40, 25 February 2012 (EST)
:Your userpage will be unprotected when legitimate effort is deemed to have been shown, and you stop bothering every admin to unprotect it constantly. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:22, 25 February 2012 (EST)


Somewhat related but not specific to this, putting a maintenance tag without putting a reason in the tag is not helpful unless it is blatantly obvious what needs fixing. While you did give your reasoning in the edit summary, no one should need to look at that to know what is needed. Too often have I had to go back and track down 3-5 year old summaries when it could've been in plain sight. If I or someone else came along years later and saw a bare tag, we may reach the same conclusion as Aidan and remove it. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 14:32, March 17, 2023 (EDT)
== SSBM Giant Punch intangibility ==
:I would say removing blank space from an image hardly runs against the Image policy, when the spirit of the policy is "don't put screenshots of your mods and photoshops in our articles", while we have also accepted people removing blank borders from screenshots before. If people will be a stickler for what exactly is written down, then it can simply be written into the policy that it is ok to remove blank space, there is no value in "preserving" blank space that just makes the image take up more screen space than it needs to and makes the image more difficult to discern. I would also say preserving native resolution isn't most ideal either, people shouldn't need to zoom all the way in on a Smash 64 screenshot to see what is even in the image on modern monitors, not when we have the tools to take screenshots at higher quality than the original hardware allowed. Plus I'll also point out that the image policy does not say images should only be in their native resolution, and indeed ton of images on the wiki were taken at a higher resolution than possible on the original hardware, especially Smash 64 images, while to reverse that now would be clearly counterproductive, when clarity of what we're trying to show should trump any blind purism.


:Also it's weird you're going to try to lecture me about that like I don't know how maintenance tags work when I been here for far longer than you and told off people several times for not writing down proper reasons in their maintenance tags, while several of my edits have also been fixing maintenance tags that didn't have a proper reasoning in them prior. I didn't write down a reasoning in these specific tags here because it is evident why those images are low quality (blank borders have never been desirable in screenshots). Trying to tell an admin off for such a trivial thing I'm well aware of comes off as you trying to one-up me or something. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:53, March 17, 2023 (EDT)
Clearly at least some part of the full charge release has intangibility frames as seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGvGSec3f4U&t=54s here]. But if it's a very narrow range, not sure whether removing it would be nerf-noteworthy. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Irrepressible 08:05, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
::I'm not trying to one-up you or anything of the sort. I saw something that I thought would make the job easier for a future editor and wanted to bring it up, from one editor to another.
:Considering that the Giant Punch was given a fairly large super armor window in Brawl, the intangibility window in Melee would have to be nearly as large to consider the removal of it to be a nerf. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:22, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
::Okay yeah, checked and it's only 2 frames, so not a nerf. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 17:36, 20 March 2012 (EDT)


::For the tags, I'd argue it isn't evident why they are low quality. There's no blurriness, no compression or JPEG artifacts, no watermarks, and the color seems fine. I'd be fine if the removal of blank space is written into the policy. The more unwritten rules that can be made written rules, the better. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 17:12, March 17, 2023 (EDT)
== Brawl ==
:::I don't particularly have much to add to this discussion, but I can at least say that I would have gotten zero indication that the reason you marked the image as low quality was because of the borders without you clarifying such, especially given that the point of that screenshot is to show the "SUDDEN DEATH" text, which is in clear view even as is. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 17:26, March 17, 2023 (EDT)
::::An image just being able to "clearly" (big quotation marks given how shite the resolution of that screenshot is) show the sudden death text for a sudden death article wouldn't make it a desirable image (e.g. we wouldn't accept a screenshot cropped to only have the sudden death text visible), we still want the screenshots to actually look good, part of which should clearly mean not having borders of black space around an image. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:00, March 17, 2023 (EDT)
I don't particularly mind having the borders cropped so long as it's written in policy somewhere. With the SSB64 images, the border is part of {{iw|wikipedia|overscan}} and shouldn't be visible on a CRT display anyway, so it wouldn't be a huge loss.


By the way, should borderless images be enforced, I wanted to ask what should be done with these sets of images in particular, as they're what come to mind at the moment:
Do you wanna brawl? <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 20:37, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
*I'm assuming that all the images in [[:Category:Subspace Emissary cutscenes]] would be cropped. Still, with all the [[:File:Wolf_Subspace.png|edit warring]] about this exact issue, I just wanted to be sure.
:Eating right now, maybe after. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:41, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
*Would all the images in [[:Category:Congratulations screens (SSBM)]] be cropped? They were originally uploaded as low quality JPEG screenshots, and were replaced by manually converting the original, quasi-JPEG files found in the ''Melee'' disk. However, they all have black borders as part of the image data. As to not upload 75+ JPEG-artifacted PNGs to replace them, they were uploaded as is. Consequently, editing them is not feasible without worsening the quality further. Should they be edited? And if so, how should they be reuploaded?
:Yo, I noticed that you like to brawl with people but they all have other things to do unfortunately. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Autistic]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 20:43, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
*What should be done about the images in [[:Category:Congratulations screens (SSB4-3DS)]]? I'm assuming the images contain the golden borders themselves like the ''Melee'' screens. Regardless, unlike the other two categories, these all have an image border rather than a plain black one. Would they be treated any differently from images with plain borders? [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|<span style="color:#89F">Nokii</span>]] ·''' 02:14, March 18, 2023 (EDT)
::I pretty much noticed it too now that you mentioned it. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 20:50, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
:*Ah Brandondorf, hard to tell in that case if the people weren't just reverting him because it was Brandondorf (who was infamous at the time for fucking with screenshots on the wiki by editing them far more than just removing borders, such as messing with their saturation or blowing up their size as a substitute for "higher resolution"), while I'm also sensing PSIWolf was being overprotective of "his" image (while his friends then joined in to "defend" it from Brandondorf). The people reverting Brandondorf are claiming the borders a part of the scene, but taking a look on youtube, I'm seeing videos of the cutscenes without any borders, so I don't know if it was just those users' emulator settings rather than the picture of Brawl's video files actually inherently having the borders. In any case though, I would prefer new, higher resolution screenshots taken that don't have the borders to begin with if possible (the linked Wolf cutscene example isn't even 480p), rather than just cropping the old screenshots.
:::Yes Smash and you fail to reply to my response. Btw based on what AvengingBandit said of you, you will annihilate me in Brawl if you play me. See my code on my userpage. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:silver;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:black;font-family:arial black">'''Music is Power'''</font>]] 21:06, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
:::I can brawl now, you should go on IRC so I can communicate with you. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:18, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
::::My CPU won't go to the IRC, how about [[Special:WebChat]]? <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 21:22, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::WebChat puts you on the IRC channel. &ndash; [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 21:24, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
::::::The connection is a bit laggy. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 21:52, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::::And another thing, the connection isn't very good, I'm usually better than this. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 22:06, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Lag is only going to aid f-smash and roll spam. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:35, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Btw, claiming you would beat me offline, when online clearly shows different, and you have no offline results to speak of, puts you on my black list of players I do not play. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:38, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::I know I have no offline results to speak of, I'm just sayin' that I'm much better offline because there is no lag. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 13:52, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::No offline results = you are no position to claim yourself superior to someone who destroyed you online, especially when they do have offline results.


:*Converting a JPG to a PNG shouldn't worsen the quality as long as the right settings are used, like I just took one of those images and [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/623510042808680473/1086544473758105701/BowserAdventureMode.png converted it to a PNG], while there was then absolutely no discernible degradation in quality post-conversion compared to the original JPG. For one more thing, I took a look at the source for one of the original screenshots that didn't have the black borders, and it was from [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/flash/0222/omake.html the official site itself], that seems to be an admittance that the borders weren't any sort of "developer's intent" or anything like that. So in this case, I would again say to preferably not have the borders in these images.
::::::::::And I can guarantee you'll do even worse without lag with smash and roll spam. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:59, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::Wrong. I spam out attacks much faster offlline. Besides, I know how I play, I kick but offline. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 16:40, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::Kirby's f-smash will have just as much start-up and ending lag offline, and with no lag to delay inputs, you won't be protected from being so easy to punish. Same applies to your rolls. Now you can stop being an arrogant ass, and either present the offline results to support your claim, or humbly accept someone who wrecked you online would wreck you just as hard or beat you even worse offline. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:46, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::::You're acting like I don't know much but I do, and I know Kirby's f-smash will have just as much start-up and ending lag offline, there is no difference. I've been playing Smash Bros. since 2001, so I know alot about the SSB series. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 17:09, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::::How you play speaks differently, as well as your belief you won't get punished for f-smash spamming offline. And it doesn't matter how long you been playing the Smash series, it doesn't make you any better or worse. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:16, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Also, come on IRC, we'll finish there, and stop disrupting recent changes with this. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:18, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::Remember Smash Master, IRC = [[Special:WebChat]]. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 17:25, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::Webchat stopped working for me. :p <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 17:49, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Rejoin <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:51, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::I think it should work, it always works for me when i'm on safari or even firefox so you should have no problem. You two could also make a different section talking about IRC if your finished your brawl topic. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Autistic]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 17:54, 25 March 2012 (EDT)


:*I would say this is a definite different case, as such borders were deliberately put there by the devs as part of the presentation rather than just being blank space to fill an aspect ratio that may or may not be visible depending on how the game is actually viewed, and when [https://youtu.be/xvPg9PzDHrg?t=721 looking at it ingame], you can clearly see how the gold border is a part of the image by how it moves up with the screenshot as the credits go on. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:25, March 18, 2023 (EDT)
== Skill ==
::Pretty much in the same boat as Nokii. Do want to add some things regarding the other things.
::*Viewing the movies in Dolphin shows the borders. Taking screens via Dolphin will give 832x476px pictures and the image in the borders is roughly 770x414px (roughly because the edge isn't perfectly sharp because of the next sentence). Viewing and screening the files in VLC shows no borders and gives 576x416px (18:13, almost 4:3) which are then stretched to widescreen in-game. The name cards are also added in after the fact. The video files are THP files (the "quasi-JPGs" Nokii mentioned) and are essentially comprised of a series of JPG files, meaning they will always have some artifacting. I can get behind getting new images for these, but the details need to be worked out.
::*The black borders for the Melee files also have a tiny amount bleeding into them from the main portion. I personally see these as sprite rips and thus shouldn't be altered. JPGs ''can'' be cropped losslessly without causing extra artifacting, but you need special software and it can only be done in increments of 8 pixels due to how JPGs encode data (borders here are 16 pixels if you ignore the bleed over, so that works out). In the past I've used {{iw|wikipedia|libjpeg}} (command line) and {{iw|wikipedia|IrfanView}} (requires plugin for JPG cropping).
::*3DS congrats screens are [https://www.spriters-resource.com/3ds/supersmashbrosfornintendo3ds/sheet/62692/ sprite rips]. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 07:29, March 18, 2023 (EDT)


== Can you please change my username to MarioBobFan? ==
Criticizing my skill huh? Well you have no right to criticize my skill. You don't know how I play offline, I'm just a bit worse online. And another thing, I "AM" a challenge. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 15:48, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
Because I want it changed. [[User:MarioBob|MarioBob]] ([[User talk:MarioBob|talk]]) 18:38, March 25, 2023 (EDT)
:I suggest you do two things:
:#Drop this argument. Neither side is going to change their opinion, and no one likes unending arguments.
:#[http://www.smashboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=51&prefixid=AtlSouth Find a tournament near you]. You say you can play like you could be in one, so why not do so and obtain the skill proof OT wants? You might even get your brother to tag along for doubles or something. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Keymaster 16:12, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
:Pretty much what Toomai said. If some lag really holds you back that much, do well in offline tournaments, if you care that much about how others think of you. If you want to argue this with me, bring it to IRC. And being able to effortlessly 2/3 stock you is not a challenge.


== Am I doing something actively wrong or are you just closely watching the recent changes? ==
:Also, as I told you yesterday on IRC, blind arrogance is going to keep you from ever improving. Instead of trying to tell me you are a challenge when what I saw and play against says otherwise, and telling others you're a near "Smash god", why not look at the criticisms of how you play, and work on improving upon them? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:21, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
::Being in a tounament would be cool, but do you have to be a certain age to be in one? I'm 15. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 19:57, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
:::No, age does not matter. Even 12 year olds can enter btw, so you are eligible for any tournament. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Spectre]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 20:04, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
:::{{Sm|Nairo}} was a pro at 13, tournaments don't have age restrictions. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:11, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
::::And yet he got as high as 3rd place in Brawl singles at Apex 2012. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Spectre]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 20:13, 26 March 2012 (EDT)


I'm noticing that often when I edit, you either add on to my edit or revert it within minutes, even if the "who's online" section didn't list you, and when you do revert something you usually use strong language. I want to check to see if I was problematic and the strong language is because of that (given how there is an option to watch a specific user), or if you were just closely watching the recent changes and the semi-common usage of the word "shit" is just something you usually do. [[User:Unnamed anon|Unnamed anon]] ([[User talk:Unnamed anon|talk]]) 19:46, March 28, 2023 (EDT)
== need help ==
:I've been simply looking at recent changes a lot lately, I'm not watching nor targeting any specific users, and naturally someone who edits a lot will have their edits frequently looked over, and then the page being edited farther and their own edits being reverted for whatever reason. My "foul mouth" is nothing targeted towards you, and a cursory look at other posts of mine that have nothing to do you will show that. "Who's online" is also not reliable for showing who is online browsing at that exact moment, so you shouldn't put more stock into it other than "the user loaded a tab on SmashWiki some time very recently". You have been fine other than the time you tried prodding me to get into a wiki argument with Miles, just don't try to be pedantic about trivia. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:02, March 28, 2023 (EDT)


== Permission to turn my attribute data subpage into a project ==
OT, I have a problem, since AiB starts changing the picture profiles of the players into random LoL characters, I got one that it did not like, which was a girl. Can you help me change the image to what I wanted or I'm I stuck with it for now? [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Spectre]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 21:34, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:Look at the date. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:41, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
I recently made a [[User:Unnamed anon/AllCharAttributes|subpage to organize all of the character's attributes before putting them on every fighter page]], as from what I can see on [[Template talk:Attributes]] this info should be on all fighter pages, though the actual template format had disagreements (though I hope my additions to Attributes1 could work out). However, I don't have the patience nor willpower to add in every characters attributes by myself, plus Brawl and 64 are missing double jump/short hop data, which means I can't actually start on brawl and 64. I see there's a [[smashwiki:Project|project category]] to get help on this, but it's only present on 4 pages; can I have permission to add it there? [[User:Unnamed anon|Unnamed anon]] ([[User talk:Unnamed anon|talk]]) 19:55, April 20, 2023 (EDT)
::April fools right? [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Spectre]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 21:42, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
:The more appropriate thing is to label this as a [[Help:Drafts|draft]], when it's just for a single thing, and it still indicates to others that you want help. Projects are for organizing large scale wiki stuff. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:02, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
 
== After blocked ==
 
I knew edit warring is an inappropriate behavior. CanvasK always dissatisfied with my edits, and thinking biasedly. Anyway, from Wikipedia, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Age&oldid=85287937 '''that date was written in 2006'''], but this is so outdated, so I thought that template needs to be updated. You won't be able to explain why these are 1980 and 1993. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Age/doc&oldid=150130478 The reason is it was written in '''2007'''] We will decide after [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Age#Change_to_automatic_update discussion] from Wikipedia. [[User:Tempest Tales|Tempest Tales]] ([[User talk:Tempest Tales|talk]]) 01:33, June 1, 2023 (EDT)
:What were you fucking told? Listen to the admins when they tell you to stop something and lay it off with that template. I have blocked you for longer as it clearly hasn't gotten through to you, if you come back after the block and repeat this behavior or otherwise continute to try undermining the administration, you will be blocked for a year.
 
:Also, [[SmashWiki is not Wikipedia]], there is no "we will decide after discussion on Wikipedia". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 06:36, June 1, 2023 (EDT)
 
== Moving [[Notice]] to [[Milestone]] ==
 
The move suggestion for [[Notice]] is still active, and there has been no active discussion for over 8 years. Only a single person during all this time said '''Support'''; there has been no active discussion ever since. Because of this, I feel like we should follow through with the move. Do you think so, Tyrant? [[User:Jordan2009|Jordan2009, the Sora Main]] [[User talk:Jordan2009|Talk here]] 14:39, June 6, 2023 (EDT)
:The move tag was added in [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Notice&diff=1696231&oldid=1693886 June of 2022], that IP's post from 2015 is irrelevant. But anyway a year without nothing is still a long time, so I alerted the Discord server about it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:56, June 6, 2023 (EDT)
 
== Sandbox ==
 
Hello, could you please create a sandbox in my namespace? I'm not autoconfirmed, but I need it to work on a new article while my 7 day period is ongoing. Would be greatly apreciated. [[User:Axii|Axii]] ([[User talk:Axii|talk]]) 10:57, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
:I'll need to know first what article you're planning to create. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:01, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
::I'm currently working on Nintendo websites coverage for the Super Mario Wiki, and I've realized some of the information would probably be a better fit for this wiki instead. [[User:Axii|Axii]] ([[User talk:Axii|talk]]) 11:04, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
:::What website(s) in particular do you want to create articles for? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:07, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
::::[https://play.nintendo.com/ Play Nintendo], on SMW we're still not done covering the Mario content, but Smash content is rather sparse, so it could easily be covered on a single page. [[User:Axii|Axii]] ([[User talk:Axii|talk]]) 11:11, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
:::::If Smash content is sparse, I'm questioning if it should have an article here at all. Can't say Play Nintendo falls under my area of expertise though, so I'll check with the Discord server if people think there's enough Smash-relevant content to merit an article. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:16, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
::::::I assure you, there is. Most of it was recovered from Wayback Machine [[User:Axii|Axii]] ([[User talk:Axii|talk]]) 11:18, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
:::::::Responses seemed disinterested, but I created your user page anyway to see what you can work up and we can decide the notability then. Can't guarantee we'll decide to mainspace the article though. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:40, July 26, 2023 (EDT)
 
== Team attack on changes shield/blastline/villager balloon color ==
 
Idk how i randomly came to that conclusion but I recently uploaded two Smash 3DS replays online to showcase this, one named “team attack off” and the other named “team attack on”. If you have trouble finding them, setting character and stage to {{SSB4|Villager}} on [[Dream Land]] should lead you to them
 
[[File:Gligar2007sig1.png|25px]][[User:Gligar2007|<span style="color:red;">'''Gligar'''</span>]][[User talk:Gligar2007|<span style="color:blue;">'''2007'''</span>]][[File:Gligar2007sig2.png|25px]] 08:52, July 30, 2023 (EDT)
:You will have to give me links to the videos showing that team attack affects shield colors. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:09, July 30, 2023 (EDT)
::If you want more than one source, I just tested this myself on my copy of Smash 3DS, and I can also confirm that this affects the listed colors. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 13:40, July 30, 2023 (EDT)
:::I'll take your word for it, though some video showing off it to link to would still be prefered. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:23, July 30, 2023 (EDT)
 
== Question ==
 
Hey, I would like you to answer my question: I have basically had my account for 8 days now (which goes over the minimum of 7 days to be autoconfirmed) and I have also made 10 edits (my first edit was on Thursday 26th October, which was 2 days ago). However, I'm still not autoconfirmed despite meeting the criteria. Can you please tell me why? Thank you.
[[User:ThePacifisticWarrior|ThePacifisticWarrior]] ([[User talk:ThePacifisticWarrior|talk]]) 03:23, October 28, 2023 (EDT)
:The time requirement for autoconfirmation is based off of when the first edit is made, not when the account was created. As such, since you made your first edit only two days ago, you are not autoconfirmed yet, and will need to wait another 5 days. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 06:04, October 28, 2023 (EDT)
::Okay, thank you. Since today is Saturday, I will be autoconfirmed on Thursday 2nd November. [[User:ThePacifisticWarrior|ThePacifisticWarrior]] ([[User talk:ThePacifisticWarrior|talk]]) 08:29, October 28, 2023 (EDT)
 
== Verification ==
 
Verifying that it's me on discord [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Ultimate Toad|<font color="#0AF">Ultimate Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Ultimate Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ultimate Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 10:52, November 14, 2023 (EST)
:Got it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 10:53, November 14, 2023 (EST)
 
== Inappropriate usernames ==
 
[[Special:Log/newusers|Lots of spam usernames]] containing lots of ZZZZZ [[File:Gligar2007sig1.png|25px]][[User:Gligar2007|<span style="color:red;">'''Gligar'''</span>]][[User talk:Gligar2007|<span style="color:blue;">'''2007'''</span>]][[File:Gligar2007sig2.png|25px]] 23:52, January 13, 2024 (EST)
 
:yeah we know about that. But pretty sure admins gave up dealing with them cuz they kept coming back under different IPs. It's like a game of cat and mouse. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 00:27, January 14, 2024 (EST)
 
==If you didn't know the Miraheze dark story look at these links==
https://tiresomewikis.shoutwiki.com/wiki/User_reception_wikis yeah can you see why miraheze is so hated
 
^Are you allowed to delete spam comments like this? [[File:Gligar2007sig1.png|25px]][[User:Gligar2007|<span style="color:red;">'''Gligar'''</span>]][[User talk:Gligar2007|<span style="color:blue;">'''2007'''</span>]][[File:Gligar2007sig2.png|25px]] 10:56, January 28, 2024 (EST)
:Sorry my bad :( <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:UVA|UVA]] ([[User talk:UVA|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/UVA|contribs]]) 15:25, January 28, 2024 (EST)</small>
::If u really were sorry from reading ur talk page u would have stopped talking about random musings/irrelevant off-wiki businesses while also signing ur posts properly already. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 03:37, January 29, 2024 (EST)
 
==Young Link==
Excuse me, but why does [[Young Link]]'s page say he appears in ''Melee'', ''Brawl'', and ''Ultimate''? I'm having trouble editing out the ''Brawl'' part. [[User:Skuchi037|Skuchi037]] ([[User talk:Skuchi037|talk]]) 00:08, February 14, 2024 (EST)
:He appears as stickers in ''Brawl'', as explained in the Brawl section on that page. Those header icons are not strictly for playable appearances, any appearance by the article subject in the game will count. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:13, February 14, 2024 (EST)
 
== Bad Trivia? ==
 
On August 3, 2023, you removed some trivia from Richter's page on the grounds that it was "bad trivia".  Why did you think it was bad trivia? [[Special:Contributions/24.181.44.22|24.181.44.22]] 15:11, March 31, 2024 (EDT)
 
== Sorry ==
Hello,Sorry for editing my page alot I am not good with this things [[User:Dcx|Dcx]] ([[User talk:Dcx|talk]]) 12:56, June 3, 2024 (EDT) Dcx

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