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I was planning on replacing all the templates with {{t|Special Moves}} (for the reasons given above) but got sidetracked with all my other stuff. If people start replacing the individual templates with this one, then we can get rid of them and everything will be just better. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 19:40, 22 November 2010 (EST)
I was planning on replacing all the templates with {{t|Special Moves}} (for the reasons given above) but got sidetracked with all my other stuff. If people start replacing the individual templates with this one, then we can get rid of them and everything will be just better. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 19:40, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:The reason I was reluctant to jump straight to plonking down {{t|Special Moves}} on each page is that you move the "data drift" from the labels (Side special move, etc) to the actual data - for instance, <nowiki>{{Link Special Moves}}</nowiki> is transcluded on eight separate pages [including each individual move listed]. It doesn't make that much sense to have to edit those later on in eight separate pages - which end up rendered in slightly different ways or linking to different redirects! - if you can enter them once and once only. Entering <nowiki>{{Special Moves|each=individual|move=and so on}}</nowiki> ''on  <nowiki>{{Link Special Moves}}</nowiki>'' standardises both sets of data at centralised locations until a major rewrite of {{t|Special Moves}} to incorporate that data into the template itself can be countenanced. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 20:01, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:The reason I was reluctant to jump straight to plonking down {{t|Special Moves}} on each page is that you move the "data drift" from the labels (Side special move, etc) to the actual data - for instance, <nowiki>{{Link Special Moves}}</nowiki> is transcluded on eight separate pages [including each individual move listed]. It doesn't make that much sense to have to edit those later on in eight separate pages - which end up rendered in slightly different ways or linking to different redirects! - if you can enter them once and once only. Entering <nowiki>{{Special Moves|each=individual|move=and so on}}</nowiki> ''on  {{t|Link Special Moves}}'' standardises both sets of data at centralised locations until a major rewrite of {{t|Special Moves}} to incorporate that data into the template itself can be countenanced. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 20:01, 22 November 2010 (EST)
::Part of the reason I made this in the first place was so we could have the required dissonance to put Boomerang as Link's neutral special on Link (SSB), but as his side special on Link (SSBM) and Link (SSBB), and as both on the Boomerang page itself; without having to do shoehorns like "Brawl only". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 20:26, 22 November 2010 (EST)
::Part of the reason I made this in the first place was so we could have the required dissonance to put Boomerang as Link's neutral special on Link (SSB), but as his side special on Link (SSBM) and Link (SSBB), and as both on the Boomerang page itself; without having to do shoehorns like "Brawl only". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 20:26, 22 November 2010 (EST)


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[I fully admit the original order was haphazard though] - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]])
[I fully admit the original order was haphazard though] - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]])
:GW for Mr. Game & Watch is admittedly the least-used/least-needed abbreviation. That said, if someone sees a template labelled "DK's Special Moves", "ZSS's Special Moves", or "Dedede's Special Moves", I don't think there will be any confusion. I removed the long options ("Samus Aran" etc) because this template isn't (and shouldn't be) used on the pages where we refer to the characters by such names. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 23:50, 27 November 2010 (EST)
:GW for Mr. Game & Watch is admittedly the least-used/least-needed abbreviation. That said, if someone sees a template labelled "DK's Special Moves", "ZSS's Special Moves", or "Dedede's Special Moves", I don't think there will be any confusion. I removed the long options ("Samus Aran" etc) because this template isn't (and shouldn't be) used on the pages where we refer to the characters by such names. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 23:50, 27 November 2010 (EST)
== Game distinction suggestion ==
Maybe we could use icons instead of abbreviations in parentheses? I think it would look nicer, as well as more compact. - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 05:46, 9 April 2014 (EDT)
I have made a complete overhaul of this template, which incorporates icons and makes it more clear which moves are unknown/unconfirmed as of this time. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 17:14, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
:On a related note, maybe the icons should link to the character's pages instead of the games. &ndash; [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]] 02:07, 29 November 2014 (EST)
== Is it relevant to have moves from other games? ==
Well to clarify, if someone is reading Mario's Brawl profile, do they really need to see his Melee specials? No, they'd go to his Melee profile for those moves. Anyway, I was trying to make it so that it would be game dependent, but I messed up somewhere. I think I'd try the sandbox first. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 01:26, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
: The template doesn't appear on any character page. - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 05:03, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
:Yeah this template should only be appearing on the special move pages themselves, where it is relevant to show the games each move is in. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quintonic 09:57, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
:Well okay the template is ''currently'' on a bunch of character pages, but that's only because those pages have yet to have {{t|MovesetTable}} added. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Aurum 10:03, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
Sorry, I've seen some characters with the special moves template. I'll try to replace them with the moveset table. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 12:24, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
== SSB4 specials ==
Should all of their specials be in this template, or just the default variants? - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 05:29, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
:Probably just the defaults. The customized moves can be in a seperate one. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 11:27, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
We [[Forum:Organization of special move variations|discussed elsewhere]] that most variant special moves shouldn't have separate pages, so linking to them in this template is pointless. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The SMASH-GINEER 11:29, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
== Palutena and Mii Fighters ==
Using the current template, it would be difficult to make the twelve special moves of characters like Palutena look nice when and if they returned. Could we tweak the template (or maybe make a new one) to allow more rows for those characters specifically without affecting the other characters? [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 19:05, 20 May 2015 (EDT)
== Ice Climbers ==
Is there a way this template (and {{t|MvSubNavBase}}) can be coded to correctly spell "Climbers's" as "Climbers'"? <span style="font-family:Formata Regular">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 21:17, January 23, 2021 (EST)
:Using #switch should work. Change <code><nowiki>'s</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>'{{#switch:{{{char|Character}}}|Ness|Lucas|Samus|Dark Samus|Zero Suit Samus|Ice Climbers=|#default=s}}</nowiki></code>. Swap the default char value to Mario on the other one for consistency. These are important templates so I'm not sure if I should do it or wait for an admin. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 21:38, January 23, 2021 (EST)

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