Editing Template talk:Welcome

Since we have a separate IP welcome template, should we take out the part that relates to signing in/creating a username? [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="slategray">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="slategray">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:Yes; chances are, the person has an account and is logged on when this template is put up (I noticed that this is put up when a new user makes a contribution), so the creating a username part should be taken out. '''[[User:Fried beef1|<font color="firebrick">Fried</font><font color="forestgreen">beef</font><font color="goldenrod">1</font>]] [[User talk:Fried beef1|<span style="color:amethyst"><span style="font-size: 60%">Ho ho ho!</span></span>]]''' 03:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Should we put [[Image:Button_sig.png]] in it so new users can know what it is so they can sign their post easier?'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 01:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

:Overkill. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 02:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

::You love shutting me down, don't you :| '''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 03:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Only on every day ending with the word "day". --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 03:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, that's not '''too''' much.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 03:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

If <nowiki>{{{1}}} and {{{2}}}</nowiki> are the same, can they merged into just one selection, or no? <font color="Crimson">Thanks, '''TimeMaster''' [[User talk:TimeMaster|Talk]] [[User:TimeMaster|Main]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|Contribs]]</font> 23:17, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>{{1}} is the welcomer's username; {{2}} can be their signature --> different.</nowiki> [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="forestgreen"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lime">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lime">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 00:55, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

:Cool, I have a custom signature, for two months ago.  Thanks for telling me that. <font color="Crimson">Thanks, '''TimeMaster''' [[User talk:TimeMaster|Talk]] [[User:TimeMaster|Main]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|Contribs]]</font> 01:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== WTF ==

How come every time I use the template, it goes horribly wrong and shoves my username into it? <span style="color:gray">'''SD706</span>/<span style="color:red">F</span>n<span style="color:blue">W'''</span> -  <small>([[User:Silverdragon706|U]]•[[User talk:Silverdragon706|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Silverdragon706|C]] )</small> 01:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>{{subst:welcome|Silverdragon706|~~~~}}</nowiki> Just use that. And fix it to the way it was before you started editing it.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 01:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== Welcome vs Welcome IP ==

The line about creating an account needs to be removed - that's only appropriate if the user is an IP, and there's actually a separate template for that. This was fleetingly discussed in December, but nothing was actually done about it. I think that the entire line should be removed. At the moment the template doesn't really make sense, which isn't doesn't create the best first impression for a new user. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 10:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
==An IRC link?==
IRC would keep the user busy and it's better to include it (If you want to talk about unrelated stuff, use SW:IRC). Most people who welcome don't bother to do this like me, so can we include an IRC link, and maybe a Freenode link and how to use it?--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 02:13, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
:As much as getting users on the IRC for conversations is a good thing, I think in this case it's not a great idea.  When a new contributor shows up, it is more important that they get comfortable with the editing of this wiki.  Once they start conversations, we can mention to them that it might be better to take some conversations to the IRC.  But new contributors shouldn't feel like they can't ask about editing, and I worry that telling them to talk to the user that put up the welcome template on the IRC will do just that.  We should let them figure out SmashWiki, then get them involved on the IRC.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 04:21, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

== Coupla changes ==

*"and thank you for your contributions": This template's often put on the talkpages of users who've yet to... make any contributions.
*"Please sign in, if you haven't already, and create a user name! It's free, and it'll help you keep track of all your edits. See Help:Why create an account for more info on creating an account": Only given to users who've made an account, so this is unnecessary.
Any ideas as to what to replace these with? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:33, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
:We could probably just take those out. The rest of it will still make sense. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 21:35, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
	You aren't logged in. While it's not a requirement to create an account, doing so makes it a lot easier to keep track of your edits and a lot harder to confuse you with someone else. If you edit without being logged in, your IP address will be recorded in the page's edit history.
	Log in	Create account
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 Should we put [[Image:Button_sig.png]] in it so new users can know what it is so they can sign their post easier?'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 01:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
-:Overkill. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 02:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
+:Overkill. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 02:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 ::You love shutting me down, don't you :| '''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 03:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
-:::Only on every day ending with the word "day". --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 03:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
+:::Only on every day ending with the word "day". --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 03:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 ::::Oh, that's not '''too''' much.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 03:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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 Any ideas as to what to replace these with? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:33, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
 :We could probably just take those out. The rest of it will still make sense. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 21:35, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
-== Automated ==
-You guys can create a bot for this, and the welcome extension helps. So whenever someone creates an account it automatically adds it to their talk page, that's what Metroid Wiki does anyways. That'd probably require the Random extension too so that the little signature can randomize between admins or other staff members. [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] ([[User talk:Malake256|talk]]) 17:56, 18 December 2010 (EST)
-:I dislike the idea of welcoming users that haven't done anything yet, and if it's a vandal account a warning is more suited to be the only thing on the talkpage than a welcome and a warning. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] 18:02, 18 December 2010 (EST)
-::[http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Megatron1/Archive_2&diff=337373&oldid=337359 Omega Tyrant] has shown dislike for such a thing and I dislike it as well.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 18:03, 18 December 2010 (EST)
-:::I don't think it appears on IPs, so they'd have to create an account to get the message. And I'm sure most vandals don't register accounts. I never really thought about it that way lol, Metroid Wiki just welcomes everyone in a neat little table, so I got used to seeing it and didn't even think about it while blocking a vandal. [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] ([[User talk:Malake256|talk]]) 18:25, 18 December 2010 (EST)
-== :| ==
-''Please sign in, if you haven't already, and create a user name! It's free, and it'll help you keep track of all your edits. See Help:Why create an account for more info on creating an account.''
-The Welcome template is generally used only on registered users who are logged in, making this part of the template redundant. Remove or no? [[User:Bandit|<span style="background:rgba(0, 0, 255, 0.25);font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(260.5,100%,50%)">Bandit</span>]] 16:22, 20 January 2013 (EST)
-:A different but relevant question would be if it is really necessary to use this template to convince an IP to make an account in the first place. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 01:37, 21 January 2013 (EST)
-== So... ==
-Now that [[SW:FIRST]] has passed, we should add it to the Welcome Template. There are two ways we can go about doing this. We can either add it to the existing links, or use it to replace all of the existing links. I'm more in favor of the latter idea, as it is simpler for new users to just click a single link and it covers what the current welcome template already covers. What do you guys think? <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 19:32, 25 June 2013 (EDT)
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