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| Can we find a less messily wide layout for this? I was thinking a 13-column layout would be a good layout for the first few tiers, but it's messier for the lower tiers... [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:55, 1 March 2017 (EST)
| | #REDIRECT [[Template talk:SSB4Tiers/2]] |
| :17 wide, Parentheses equal fillers
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| ::S and A: (2) + 4 + (1) + 8 + (2)
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| ::B: (3) + 11 + (3)
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| ::C: (3) + 11 + (3)
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| ::D and E: 6 + 11
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| ::F: (5) + 7 + (5)
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| :Try that? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:31, 1 March 2017 (EST)
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| ::Funny, that's the same layout I had in mind. I just didn't know how to put it in. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Dragon Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 23:34, 1 March 2017 (EST)
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| ::Sounds good in theory. Let's see what it looks like. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 23:36, 1 March 2017 (EST)
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| ::[http://i.imgur.com/0tAKaC4.png] <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 23:59, 1 March 2017 (EST)
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| ::I am unsure. Idk about anyone else, but I think it looks a little awkward. Not sure if there is any avoiding that though. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:03, 2 March 2017 (EST)
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| :::It is a little awkward, but I don't see a better approach at the moment. The large size of the B, C, and E tiers sets a hard minimum of 11 wide, and >20 is definitely undesirably wide. This'll work. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:54, 2 March 2017 (EST)
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| == Ties ==
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| The SmashBoards article for the fourth tier list says:
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| ''"For the sake of placement differences between lists, we have given tied spots to characters whose average scores differed by less than 0.1."''
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| This template needs to be changed to match the tier list. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 20:59, 11 December 2017 (EST)
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| :Feel free. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 21:01, 11 December 2017 (EST)
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| ::I'm fairly sure they only meant for those "ties" to matter when comparing placement differences between tier lists, not for rankings in the actual list itself. Otherwise it would have been made more evident that ties existed. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 21:42, 11 December 2017 (EST)
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| ::I'll be reverting the addition of these "ties" unless someone can find evidence that they're supposed to be used beyond historical comparison. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Steppin' 06:26, 13 December 2017 (EST)
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| :::While they didn't put much emphasis on these ties, I don't know why they would only apply when comparing to other versions. Maybe I can get an answer from someone who was a part of making the tier list, if that counts. When they said "ties" (or "pairs"), I just assumed they meant ties. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 14:43, 13 December 2017 (EST)
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| ==More compact fourth tier list==
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| Here is a more compact fourth tier list. The upside is that it is shorter and has much less blank area, making it look neater. The downside is that it's wide and loses the distinction that the first row was top tier, second was high tier, third was mid tier, and fourth was low tier, but those groupings were subjective on the fourth tier list anyway. --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 19:25, 12 December 2017 (EST)
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| :When it comes to tables like this, width is generally regarded as more important than height (because people expect to have to scroll down, but not sideways). So I don't think this change is necessary. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Awesome 06:25, 13 December 2017 (EST)
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| ==Mega Man==
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| Mega Man's picture is missing from #27. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:107.181.176.108|107.181.176.108]] ([[User talk:107.181.176.108|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/107.181.176.108|contribs]]) {{{2}}}</small>
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| :Might just be an issue on your end. It shows up perfectly fine for me. Also, please remember to sign your comments with four tildes, "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>". [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 03:13, 15 September 2018 (EDT)
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