Editing Talk:Zero Suit Samus

I doubt Zero Suit Samus is 198lbs, also, her page for her in the power suit says 198lbs, and I doubt that thing is made of gas. Samus' ideal body weight is 176 pounds, and it sould be easy to believe a futuristic suit of alien manufacture weighs only 22 pounds. I will go ahead ad put her weight as 176lbs, if other reviewers see this to be wrong or something please put speculated or something, but she definately is not 198lbs. [[User:SmashingJohn|SmashingJohn]] ([[User talk:SmashingJohn|talk]]) 01:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
:Given her build, I would put her at no more than 160 lbs, but that would be merely an estimate. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 06:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

::Forums, PLZ. '''[[User:Silverdragon706|FyreNWater]]''' -  <small>([[User talk:Silverdragon706|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Silverdragon706|Contributions]] )</small> 07:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

also stated is her hair color has been green and brown, nope, that is just Samus, she has never appeared with non-blond hair while in the Zero Suit, which she first was in the zero suit in 2004. [[User:SmashingJohn|SmashingJohn]] ([[User talk:SmashingJohn|talk]]) 00:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Uhh, should we really mention her ''breasts?'' I don't think its really necessary. Just my opinion.[[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 21:22, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Wait, sorry i read it wrong. It was saying where the lights were, but should we say large? Kind of um... whatever word you want to put in there.[[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 21:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

CAfinator's wording is good.[[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 02:13, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with JtM, but should we say like chest or something ust to say that there's a light on her front?[[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 00:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think we should say breast (not to sick, even though  they're SEXY!) because the cool-looking pink lights are on her breast, not her general chest. Her breasts ARE large, by the way. It might also be the fact that a form-fitting suit hugs them, not muffling their size. [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]])

Reptillius, I know that's you. I read the history.Maybe I should tell a sysop your impersonating Gargomon...[[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 17:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC) 

Really? [[User:Reptiliusofpeace|Reptiliusofpeace]] ([[User talk:Reptiliusofpeace|talk]]) 17:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC) or is it???...

Seeing as in the history, Gargomon hasn't made any edits to this page, and when i check your edits I see that '''YOU''' put Gargomon's signature by typing it in yourself, I think that leaves you withh no other explanation.[[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 17:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I admit it. dundundun...... But Gargomon made ONE edit to this page...I think. [[User:Reptiliusofpeace|Reptiliusofpeace]] ([[User talk:Reptiliusofpeace|talk]]) 17:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

One, about her weight, but not about your perveted views on ZSS.[[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 17:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, they're not opinions, they're the truth. Don't tell me you disagree with me; I'm not perverted. Oh yeah, and I would estimate her weight to be about 145 pounds. [[User:Reptiliusofpeace|Reptiliusofpeace]] ([[User talk:Reptiliusofpeace|talk]]) 17:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
:I may be a self-proffessed pervert, but it's obvious that comment wasn't me. And I can be reasonably sensible most of the time, even so. Also I don't appreciate my name being used like that. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 14:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah; sorry Gargomon, won't happen again. [[User:Reptiliusofpeace|Reptiliusofpeace]] ([[User talk:Reptiliusofpeace|talk]]) 19:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

what the hell is wrong with you people.--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]][[Special:Contributions/kyle.b|<span style="color:blue">(contributions)</span>]]  14:11, 10 May 2011 (EDT)
:Kyle, this discussion is from almost 3 years ago, so you don't have to respond to it.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 14:13, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

::you got too admit though, theres sometn wrong with these guys.--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]][[Special:Contributions/kyle.b|<span style="color:blue">(contributions)</span>]]  14:14, 10 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I don't know, but you really don't have to respond to this. Everyone says that if someone responds to a old discussion, so...--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 14:16, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

::::im really starting to dislike you, ya know that--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]][[Special:Contributions/kyle.b|<span style="color:blue">(contributions)</span>]]  14:17, 10 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well dislike me if you want, I don't care.--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 14:19, 10 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Whatever, i already know exactly what kind of person you are, any way, now get off my back--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]][[Special:Contributions/kyle.b|<span style="color:blue">(contributions)</span>]]  14:21, 10 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::OK, Wold-rulez, After telling him that it is old, you don't need to respond again. Kyle.b, please check the time and date of the last talk page comment before you post and don't blow up at simple things. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 14:33, 10 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Oops, I told it two times!--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 14:35, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

== Artwork ==

The Other M artwork and the Zero Mission artwork should have their spots swapped on the page. The Other M artwork is more recent and should be her main image. I tried to fix it a while ago but it got messed up. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  17:55, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

== T Rating ==

Maybe this is ones of causes that caused brawl to be T For Teen Rated. --[[User:Igor The Mii|Igor The Mii]] ([[User talk:Igor The Mii|talk]]) 17:40, 7 July 2013 (EDT) PK FLASHBOMB
:Except Melee is also rated T. Multiple reasons for Melee and Brawl to be considered rated T, such as the violence and crude humor. Not worth mentioning that ZSS's appearance resulted in Brawl's rating when Brawl probably would have received the T rating anyway. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 21:44, 7 July 2013 (EDT)

== Height and build ==

Has anyone done comparisons of ZSS's size/build in Other M and in SSB4? IIRC she was completely dwarfed by the male characters in Other M even ''while'' wearing high-heels; in SSB4, she still has the heels but is still more comparable to the taller characters in height. Furthermore, it looks like her musculature ''did'' change slightly between Zero Mission and Other M, while she has roughly the same build in Brawl and SSB4.--[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 14:19, 14 November 2015 (EST)

She looks shorter [http://i.imgur.com/nggkmPT.jpg here]. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 14:22, 14 November 2015 (EST)

I see what you mean, since her model is roughly the same height in both ''Smash'' games with the heels making her a bit shorter - however, the point is, does she have her height from ''Other M'' (where again, she was very petite even ''with'' her heels)? In any case, you have [[Palutena]] being made much shorter than she was in ''Uprising'', so I'm not sure if Samus' new height is an intentional reference to ''Other M'' (and I hope it isn't).--[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 14:27, 14 November 2015 (EST)

EDIT: Just had another look at the picture, and it seems that she indeed looks shorter (particularly, her legs aren't as long). But is this universal? Someone could, say, take a side-to-side comparison of her against someone like [[Captain Falcon]] in both games and also compare it to her height against the males in ''Other M'', unless this isn't worth pursuing. At least [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/23b08c/zero_suit_samus_ssbb_to_ssb4_comparison/%20 according to this discussion], Zamus is ''bulkier'' in ''SSB4'' than in ''Brawl'', so that's something (but again, not sure if worth noting).--[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 14:31, 14 November 2015 (EST)

EDIT 2: There's [http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/4/4c/SSB4_-_Galactic_Opposites.jpg this screenshot], which shows her at a height similar to Rosalina. It probably doesn't mean that her height difference from Other M is worth noting, if it exists at all, but it also shows that they probably didn't directly use her shorter height from that game (thank god).--[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 23:13, 14 November 2015 (EST)

ZSS is a head length shorter than Rosalina. I can't link to it, but search in google images "zero suit samus height" and you'll likely see it. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 00:16, 15 November 2015 (EST)

Also note that Rosalina was made to be pretty tall in this game. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 00:17, 15 November 2015 (EST)

As an update, I've been watching Other M cutscenes extensively and noted that ZSS looks skinnier and more youthful than in both of her ''Smash'' appearances. I therefore noted (both on this page and the SSB4 page) that ZSS's design retains the general elements and body type from her ''Brawl'' and ZM design; even comparing the top two images on this page, it's pretty clear that her legs are thicker in ZM than in OM. IMO this information seems objective, unlike with her height compared to Other M. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 12:03, 7 February 2016 (EST)

Decided to remove most of the details on her physical appearance; I disagree with another user over her height, so it seems that there's some subjectivity involved (especially since character heights in ''Smash'', in general, are hard to directly compare with their source material). I'll probably re-add a few details that can't be argued on, such as the hairstyle, but it seems that the build/height are very subjective.[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 18:39, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
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 Decided to remove most of the details on her physical appearance; I disagree with another user over her height, so it seems that there's some subjectivity involved (especially since character heights in ''Smash'', in general, are hard to directly compare with their source material). I'll probably re-add a few details that can't be argued on, such as the hairstyle, but it seems that the build/height are very subjective.[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 18:39, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
-== Samus Returns artwork ==
-Does anyone think the Other M artwork of ZSS in the infobox could/should be replaced with the Samus Returns artwork? While SSBU ZSS still wears a version of the Other M Zero Suit (now with Zero Mission colors it seems), she's definitely bulked up and that may indicate Samus Returns influence to some extent, as it gives her more of a passing resemblance to Samus Returns ZSS than Other M ZSS. But that may be subjective. [[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 11:35, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
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