Editing Template talk:Infobox Character General

==I removed that irrelevant crap==
But there's a problem. Look at [[Mario]]'s page; there is something on the right and it appears to be a result of disruption. Please help? <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 03:32, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
:Is the disruption you're speaking of is the Japanese voice actor section, where it just says {{{japanactor}}}? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 12:07, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
::Well, that is now the problem; on pages such as [[Gordo]], there appears {{{japanactor}}} even though the code has been removed. Could someone fix that? <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 23:03, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
On my computer this template adds in an extra }} after it on every page. I cant immediately see where this comes from on the page but it needs to be fixed [[User:Oni Dark Link|<font color="#66FFFF">Oni]]</font> [[Special:Editcount/Oni Dark Link|<font color="#7F007F">Dark ]]</font> [[User:Oni Dark Link/Curiosity Trading one or two?|<font color="#007A00">Link]]</font> 15:50, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] 15:57, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

::Um, apparently some users can't take a hint and keep putting that nonsense back up here. I'm removing that stuff again until a user gives me a logical reason why we should keep it. <font face="sand" color="silver"><choose><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#ff2000">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="008080">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#BF00FF">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#3FFF00">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="black">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option></choose> ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">C</font>]][[User Talk:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">T</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">E</font>]])</font> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100907023417/pirate-team/images/6/63/PAT1-19px.png 23:19, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

== Series symbol in template ==

People seem to be debating whether the general character pages should have the subject's series symbol floating to the top left of the article text. Should we put it in the template (below the caption) instead? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Superlative 10:03, 17 November 2012 (EST)
:Yeah they should be below the caption like on the articles with those characters playable.[[User:Brawls of fury|Brawls of fury ]] ([[User talk:Brawls of fury|talk]]) 17:56, 17 November 2012 (EST)
:Definitely. It looks much, much better aesthetically. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] a real nowhere man 17:05, 20 November 2012 (EST)
::Below caption, since stages have that as well. --[[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 17:51, 22 November 2012 (EST)
:Can we start doing this? [[User:Brawls of fury|Brawls of fury ]] ([[User talk:Brawls of fury|talk]]) 16:58, 26 November 2012 (EST)
:...So yes? [[User:Brawls of fury|Brawls of fury ]] ([[User talk:Brawls of fury|talk]]) 16:45, 27 November 2012 (EST)

== Reduction of unnecessary fluff ==

I propose the following:
#Remove the "hair" and "eyes" lines. It should be immediately apparent from the images provided on the page.
#Remove the "homeworld" line. In most cases it provides little relevant information, and in several terminology has to be outright invented.
#Compression of the "creator" and "artist" lines.
#Compression of the voice actor lines into one line that lists who voices them in Smash. We don't need to list every person who has ever provided that character's voice in their home series.
#Not using this template on Assist Trophy character pages, and instead implementing a simpler infobox specifically for Assist Trophies who don't need this much detail. (Additionally, AT pages should use their Smash artwork in their infoboxes, not original-series artwork like playable characters).
Thoughts? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:52, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
:I agree with most of this, though I also think the voice actor line is dumb and needs to go. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Sphere 10:38, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
:'''Oppose Some of It''' 
#"Hair" and "eyes" is admittedly fluff-ish, but it really isn't too irrelevant to place on this template, in my opinion.
#"Homeworld" is a rather important section, in my opinion. The only terminology we ever really had to invent was for Villager and Rosalina (and even then, claiming to have "invented" these names is kinda pushing it.) 
#"Creator" and "artist" should be compressed.
#"I agree with your voice actor proposal.
#We already use {{t|AssistTrophy}} for Assist Trophies. It is much simpler, and it has a pretty good amount of info in it, without looking overwhelming. Also, I think that series-artwork looks better than Smash artwork for them. I don't really see why we would want to have just the Smash-artwork. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 12:09, 17 May 2014 (EDT)

Sometimes people debate about the hair and eyes. [[Rosalina]] is an example of when we debated about whether she has blue eyes or green eyes. C'mon, they're obviously blue. They are only slightly lighter than Mario's and they are no where near Sonic's. And I don't like that "opal" compromise because no one knows the color opal. It's just some variation of blue which is a natural eye color. When I see a character that has eyes close enough to natural eye colors, I'd rather have the simple color instead of some advanced variation. We'd might as well consider Peach's hair to be yellow instead of blonde. Nintendo meant Rosalina to be the color of the sky (blue). If we can't figure out whether something is blue or green, might as well leave it out of the template. Homeworld is pretty much debatable too. A lot of characters are from Earth. Sonic's homeworld of Mobius is only canon to the comics and cartoons. His games take place on Earth. Homeworld should probably be merged with universe. I've already removed some non-Smash voice actors so that should be justified. We do have an infobox for assist trophies. I think what really needs an infobox are the cameos big enough to have pages. [[Slippy Toad]] shouldn't use a general infobox as he's never playable and Otacon isn't an assist trophy. I also think maybe universes that don't have a symbol in the games but had a symbol created for interwiki purposes such as {{uv|Golden Sun}} should use those symbols and we can create more unofficial symbols to universes that don't have them, like Tomachi. However, the unofficial symbols should probably be only created after Smash 4 comes out since you never know if they would add symbols. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 19:43, 17 May 2014 (EDT)

Bringing this back up.
#Remove hair, eyes, and artist. Hair and eyes are really flufflish, and is artist really necessary when we have creator?
#Either remove console of origin or merge it with first appearance. You can click on the game title for a reason, and it would tell you the game's console.
#Compress voice actors to only the Smash actors. Allowing more is begging for unnecessary bloating.
We should preferably settle this before Smash 4 comes out and the huge wave of new characters arrives. [[Image:N64icon.jpg|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Courier; font-size:12pt">[[User:Nintendrone42|<span style="color:orange">intendrone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Nintendrone42|<span style="color:black">42</span>]]</sup></span>''' 16:27, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
:I'm fine with removing hair, eyes, and artist. However, merging "First Appearance" with "Console of Origin"  is a terrible idea in my opinion. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:red">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:blue">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 16:42, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
::Yeah, I wasn't totally sure about the console one, but put it up just in case. [[Image:N64icon.jpg|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Courier; font-size:12pt">[[User:Nintendrone42|<span style="color:orange">intendrone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Nintendrone42|<span style="color:black">42</span>]]</sup></span>''' 16:49, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
:::No problem, but the rest of it sounds good. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:red">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:blue">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 16:51, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

What's the verdict? I agree with Miles; we don't need to describe hair and eye colors, and voice actors should only be from the ''Smash Bros.'' games (though I think that's already the case). <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 21:21, 19 July 2014 (EDT)
:I agree with Miles as well, and I also think artist is unnecessary. [[Image:N64icon.jpg|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Courier; font-size:12pt">[[User:Nintendrone42|<span style="color:orange">intendrone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Nintendrone42|<span style="color:black">42</span>]]</sup></span>''' 21:44, 19 July 2014 (EDT)

So is it time for the final verdict? This talk page seems to be in favor of removing the hair, eyes, and artist lines. Any objections? <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:red">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:blue">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 10:56, 21 July 2014 (EDT)

I left artist because only one person was against it, and I feel it's necessary information for knowing part of what influenced character artwork in the ''Smash Bros.'' games. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 18:06, 25 July 2014 (EDT)

== ''Smash Bros.'' appearances ==

Why on earth is "''Smash Bros.'' appearances" being done using a switch in this template based on the character's name? This is something that should be done using a separate parameter. It actually doesn't currently include Duck Hunt anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:30, 13 November 2014 (EST)

== Most recent game idea ==

How about we move this to a sub-template like the universe row? That way when a new Mario game comes out we only have to edit one page instead of ten, etc. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Altruistic 17:55, 17 September 2015 (EDT)
:It would be much less of a headache. '''Support'''. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: LawnGreen">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:42, 17 September 2015 (EDT)

== "Homeworld" ==

The way the Homeworld section is used on various character pages is terribly inconsistent. Kirby's is Dream Land, which is just a section of his home planet. Mario's is Mushroom Kingdom, which is a country. Olimar's is Hocotate, which is actually a planet. Bayonetta's is Vigrid, which is a fake city in Europe. I feel like we really need to redefine what "Homeworld" is supposed to be. [[User:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:red">Scizor</span>]][[User_talk:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:gray">Steelix</span>]] 01:02, 6 February 2016 (EST)
:I would either drop it entirely or change the label to "Place of origin", which is more appropriately general. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:56, 6 February 2016 (EST)
:I'd support "Place of origin" <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 03:17, 6 February 2016 (EST)
::Works for me. [[User:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:red">Scizor</span>]][[User_talk:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:gray">Steelix</span>]] 08:56, 6 February 2016 (EST)
::Will someone need to change all of the character pages to the new label? If so, I can make that my agenda today. [[User:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:red">Scizor</span>]][[User_talk:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:gray">Steelix</span>]] 11:14, 6 February 2016 (EST)
:::I could help with that. [[User:BaconMaster331|<span style="color: Crimson;">'''Bacon'''</span>]][[User talk:BaconMaster331|<span style="color: Maroon;">'''Master'''</span>]][[File:BaconMasterSig.png]] 11:21, 6 February 2016 (EST)
::::Suffice it to say, I don't want to risk changing the template myself. I think I understand what needs to be done, but I don't want to break it. [[User:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:red">Scizor</span>]][[User_talk:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:gray">Steelix</span>]] 11:47, 6 February 2016 (EST)
:::::I changed the template for you. I made it so you can use either "placeoforigin" or "homeworld" as the parameter, so the pages don't need immediate changing. <font face="Onyx" size="4">'''[[User:TheSilentHero|<font color=#000000>The</font><font color=#008000>Silent</font>]][[User talk:TheSilentHero|<font color=#000000>Hero</font>]]'''</font> 12:36, 6 February 2016 (EST)

== Fighter Numbers ==

This sort of goes along with [[Talk:List of Super Smash_Bros. series characters#Fighter Numbers|my other talking point on the Characters page]].

I think, since SSBU's putting every fighter into a unified order using its numbering system, we should list these numbers in the character information.

We already list information that's less pertinent to Smash than this, like species, gender, and place of origin; so I see no reason why a fighter's official number couldn't be another field on this list.

Vote below! --[[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 17:57, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

=== Yes, put the fighter numbers in the infoboxes ===
# '''Support.''' I mean, it's my own proposal, obviously. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ahemtoday|contribs]]) 17:57, 14 June 2018‎</small>
#Agreed. It is an official way to number them after all. [[User:Master Zach|Master Zach]] ([[User talk:Master Zach|talk]]) 18:02, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
#'''Support'''As used in all ultimate official media, the order to sortering of unlocked characteres follow this and as isn't arbitrary and follow series historic: https://sourcegaming.info/2018/06/14/what-do-smash-ultimates-character-numbers-mean/ [[User:Shideravan|Shideravan]] ([[User talk:Shideravan|talk]]) 19:23, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

=== No, it's not relevant enough ===
#'''Weak oppose.''' As far as I'm concerned, this ordering is only official for Ultimate unless someone finds it in another installment somewhere, and we generally don't list traits only present in one game on this infobox. We could make it an optional field on the game-specific infobox instead. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 18:03, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
#'''No.''' This is primarily the "non-Smash Bros. characteristics" infobox. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Wacko 10:11, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
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 === Yes, put the fighter numbers in the infoboxes ===
-# '''Support.''' I mean, it's my own proposal, obviously. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ahemtoday|contribs]]) 17:57, 14 June 2018</small>
+# '''Support.''' I mean, it's my own proposal, obviously. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ahemtoday|contribs]]) 17:57, 14 June 2018‎</small>
 #Agreed. It is an official way to number them after all. [[User:Master Zach|Master Zach]] ([[User talk:Master Zach|talk]]) 18:02, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
 #'''Support'''As used in all ultimate official media, the order to sortering of unlocked characteres follow this and as isn't arbitrary and follow series historic: https://sourcegaming.info/2018/06/14/what-do-smash-ultimates-character-numbers-mean/ [[User:Shideravan|Shideravan]] ([[User talk:Shideravan|talk]]) 19:23, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
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 #'''Weak oppose.''' As far as I'm concerned, this ordering is only official for Ultimate unless someone finds it in another installment somewhere, and we generally don't list traits only present in one game on this infobox. We could make it an optional field on the game-specific infobox instead. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 18:03, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
 #'''No.''' This is primarily the "non-Smash Bros. characteristics" infobox. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Wacko 10:11, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
-== Should Major Alternate costumes’ image be placed right below the default’s image instead of the gallery or character description? ==
-For example, instead of Female Corrin/Robin being where they currently are, an (Template:Image2, which has since been deleted, was used here.) slot is placed there specifically for certain alternate costumes, such as the ones I just mentioned. I’m presenting a similar arguement as in [[Template:Infobox Character]] [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 02:46, 3 February 2019 (EST)
-:I disagree with making this change, if for no other reason than that the infobox is elongated excessively by stacking the art vertically like that. In my opinion, leaving the alternate images elsewhere on the page would be preferable. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 00:58, 6 February 2019 (EST)
-::I moved this over to the general proposals thread. It seens like the general agreement so far is that it’s fine just as long as we make them tabs. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 01:00, 6 February 2019 (EST)
-== Hammer Bro.  ==
-Since he is an assist trophy, he should have this! [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 02:08, August 24, 2019 (EDT)
-:Please bring this up on the [[Hammer Bro]] talk page [[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 04:40, August 24, 2019 (EDT)
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