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:This point was mainly geared towards 2023 Gackt, who went from 7th at {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 13}} to 49th at {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2023}} a few weeks later, then to 5th at {{Trn|Delfino Maza 2023}} before placing 33rd at {{Trn|DELTA 5}}, then the rest of the season was rather mediocre for him (like should he really be losing to players like Iwashi or kept if he was able to overcome Maister 3-0 a few months prior). Even if we talk about currently, just a month before GENESIS Gackt placed 129th at {{Trn|Umebura SP 10}}. I do admit my wording should have been more precise but I wouldn't necessarily say Gackt is more consistent now, especially since the season is barely 2 months old at this point which isn't the greatest time frame to make a good decision. | :This point was mainly geared towards 2023 Gackt, who went from 7th at {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 13}} to 49th at {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2023}} a few weeks later, then to 5th at {{Trn|Delfino Maza 2023}} before placing 33rd at {{Trn|DELTA 5}}, then the rest of the season was rather mediocre for him (like should he really be losing to players like Iwashi or kept if he was able to overcome Maister 3-0 a few months prior). Even if we talk about currently, just a month before GENESIS Gackt placed 129th at {{Trn|Umebura SP 10}}. I do admit my wording should have been more precise but I wouldn't necessarily say Gackt is more consistent now, especially since the season is barely 2 months old at this point which isn't the greatest time frame to make a good decision. | ||
::"Sonic is not a bad matchup for Ness. In fact, Ness is one of few characters to consistently give Sonix trouble. FOW, Gackt, and Scend have all taken sets from him. " | ::"Sonic is not a bad matchup for Ness. In fact, Ness is one of few characters to consistently give Sonix trouble. FOW, Gackt, and Scend have all taken sets from him. " | ||
:This is completely on me because what I meant to say is that some of the characters that define the current metagame have tools that abuses Ness's worst weaknesses while they can also deal with Ness's projectile game, one of his best strengths. I'll try to give more context to this in future revisions | :This is completely on me because what I meant to say is that some of the characters that define the current metagame have tools that abuses Ness's worst weaknesses while they can also deal with Ness's projectile game, one of his best strengths. I'll try to give more context to this in future revisions. | ||
::"I think it's important to provide context for LumiRank's tier list. It's only one tier list, and it was heavily criticized by top players on social media." | ::"I think it's important to provide context for LumiRank's tier list. It's only one tier list, and it was heavily criticized by top players on social media." | ||
:All tier lists have their fair share of criticism, like if I remember correctly the fourth Smash 4 tier list was blasted for some of its inaccuracies, but that's what comes with tier lists. As such, it's kind of pointless to say how the tier list was heavily criticized because all tier lists are heavily criticized to a certain degree, especially for a game like Ultimate where you have to rank 82 characters and have opinions from the entire world. In addition, I have seen a lot of the online criticism but some of it is rooted in misconceptions (like the belief that the one score that had Incineroar as 5th was counted where it was actually removed) so I do wonder whether they are valid criticisms or just uninformed, and top players can be very much uninformed (examples being Leo and Aaron not knowing who Yoshidora is and MVD still thinking Japan had a multiplier going into 2024 when the major Japanese regions haven't had one since 2020). Issues like that are why the wiki should [[SW:NPOV|try to have a more neutral point of view]] on a subject like this especially when this is the only tier list we can really accept: the other alternatives either have dubious sources (such as Game8 or EventHubs, if the latter is still a thing) or are just personal tier lists. At least LumiRank has a fully explained algorithm and was done by people with actual credentials, and if there are any super major criticisms (on the level of people criticising Smash 4's first tier list as being too early, which led to many abstaining their vote), it should be mentioned on the tier list's own page. | :All tier lists have their fair share of criticism, like if I remember correctly the fourth Smash 4 tier list was blasted for some of its inaccuracies, but that's what comes with tier lists. As such, it's kind of pointless to say how the tier list was heavily criticized because all tier lists are heavily criticized to a certain degree, especially for a game like Ultimate where you have to rank 82 characters and have opinions from the entire world. In addition, I have seen a lot of the online criticism but some of it is rooted in misconceptions (like the belief that the one score that had Incineroar as 5th was counted where it was actually removed) so I do wonder whether they are valid criticisms or just uninformed, and top players can be very much uninformed (examples being Leo and Aaron not knowing who Yoshidora is and MVD still thinking Japan had a multiplier going into 2024 when the major Japanese regions haven't had one since 2020). Issues like that are why the wiki should [[SW:NPOV|try to have a more neutral point of view]] on a subject like this especially when this is the only tier list we can really accept: the other alternatives either have dubious sources (such as Game8 or EventHubs, if the latter is still a thing) or are just personal tier lists. At least LumiRank has a fully explained algorithm and was done by people with actual credentials, and if there are any super major criticisms (on the level of people criticising Smash 4's first tier list as being too early, which led to many abstaining their vote), it should be mentioned on the tier list's own page. | ||
