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===Physic changes===
*Wavedashing and L-canceling returned.
*Increased hitstun.
*Forward smashing with the Home Run Bat takes much less start up time.

===Character changes from SSBB to SSB4 (buffs and nerfs)===
===Mario===
Buffs
*Down smash has significantly increased power.
*Up smash is slightly stronger.
*Mario Tornado is his Down Special again and now gains hight if the B button is push quickly.
*The hight gained from Super Jump Punch was increased.

===Donkey Kong===
Buffs
*Giant Punch is stronger along with improved reach.
*Fair meteor smash is slightly stronger.
Nerfs
*Spinning Kong travels slightly less vertically.

===Link===
Buffs
*Spin Attack travels farther horizontally and vertically.
*Air speed was increased.
*Up smash is more powerful.

===Samus===
Buffs
*Charge Shot is significantly stronger and now KOs under 100%.
*Up air deals slightly more damage.
*Smash attacks are stronger.

===Yoshi===
Buffs
*Fair meteor smash is stronger.
*Down air's damage potential was significantly increased from 35% to 55%.
*Smash attacks are stronger.

===Kirby===
Buffs
*A general increase in the power and speed of his attacks.
*Down tilt can now semi-spike.
*Back air is now fast enough to perform twice in 1 short hop.
*Jump hight and speed was significantly increased and is now the 3rd highest.
*The first 2 kicks of his forward air have low set knockback, meaning that it always link in to each other at any damage.
*Kirby can Kirbycide with large and heavy characters again.
*Kirby can now wall jump.
*Walking and dashing speed was increased.
*Forward smash and down throw have less ending lag.
*Vertical endurance was slightly improved.
*Kirby's back air is now a Wall of Pain technique. 
*Traction was increased.
*Air speed was significantly increased and is now the 3rd fastest.
*Final Cutter travels slightly farther horizontally, and much more vertically and can now grab a ledge from behind. The meteor smash produced has knockback scaling (38.57). It also grants him invincibility frames when used.

===Fox===
Buffs
*A general increase in the power of his attacks.
*Air speed was slightly increased.
*Back air has less ending lag.
*Fox sustains less knockback in SSB4.

===Pikachu===
Buffs
*Down aerial can now meteor smash.
*Up smash is slightly stronger.
*Up air can now semi-spike and is stronger.

===Luigi===
Buffs
*Down air is much easier to meteor smash with.
*The hight gained from Super Jump Punch was increased.
*Forward air is stronger.
*Down tilt is easier to meteor smash.
Nerfs
*Nair was weakened significantly.

===Captain Falcon===
Buffs
*A general increase in the power and speed of his attacks.
*Airborne Falcon Kick can now meteor smash.
*Vertical endurance was slightly improved.
*Traction was improved.

===Ness===
Buffs
*A general increase in the speed and reach of his attacks.
*Up throw is slightly stonger.

===Jigglypuff===
Buffs
*Smashes are more powerful.
*Rest is significantly stronger (it can now KO under 25%).
*Up and back airs are stronger.
*Down air can now meteor smash at higher damages.
*Jigglypuff's Wall of Pain is notably more effective.

===Falco===
Buffs
*Forward smash and down tilt are stronger.
*Dashing speed was increased.
*Air speed was slightly increased.
*Fire Bird travels slightly farther, improving it's recovery capabilities.
*Back air is slightly stronger.

===Marth===
Buffs
*A longer sword has resulted in a general increase in the reach of his attacks.
*Dashing speed and grab range were slightly increased.
*The sweetspot size of Marth's attacks (the tipper) was increased. (most notably down aerial)
*Aerials are stronger when tipped.

===Bowser===
Buffs
*Forward smash is slightly stonger.
*Whirling Fortrest travels farther horizontally.
Nerfs
*A general decrease in the speed of his attacks.

===Ganondorf===
Buffs
*Up tilt is stronger.
*Up and down smashes are stronger.
*Forward smash has increased damage and knockback when angled upward.
*Back air is stronger.
*Dark Dive deals more damage and has increased power.

===Ike===
*New up aerial has significantly improved vertical reach.
*Down air meteor smash is slightly stronger.

===Character dashing speeds===
{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
! Rank!!Character
|- 
|'''1'''||[[Sonic (SSBB)|Sonic]]
|- 
|'''2'''||[[Captain Falcon (SSBB)|Captain Falcon]]
|- 
|'''3'''||[[Fox (SSBB)|Fox]]
|- 
|'''4'''-'''5'''||[[Sheik (SSBB)|Sheik]] and [[Zero Suit Samus (SSBB)|Zero Suit Samus]]
|-
|'''6'''||[[Meta Knight (SSBB)|Meta Knight]]
|- 
|'''7'''-'''8'''||[[Charizard (SSBB)|Charizard]] and [[Pikachu (SSBB)|Pikachu]]
|- 
|'''9'''-'''10'''||[[Diddy Kong (SSBB)|Diddy Kong]] and [[Marth (SSBB)|Marth]]
|- 
|'''11'''||[[Yoshi (SSBB)|Yoshi]]
|- 
|'''12'''-'''15'''||[[Kirby (SSBB)|Kirby]], [[Toon Link (SSBB)|Toon Link]], and [[Donkey Kong (SSBB)|Donkey Kong]], and [[Pit (SSBB)|Pit]]
|- 
|'''16'''||[[Mr. Game and Watch (SSBB)|Mr. Game & Watch]]
|-
|'''17'''-'''21'''||[[Lucas (SSBB)|Lucas]], [[R.O.B. (SSBB)|R.O.B.]], [[Bowser (SSBB)|Bowser]], [[Ivysaur (SSBB)|Ivysaur]], and [[Mario (SSBB)|Mario]] 
|- 
|'''22'''||[[Samus (SSBB)|Samus]]
|- 
|'''23'''-'''24'''||[[Lucario (SSBB)|Lucario]] and [[Falco (SSBB)|Falco]]
|- 
|'''25'''-'''28'''||[[Olimar (SSBB)|Olimar]], [[Ness (SSBB)|Ness]], [[Wolf (SSBB)|Wolf]], and [[Ice Climbers (SSBB)|Ice Climbers]]
|- 
|'''29'''-'''30'''||[[Ike (SSBB)|Ike]], and [[Squirtle (SSBB)|Squirtle]]
|- 
|'''31'''-'''35'''||[[Wario (SSBB)|Wario]], [[Peach (SSBB)|Peach]], [[Snake (SSBB)|Snake]], [[Luigi (SSBB)|Luigi]], and [[Link (SSBB)|Link]]
|- 
|'''36'''-'''37'''||[[King Dedede (SSBB)|King Dedede]] and [[Zelda (SSBB)|Zelda]]
|- 
|'''38'''||[[Ganondorf (SSBB)|Ganondorf]]
|- 
|'''39'''||[[Jigglypuff (SSBB)|Jigglypuff]]
|}
===Character air speeds===
{|class="wikitable sortable" style="margin:1em auto 1em auto; text-align:center"
!Rank!!Character!!Air speed
|-
|'''1'''||{{SSBB|Yoshi}}||1.275
|-
|'''2'''||{{SSBB|Jigglypuff}}||1.270
|-
|'''3'''||{{SSBB|Kirby}}||1.267
|-
|'''4'''||{{SSBB|Captain Falcon}}||1.254
|-
|'''5'''||{{SSBB|Wario}}||1.38
|-
|'''6'''||{{SSBB|Sonic}}||1.1092
|-
|'''7'''||{{SSBB|Donkey Kong}}||1.082
|-
|'''8'''||{{SSBB|Squirtle}}||1.081
|-
|'''9'''||{{SSBB|Mr. Game and Watch}}||1.080
|-
|'''10'''||{{SSBB|Lucas}}||1.05
|-
|'''11-13'''||{{SSBB|Bowser}}||1.034
|-
|'''11-13'''||{{SSBB|Zero Suit Samus}}||1.034
|-
|'''11-13'''||{{SSBB|Marth}}||1.034
|-
|'''14-17'''||{{SSBB|Zelda}}||0.987
|-
|'''14-17'''||{{SSBB|Samus}}||0.987
|-
|'''14-17'''||{{SSBB|Charizard}}||0.987
|-
|'''14-17'''||{{SSBB|Lucario}}||0.987
|-
|'''18'''||{{SSBB|Ness}}||0.9588
|-
|'''19-21'''||{{SSBB|Mario}}||0.94
|-
|'''19-21'''||{{SSBB|Toon Link}}||0.94
|-
|'''19-21'''||{{SSBB|Snake}}||0.94
|-
|'''22'''||{{SSBB|Ike}}||0.9212
|-
|'''23'''||{{SSBB|Pikachu}}||0.9110
|-
|'''24'''||{{SSBB|Fox}}||0.9
|-
|'''25'''||{{SSBB|Falco}}||0.899
|-
|'''26'''||{{SSBB|Pit}}||0.895
|-
|'''27'''||{{SSBB|Link}}||0.894
|-
|'''28'''||{{SSBB|Wolf}}||0.85
|-
|'''29'''||{{SSBB|R.O.B.}}||0.83
|-
|'''30'''||{{SSBB|Peach}}||0.864
|-
|'''31'''||{{SSBB|Sheik}}||0.846
|-
|'''32'''||{{SSBB|Diddy Kong}}||0.8272
|-
|'''33'''||{{SSBB|Olimar}}||0.82
|-
|'''34'''||{{SSBB|Ganondorf}}||0.8084
|-
|'''35'''||{{SSBB|Ice Climbers}}||0.7708
|-
|'''36'''||{{SSBB|Meta Knight}}||0.757
|-
|'''37'''||{{SSBB|Ivysaur}}||0.752
|-
|'''38'''||{{SSBB|Luigi}}||0.750
|-
|'''39'''||{{SSBB|King Dedede}}||0.660
|}
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-==If 1.1.8 were to come out...==
+===Physic changes===
-I'd want these changes.
+*Wavedashing and L-canceling returned.
+*Increased hitstun.
+*Forward smashing with the Home Run Bat takes much less start up time.
-=='''Kirby'''==
+===Character changes from SSBB to SSB4 (buffs and nerfs)===
-===Attributes===
+===Mario===
-*{{buff|Traction is slightly increased (0.0493 → 0.0582).}}
+Buffs
-*{{buff|Walking speed is faster (0.93 → 0.95).}}
+*Down smash has significantly increased power.
-*{{buff|Air speed is faster (0.8 → 0.87).}}
+*Up smash is slightly stronger.
-===Ground attacks===
+*Mario Tornado is his Down Special again and now gains hight if the B button is push quickly.
-*{{buff|Neutral attack's first hit has an altered angle (55° → 361°), restoring it's ability to lock.}}
+*The hight gained from Super Jump Punch was increased.
-*{{buff|Forward smash has less start up (frame 13 → 12).}}
-*{{buff|Up smash has less start up (frame 14 → 11).}}
-*{{buff|Down smash now semi-spikes at the tips (angle 69° → 31°).}}
-===Aerial attacks===
-*{{buff|Up and forward air have less ending lag (up (frame 40 → 36), forward (frame 48 → 45)).}}
-*{{buff|Back air has less landing lag (frame 17 → 12).}}
-*{{buff|Down air has less start (frame 18 → 12).}}
-===Throws and other attacks===
-*{{buff|Down throw much less base knockback (60 → 35) and has an altered angle 63° → 81, giving it potential follow ups at very low percents.}}
-=='''Sonic'''==
+===Donkey Kong===
-===Attributes===
+Buffs
-*{{buff|Traction is slightly increased (0.06 → 0.065).}}
+*Giant Punch is stronger along with improved reach.
-===Aerial attacks===
+*Fair meteor smash is slightly stronger.
-*{{buff|Neutral air has less landing lag (frame 16 → 12).}}
+Nerfs
-*{{buff|Back air has less start up (frame 13 → 11), ending lag (FAF 38 → 36), less landing lag (frame 30 → 24) and autocancels earlier (frame 33 → 31).}}
+*Spinning Kong travels slightly less vertically.
-*{{buff|Down air has less landing lag (frame 38 → 30) and meteor smashes during it's early hitboxes.}}
-===Throws and other attacks===
-*{{buff|Back throw has slightly increased knockback growth (79 → 83), slightly improving its KO potential.}}
-=='''Luigi'''==
+===Link===
-===Aerial attacks===
+Buffs
-*{{buff|Back aerial has less ending lag (FAF 46 → 42)}}
+*Spin Attack travels farther horizontally and vertically.
+*Air speed was increased.
+*Up smash is more powerful.
-==Mario's losing MUs==
+===Samus===
-(My opinion)
+Buffs
-*Cloud
+*Charge Shot is significantly stronger and now KOs under 100%.
-*Corrin
+*Up air deals slightly more damage.
-*Lucina
+*Smash attacks are stronger.
-*Marth
-*Mewtwo
-*Rosalina & Luma
-*Sonic
-*Zero Suit Samus
-==Sonic's losing MUs==
+===Yoshi===
-(Again, my opinion)
+Buffs
-*Bayonetta
+*Fair meteor smash is stronger.
-*Cloud
+*Down air's damage potential was significantly increased from 35% to 55%.
-*Lucario
+*Smash attacks are stronger.
-*Olimar
-*Pikachu
-*Toon Link
-==Kirby's losing MUs==
+===Kirby===
-(Opinion)
+Buffs
-*Bayonetta
+*A general increase in the power and speed of his attacks.
-*Cloud
+*Down tilt can now semi-spike.
-*Corrin
+*Back air is now fast enough to perform twice in 1 short hop.
-*Diddy Kong
+*Jump hight and speed was significantly increased and is now the 3rd highest.
-*Lucario
+*The first 2 kicks of his forward air have low set knockback, meaning that it always link in to each other at any damage.
-*Lucina
+*Kirby can Kirbycide with large and heavy characters again.
-*Luigi
+*Kirby can now wall jump.
-*Mario
+*Walking and dashing speed was increased.
-*Marth
+*Forward smash and down throw have less ending lag.
-*Mega Man
+*Vertical endurance was slightly improved.
-*Meta Knight
+*Kirby's back air is now a Wall of Pain technique.
-*Mewtwo
+*Traction was increased.
-*Pikachu
+*Air speed was significantly increased and is now the 3rd fastest.
-*Rosalina & Luma
+*Final Cutter travels slightly farther horizontally, and much more vertically and can now grab a ledge from behind. The meteor smash produced has knockback scaling (38.57). It also grants him invincibility frames when used.
-*Sonic
-*Toon Link
+===Fox===
-*Villager
+Buffs
-*Yoshi
+*A general increase in the power of his attacks.
+*Air speed was slightly increased.
+*Back air has less ending lag.
+*Fox sustains less knockback in SSB4.
+===Pikachu===
+Buffs
+*Down aerial can now meteor smash.
+*Up smash is slightly stronger.
+*Up air can now semi-spike and is stronger.
+===Luigi===
+Buffs
+*Down air is much easier to meteor smash with.
+*The hight gained from Super Jump Punch was increased.
+*Forward air is stronger.
+*Down tilt is easier to meteor smash.
+Nerfs
+*Nair was weakened significantly.
+===Captain Falcon===
+Buffs
+*A general increase in the power and speed of his attacks.
+*Airborne Falcon Kick can now meteor smash.
+*Vertical endurance was slightly improved.
+*Traction was improved.
+===Ness===
+Buffs
+*A general increase in the speed and reach of his attacks.
+*Up throw is slightly stonger.
+===Jigglypuff===
+Buffs
+*Smashes are more powerful.
+*Rest is significantly stronger (it can now KO under 25%).
+*Up and back airs are stronger.
+*Down air can now meteor smash at higher damages.
+*Jigglypuff's Wall of Pain is notably more effective.
+===Falco===
+Buffs
+*Forward smash and down tilt are stronger.
+*Dashing speed was increased.
+*Air speed was slightly increased.
+*Fire Bird travels slightly farther, improving it's recovery capabilities.
+*Back air is slightly stronger.
+===Marth===
+Buffs
+*A longer sword has resulted in a general increase in the reach of his attacks.
+*Dashing speed and grab range were slightly increased.
+*The sweetspot size of Marth's attacks (the tipper) was increased. (most notably down aerial)
+*Aerials are stronger when tipped.
+===Bowser===
+Buffs
+*Forward smash is slightly stonger.
+*Whirling Fortrest travels farther horizontally.
+Nerfs
+*A general decrease in the speed of his attacks.
+===Ganondorf===
+Buffs
+*Up tilt is stronger.
+*Up and down smashes are stronger.
+*Forward smash has increased damage and knockback when angled upward.
+*Back air is stronger.
+*Dark Dive deals more damage and has increased power.
+===Ike===
+*New up aerial has significantly improved vertical reach.
+*Down air meteor smash is slightly stronger.
+===Character dashing speeds===
+{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
+! Rank!!Character
+|-
+|'''1'''||[[Sonic (SSBB)|Sonic]]
+|-
+|'''2'''||[[Captain Falcon (SSBB)|Captain Falcon]]
+|-
+|'''3'''||[[Fox (SSBB)|Fox]]
+|-
+|'''4'''-'''5'''||[[Sheik (SSBB)|Sheik]] and [[Zero Suit Samus (SSBB)|Zero Suit Samus]]
+|-
+|'''6'''||[[Meta Knight (SSBB)|Meta Knight]]
+|-
+|'''7'''-'''8'''||[[Charizard (SSBB)|Charizard]] and [[Pikachu (SSBB)|Pikachu]]
+|-
+|'''9'''-'''10'''||[[Diddy Kong (SSBB)|Diddy Kong]] and [[Marth (SSBB)|Marth]]
+|-
+|'''11'''||[[Yoshi (SSBB)|Yoshi]]
+|-
+|'''12'''-'''15'''||[[Kirby (SSBB)|Kirby]], [[Toon Link (SSBB)|Toon Link]], and [[Donkey Kong (SSBB)|Donkey Kong]], and [[Pit (SSBB)|Pit]]
+|-
+|'''16'''||[[Mr. Game and Watch (SSBB)|Mr. Game & Watch]]
+|-
+|'''17'''-'''21'''||[[Lucas (SSBB)|Lucas]], [[R.O.B. (SSBB)|R.O.B.]], [[Bowser (SSBB)|Bowser]], [[Ivysaur (SSBB)|Ivysaur]], and [[Mario (SSBB)|Mario]]
+|-
+|'''22'''||[[Samus (SSBB)|Samus]]
+|-
+|'''23'''-'''24'''||[[Lucario (SSBB)|Lucario]] and [[Falco (SSBB)|Falco]]
+|-
+|'''25'''-'''28'''||[[Olimar (SSBB)|Olimar]], [[Ness (SSBB)|Ness]], [[Wolf (SSBB)|Wolf]], and [[Ice Climbers (SSBB)|Ice Climbers]]
+|-
+|'''29'''-'''30'''||[[Ike (SSBB)|Ike]], and [[Squirtle (SSBB)|Squirtle]]
+|-
+|'''31'''-'''35'''||[[Wario (SSBB)|Wario]], [[Peach (SSBB)|Peach]], [[Snake (SSBB)|Snake]], [[Luigi (SSBB)|Luigi]], and [[Link (SSBB)|Link]]
+|-
+|'''36'''-'''37'''||[[King Dedede (SSBB)|King Dedede]] and [[Zelda (SSBB)|Zelda]]
+|-
+|'''38'''||[[Ganondorf (SSBB)|Ganondorf]]
+|-
+|'''39'''||[[Jigglypuff (SSBB)|Jigglypuff]]
+|}
+===Character air speeds===
+{|class="wikitable sortable" style="margin:1em auto 1em auto; text-align:center"
+!Rank!!Character!!Air speed
+|-
+|'''1'''||{{SSBB|Yoshi}}||1.275
+|-
+|'''2'''||{{SSBB|Jigglypuff}}||1.270
+|-
+|'''3'''||{{SSBB|Kirby}}||1.267
+|-
+|'''4'''||{{SSBB|Captain Falcon}}||1.254
+|-
+|'''5'''||{{SSBB|Wario}}||1.38
+|-
+|'''6'''||{{SSBB|Sonic}}||1.1092
+|-
+|'''7'''||{{SSBB|Donkey Kong}}||1.082
+|-
+|'''8'''||{{SSBB|Squirtle}}||1.081
+|-
+|'''9'''||{{SSBB|Mr. Game and Watch}}||1.080
+|-
+|'''10'''||{{SSBB|Lucas}}||1.05
+|-
+|'''11-13'''||{{SSBB|Bowser}}||1.034
+|-
+|'''11-13'''||{{SSBB|Zero Suit Samus}}||1.034
+|-
+|'''11-13'''||{{SSBB|Marth}}||1.034
+|-
+|'''14-17'''||{{SSBB|Zelda}}||0.987
+|-
+|'''14-17'''||{{SSBB|Samus}}||0.987
+|-
+|'''14-17'''||{{SSBB|Charizard}}||0.987
+|-
+|'''14-17'''||{{SSBB|Lucario}}||0.987
+|-
+|'''18'''||{{SSBB|Ness}}||0.9588
+|-
+|'''19-21'''||{{SSBB|Mario}}||0.94
+|-
+|'''19-21'''||{{SSBB|Toon Link}}||0.94
+|-
+|'''19-21'''||{{SSBB|Snake}}||0.94
+|-
+|'''22'''||{{SSBB|Ike}}||0.9212
+|-
+|'''23'''||{{SSBB|Pikachu}}||0.9110
+|-
+|'''24'''||{{SSBB|Fox}}||0.9
+|-
+|'''25'''||{{SSBB|Falco}}||0.899
+|-
+|'''26'''||{{SSBB|Pit}}||0.895
+|-
+|'''27'''||{{SSBB|Link}}||0.894
+|-
+|'''28'''||{{SSBB|Wolf}}||0.85
+|-
+|'''29'''||{{SSBB|R.O.B.}}||0.83
+|-
+|'''30'''||{{SSBB|Peach}}||0.864
+|-
+|'''31'''||{{SSBB|Sheik}}||0.846
+|-
+|'''32'''||{{SSBB|Diddy Kong}}||0.8272
+|-
+|'''33'''||{{SSBB|Olimar}}||0.82
+|-
+|'''34'''||{{SSBB|Ganondorf}}||0.8084
+|-
+|'''35'''||{{SSBB|Ice Climbers}}||0.7708
+|-
+|'''36'''||{{SSBB|Meta Knight}}||0.757
+|-
+|'''37'''||{{SSBB|Ivysaur}}||0.752
+|-
+|'''38'''||{{SSBB|Luigi}}||0.750
+|-
+|'''39'''||{{SSBB|King Dedede}}||0.660
+|}
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