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| Just a quick reminder to sign your posts with four tildes. Thanks! [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 14:45, 12 January 2019 (EST)
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| ==Account creation?==
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| I've seen you do a lot of work here recently, and all in good faith. I was wondering if you are willing to create an account. You can do much more than simply editing pages, such as creating your own user page, uploading pictures, and editing most protected pages. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 18:26, 13 January 2019 (EST)
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| Thanks for the offer, but I think I’ll pass for now. I mostly wanted to add in missing details. The only game I fully own is Brawl, so I can’t really put in anything specific. I may end up making an account in the future though. I really appreciate the offer still. [[Special:Contributions/184.181.102.188|184.181.102.188]] 18:58, 13 January 2019 (EST)
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| In my honest opinion I believe we have reached a consensus. However, on the other hand, the last time I believed something came to a consensus it ended up getting removed :\. You could go on ahead and start making the changes, but they may still get reverted because people may believe that a consensus wasn't reached. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 21:09, 15 January 2019 (EST)
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| ==Memoryman3==
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| When dealing with vandals, including Memoryman3, always [[SW:QDV|deal with it quietly]]. Also it doesn't matter how BS something is, you never remove anything from talk pages. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 20:41, 16 January 2019 (EST)
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| Infoboxes should generally only have one image in them. Please do not try to add more than one. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Aurum 12:33, 2 February 2019 (EST) | | Infoboxes should generally only have one image in them. Please do not try to add more than one. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Aurum 12:33, 2 February 2019 (EST) |
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| :I apologize for the racist pun, and won’t do another one by the next April Fools. However, while I understand the block, a month seems a bit excessive for a terrible April Fools joke. I’m not arguing that it wasn’t racist (because frankly, it was), and I’m not asking for a reduced block because I know that it won’t work. In fact, I believe all of my April Fools mess has been cleared, so there’s really nothing for me to edit currently. However, I don’t entirely understand why you would get so worked up over something like this, as there was no actual malicious intent. [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Bayonetta_(SSB4)&diff=prev&oldid=1174716 This] is malicious. Even though the KKK is a horrible group, I did not in any way praise their actions, or blurt out white supremacist phrases. In fact, I don’t respect them, and I used the name ironically. While I don’t think I should have a more lenient punishment, and will gladly accept my current one, I am curious on why you were more angry over a racist pun than an attack on {{user|Trainer Alex}} (as the IP from the actual attack hasn’t been blocked ever). [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 02:29, April 2, 2019 (EDT) | | :I apologize for the racist pun, and won’t do another one by the next April Fools. However, while I understand the block, a month seems a bit excessive for a terrible April Fools joke. I’m not arguing that it wasn’t racist (because frankly, it was), and I’m not asking for a reduced block because I know that it won’t work. In fact, I believe all of my April Fools mess has been cleared, so there’s really nothing for me to edit currently. However, I don’t entirely understand why you would get so worked up over something like this, as there was no actual malicious intent. [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Bayonetta_(SSB4)&diff=prev&oldid=1174716 This] is malicious. Even though the KKK is a horrible group, I did not in any way praise their actions, or blurt out white supremacist phrases. In fact, I don’t respect them, and I used the name ironically. While I don’t think I should have a more lenient punishment, and will gladly accept my current one, I am curious on why you were more angry over a racist pun than an attack on {{user|Trainer Alex}} (as the IP from the actual attack hasn’t been blocked ever). [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 02:29, April 2, 2019 (EDT) |
| ::Do not use whataboutism to argue. The fact of the matter is that I am one person with a busy life, I cannot survey the wiki 24/7, I cannot hope to catch everything, the issue with alex was never brought up to me, <s>and I actually still have no idea what you are referring to.</s> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 08:18, April 2, 2019 (EDT) | | ::Do not use whataboutism to argue. The fact of the matter is that I am one person with a busy life, I cannot survey the wiki 24/7, I cannot hope to catch everything, the issue with alex was never brought up to me, <s>and I actually still have no idea what you are referring to.</s> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 08:18, April 2, 2019 (EDT) |
| ::The vandalism you've linked to isn't an attack to Trainer Alex specifiically, just an otherwise unrelated [https://bit.ly/35vHjuZ meme] that uses the derogatory word inside the rest of the IP's vandal edits. [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|{{color|#89d|Nokii}}]]''' — 10:24, April 2, 2019 (EDT) | | ::The vandalism you've linked to isn't an attack to Trainer Alex specifiically, just an otherwise unrelated [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/alex-is-a-stupid-nigger meme] that uses the derogatory word inside the rest of the IP's vandal edits. [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|{{color|#89d|Nokii}}]]''' — 10:24, April 2, 2019 (EDT) |
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| ==QUICK MESSAGE FOR {{user|SeanWheeler}}==
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| I’m currently blocked for a racist April Fools joke, so I can not argue for your Symbol proposal. I changed it to the ellipsis as part of another April Fools joke, but it’s been changed back now I believe. If you intend to start up discussion again however, I would not argue again even if I was not blocked, as a discussion should really be reopened if a large portion of users has changed for the debate, and I was clearly the one who blew the arguement out of proportion. Just let it go for now. Give it another 3 months, or let other users argue for it instead. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 20:16, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
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| I can’t add to the real one because of my KKK joke, but memoryman has come back under {{IP|5.81.71.60}}. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 19:09, April 3, 2019 (EDT)
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| == You're blocked ==
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| The only thing you should be discussing here is an appeal for your ban. I'll remove talk page privs if I see anything else beyond this point. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 21:35, April 3, 2019 (EDT)
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| :My apologies. I just wanted to calm down SeanWheeler before he starts up the symbol debate again, and to report a memoryman sockpuppet. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 22:14, April 3, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::Looking through your talk posts on here, you seem to be really wormy on editing the wiki, so I'll give you a tip: do not edit as a sockpuppet or through any means, because that's an infinite block. When your block is over you can continue with your edits. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 23:42, April 3, 2019 (EDT)
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| ==Ban reduction time and apologies==
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| I apologize if I’m being disruptive currently, but I’m wondering if I could have my ban reduced from 1 month to two weeks (which would make me banned for 2 more days). My ban was a weird case, since while it was an April Fools joke that was done during the festivities, it’s also one that many deem offensive and innappropriate. While I understand being blocked at all (frankly, I did deserve one because it was innapropriate), 1 month is a tad bit extreme. It doesn’t fully fit into the mold of vandalism, since it was done early during April Fools, and the joke, while innapropriate, was not done with malicious intent. It was simply a pun that I thought was funny (because K.K. Slider only needed an extra K to become a joke, not to mention the white fur), and I truly apologize for offending many people from that joke. I thought the joke would only be offensive if it was actively praising the KKK or calling K.K. Slider a white supremacist, not by simply mentioning the group. Reading through the official block policy, a month-long ban is only for severe or multiple offenses. I’m aware of my checkered past of warnings on multiple subjects, but looking through my contribution history shows that I usually stop repeating the offense after a single warning. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 23:37, April 11, 2019 (EDT)
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| :You stop harping on one issue but start another to avoid blocks. I want to be clear, if it weren't AFD, it would have been an infinite ban, and no amount of appeal would have swayed me. The block policy isn't a policy, but a general guideline for admins to get an idea for the "how long" question, especially when starting out. I'm sorry but no, the block stands as is. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 15:21, April 12, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::Had I not made that joke on April Fools, that would have been vandalism, so of course I would have been given an infinite ban considering the innapropriateness of the joke. I’ll stop trying to reduce my ban, but I do want to clarify 2 things before leaving for the remaining two weeks of my ban:
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| :::1. While I do continuously flock over to different discussions and perseverate over almost every single one I participate in, I’m making an active effort to improve myself. Usually, multiple of these issues are all in the back of my mind when editing the wiki, but I just start or massively contribute to one of these issues to keep attention focused on that one and that one only instead of having multiple half-dead discussions going on, not to avoid blocks like what you believe I’m doing. If that’s not a good standard, then I’ll make an active effort to fix that too.
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| :::2. Despite being blocked, I intend to make meaningful contributions outside of April Fools. Looking over your proposal for the birthday template, I '''Support''' it, as most of the info on the main page is completely stagnant anyways (as the forum and the youtube channel are both dead, and the featured article and “do you know” section haven’t changed in quite some time). You can choose whether or not my input on that proposal would be counted. I apologize for discussing something outside of my ban for that, but I do want to make useful contributions in good faith. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 18:23, April 12, 2019 (EDT)
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| ==Ban reduction (again) or adding in missing/removing redundant details on new content==
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| I know I said I wouldn’t try to reduce my ban again, but there are several details since 3.0 pages that are either redundant, missing, or now false. If I could have my ban reduced (I’ve learned my lesson now, and an offensive April Fools joke wouldn’t necessarily stop constructive edits), I could add/ these. If not, can somebody else add these? Thanks [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 12:36, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
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| •Stage Builder reuses backgrounds from the following stages: Battlefield, Big Blue, Magicant, Rainbow Cruise, Final Destination, Mario Galaxy, Wrecking Crew, and Luigi’s Mansion.
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| •Joker’s school outfit is in both the gallery and the infobox. It should only be in the infobox, so could somebody remove it from the gallery?
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| •Prior to 3.0, certain songs from the smash bros series could only be played from the playlist, and were otherwise unused (such as Melee’s opening theme), as well as two songs from street fighter. With Stage Builder, these songs can now be used elsewhere, so that trivia point in both pages can be removed.
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| •Daisy is now exactly like Peach again, so that trivia point should be re-added.
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| :You don't seem to understand the concept of being blocked; your talk page is to be used only for discussion of your ban, not to request changes on the wiki. In addition, you have not provided any new reasons for why you should be unblocked sooner, and you don't seem to understand that this likely isn't solely because of your ill-conceived April Fools joke, but also because you have been somewhat of a problematic user on the wiki for quite some time. I may not be an admin, but I would still like to give you some advice: stop trying to have your block reduced, it isn't going to work, and might even get you into more trouble.
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| :Please think about what I have said. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 12:44, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Your general attitude 2 ==
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| I understand that you are enthusiastic about helping out SmashWiki, getting involved in and starting discussions about various issues. However, I'm seeing several undesireable patterns in your attempts:
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| * You create "support, oppose, neutral" categories in polls you did not start.
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| * You attempt to restart concluded discussions repeatedly when they do not end in your desired outcome.
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| * You attempt to end every discussion as if it's your place to do so, including times where a clear consensus has not been made.
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| It is coming off as though you are trying to take charge of and strongarm the discussion, or that you feel that your way is the only way. We want that to stop. You are still welcome (and encouraged) to participate in discussions, but please stop attempting to route the decision in your favor by prematurely ending discussion and taking action. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 20:19, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
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| :I apologize for all of those. I probably should have waited a bit longer for the Fire Bow thing. I’ll make sure to leave it up to the admins to close discussions.
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| :I’m assuming you’re referring to trying to reopen discussion about Ganondorf being a pseudo-clone in Ultimate, but I want to explain myself for that one. I realize that I screwed up last time by making it a vote-based system, so I tried reopening it by not making it a vote and doing the math. The issue was that I intended to archive only the votes, and was planning on making it a real discussion instead of a vote this time. Plus, what we got out of that discussion ended up having Ganondorf’s up tilt added in as a unique move, but keeping his status as a semi-clone, which ended up having him apparently share less than half of his moveset with Falcon. I thought we having a discussion on whether he should keep the semi-clone status or the up tilt as a unique move would’ve made things less confusing on that page. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 00:13, May 5, 2019 (EDT)
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| Tangentially related, and I apologize if there was discussion about this matter has been held elsewhere and I simply missed it, but [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Yusuke_Kitagawa&diff=1226801&oldid=1226781 this edit] was entirely uncalled for. Not only is this a blatant breach of SW:1RV, but you can't just go unilaterally deciding content like that needs to stay off, and you especially can't half-ass it (nice to also ignore [[Morgana]]'s page in your attempts to "purge VA trivia"). - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 22:47, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
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| :There was discussion on Richter and Robin not sharing a voice actor, and that ended with saying that it shouldn’t be included as a trivia point. I assumed that voice actor trivia was not allowed, and i guess I was wrong. About the Morgana one, I didn’t even know that was there. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 22:51, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::It depends with VAs. Although it is interesting that VAs have voice numerous characters in ''Smash'', that is considered more general, it needs more in relation to ''Smash'' specifically to apply. Chrom's and Joker's VAs have trivia related to ''Smash'' specifically to be mentioned. At least, that's my understanding. [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 23:11, May 4, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Luigi and Rosalina's FS ==
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| Do Luigi's and Rosalina's Final Smash page names ''really'' need to be changed? I understand the case for renaming the "Fire Bow" to "Fire Arrow", but I don't see how much it would change the page in their Final Smashes. (Also, when suggesting a merge/move/split, its better to start the discusion or the suggestion may just be removed as no action was taken|I seen that happen before) I mean, yes it could be changed to incorporate both names in the title, but still. [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 16:54, May 11, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Regarding the Vergeben split ==
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| I asked about splitting the Vergeben section and an admin said “Vergeben isn’t notable enough to have his own page”. [[User:Operationgamer17|Operationgamer17]] ([[User talk:Operationgamer17|talk]]) 07:23, May 21, 2019 (EDT)
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| :At what point would he be considered notable enough? I understand ''if'' the admins don’t think he’s notable, but before I remove the split tag, I’m curious as to ''why''. (Don’t worry, I don’t want to reopen discussion. I just want to know the reason) [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 17:49, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Final pre-block warning ==
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| You continue to act as if your opinion is desired/required in all discussions. [[User talk:Awesomelink234#SK, about my block|This]] is a very egregious case, where you appear uninvited and unwanted, and proceed to prove a complete lack of knowledge on the topic, thereby derailing the discussion. And as I'm typing this, you're going around several talk pages bumping incomplete discussions with wording that implies you alone will decide when it's concluded. I've also received several complaints from users on how you posture above your authority. You need to watch how you word things, or we're going to have no choice but to start blocking you for being disruptive. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 16:41, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| :My apologies. I was bumping them to ask for more input on the discussion before aksing either you or Serpent King if it was okay to move it afterwards. Sorry if my wording gave everybody the wrong idea. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 18:30, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Hey, listen ==
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| Before I go ahead and say this, I'm going to say that this is not an addition to your block warnings from Toomai.
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| Something I've tended to notice with you is that you jump to conclusions a lot, and you miss a lot of stuff when making edits and commenting on (or creating) discussions. Granted, nobody's perfect, and we don't expect you to be - even I make mistakes and miss stuff from time to time - but, if I may be a bit frank, you do tend to come to the ''wrong'' conclusion at times, and, [[Talk:Peach Bomber#Move|in some cases]], can cause a derail that could have been avoided if all of the details had been noticed the first time. I am entirely assuming good faith here - I, along with the rest of the staff, do not believe in any way that you are here to damage the wiki - but for the sake of the wiki and all of us working on it, it would be appreciated if you slowed down and actually thought about something you're doing before it's done. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 22:35, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Your general attitude 3 ==
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| This also doubles as an explanation post for your block.
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| All the staff here make sure everything is going smoothly on the wiki, and no one is stepping out of line. If they do so repeatedly, then we keep an eye on them. Given [[#Your general attitude|everything]] [[#Your general attitude 2|that]] [[#Final pre-block warning|you've]] [[#Hey, listen|done]], it's almost an understatement to say we've been doing that. You've repeatedly caused problems on the wiki, intentionally or not, and in spite of being warned several times, you continue to do it anyway. There are also certain toxic patterns that have been picked up on, and [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Hero&curid=97261&diff=1265600&oldid=1265291 to know that such assumptions were true] only hammers the nail further. While good faith is still being assumed, and we hope that you are able to grow and change your behavior because of this, you have still negatively affected the wiki in ways that have earned yourself a year block. We do not need a specific offense to occur in order to block someone - we just need to decide that such person is doing more harm than good by being allowed to edit the wiki.
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| And before anything from you is said in regards to this, attempts to have your block reduced will not be helpful to your case. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 13:59, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
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| ==Apologies to everybody for everything==
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| Well, I f*cked up. I don’t know if it’s because I’m stressed from applying for college, if it’s because I’m a piece of human garbage, or I’m just stupid, but the fact of the matter is that I screwed up, and by the time my block ends, I’ll be starting college. And I can’t reduce this block either, so this is almost definitely my last edit here ever. I don’t really have a second chance despite not being infinitely blocked, and that’s probably for the best with all the mistakes I’ve made.
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| I’m assuming that all of my offenses from the past added up to this, and whether I should be blocked has been a subject of debate has been a part of the discord for a while. [[Template Talk:Symbol|trying to revive a debate because I was unsatisfied]], [[Talk:Heihachi Mishima|making a ridiculous claim when I lost a debate]], [[Talk:Peach Bomber|Assuming a wrong conclusion based on another wrong conclusion]], [[Talk:Hookshot and Clawshot|not watching my words when bumping a discussion, inadvertently making me look like I’m backseat modding]], making an unintentionally racist April Fools joke and probably so much more I’m missing. I want to apologize for every single thing I’ve done. I might’ve gotten a little cocky when I suggested to add certain alternate costumes to the infobox (though the tabber wasn’t my idea; all credit for the tabber goes to Cookies and Creme), and then that proposal passed.
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| I’ve added some minor trivia points that work, fixed some grammar, revised some tables, and reworded some things to make them less jarring (at least in my eyes), but that doesn’t excuse every single mistake I made. I mean zero harm to this wiki, and have been acting in what I thought was good faith, but it looks like I accidentally caused too much trouble. I tried to solve every issue that an admin warns me about every time, but each time I solve one issue, I f*ck up something else. Even when I actively avoided edit warring (I think I’ve only done it two times ever), I still somehow found a way to f*ck up. I am sincerely sorry to everybody on this wiki, and for every article or talk page I have negatively affected, and for f*cking up something every time I fixed another. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 21:52, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
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| :If you truly won't be back, I'd like to thank you for the good edits you have made. You are definitely not a piece of human garbage, and your productivity will be appreciated. I know this probably isn't the place for me to say this, but I'd rather not send Lou out on a bad note. [[User:KungFuLakitu|KungFuLakitu]], [[User talk:KungFuLakitu|Spiny Overlord]] 22:22, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::Let the record show that we are not driving you out, nor do we think you're a piece of human garbage. We simply want what's best for the wiki. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 23:45, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::First of all, get a life. Also, in their defense, should’t their block be shorter? [[Special:Contributions/107.242.121.12|107.242.121.12]] 00:14, September 13, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::::Never thought I’d be back to editing, even if I’ve been reading this wiki a lot since Banjo came out. I want to clarify 2 things, 1 to the IP, and one to clarify that this is not a sock to decrease my ban.
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| ::::1. Regardless of how long my block is, I was actually planning on leaving for a while. If anything this block is a failsafe to let me focus on real life. I have a ton of classes and college prep essays, and I’ve had mental health problems from stress. While I started put as a somewhat decent user, real life problems have been slowly driving me insane, and I need to deal with these first. I’m staying off of editing because I have a life that needs fixing.
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| ::::2. While this IP does show typical behavior of a sock trying to decrease my ban, I have proof that they are not. [https://www.whatismyip.com/ip-address-lookup/ Checking this site] shows that I live in Southern California, while said IP is in San Francisco. I know I wanted a decrease on my first ban after April Fools, but this ban is 100% deserved, and I will not ask for it to be decreased. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena#top|talk]]) 01:40, September 13, 2019 (EDT)
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| ==The debate is back==
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| :::::That [[Template talk:Symbol|discussion]] has been brought back in full force and we could have used your draft forum. Though since we're back to where we were, repeating old arguments, I wanted your proposal to be revised into more of a voting proposal than a debate. But since you're blocked, you can't do much of anything. But when you're unblocked, could you format that draft to include votes for the ellipsis and the votes for the Battlefield symbol? And I'm sorry that I never got that message about your block. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 00:44, February 19, 2020 (EST)
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