Editing Talk:Wii Fit Trainer (SSBU)

== Trivia ==

It says that Wii Fit Trainer is the only character yo have names for all of their standard attacks, excluding throws and floor attacks. Doesn't Mega Man also fit this description? [[User:Veledwin1|Veledwin1]] ([[User talk:Veledwin1|talk]]) 06:52, May 22, 2019 (EDT)
:That is true, I'll go and add it. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 11:09, May 22, 2019 (EDT)

== Should we keep the names of the attacks in the infoboxes? ==

They literally are the poses, so there's no way they could be anything else. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 15:32, May 22, 2019 (EDT)

Agreed, considering that the game devs made a point of using specific Wii Fit poses in WFT's moveset, it certainly seems as though whether or not a tip just so happens to mention a certain move by name is just a technicality in this case. Additionally, Serpent King's complaint about use of outside sources isn't exactly valid considering that we have plenty of supplementary information from games outside of the Super Smash Bros. series. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 15:45, May 22, 2019 (EDT)
:"Outside sources" refers to those specific games outside the Smash series. We don't really care what a move looks like, whether it be [[Shulk (SSB4)/Forward smash|Slit Edge]], [[Mewtwo (SSB4)/Forward aerial|Shadow Claw]], [[Cloud (SSB4)/Forward aerial|Braver]], or something else - [[SW:OFFICIAL]] specifies not to just make up a name for an unnamed move ("In the absence of either an official name or a highly recognized fan term, such as most characters' normal moves, it is preferable to leave a name section blank than to "invent" a name for an unnamed move like Mario's down smash.") [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 17:06, May 22, 2019 (EDT)
::I think you're missing the point. This isn't simply a case of a move looking like a move from another game. This is direct, consistent, deliberate and referenced 1-to-1 appropriation of the moves from Wii Fit. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 17:14, May 22, 2019 (EDT)
:::We understand that, but the moves are not officially named that in Smash Ultimate. Ergo, those names do not belong on this article. They may be officially named elsewhere, but not anywhere in Ultimate. As such, in accordance with [[SW:OFFICIAL]], we should not be adding those names to WFT's article. [[User:Hinata|Hinata]] ([[User talk:Hinata|talk]]) 17:30, May 22, 2019 (EDT)
:::(Edit conflict) That ''is'' the point: it looks like it. Regardless of how closely it matches, it still is made to ''look'' like it. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 17:32, May 22, 2019 (EDT)
::::Normally, I’d agree with Aidan on this, but since these attacks are based on actual Yoga poses, They should probably be kept in here. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 20:02, May 22, 2019 (EDT)

I initially added all the names for moves looking specifically at the Wii Fit franchise to see what moves from those games were used, if that isn't a valid source for move names then idk what is [[User:Invy|Invy]] ([[User talk:Invy|talk]]) 10:18, May 25, 2019 (EDT)

To reiterate: regardless of how much a move resembles its counterpart from the character's home series - [[Shulk (SSB4)/Forward smash|Slit Edge]], [[Mewtwo (SSB4)/Forward aerial|Shadow Claw]], [[Sonic (SSB4)/Down aerial|Sonic Rocket]], [[Lucas (SSB4)/Up smash|PK Love]], [[Donkey Kong (SSB4)/Dash attack|Roll Attack]], [[Pac-Man (SSB4)/Up aerial|Flip Kick]], even Mr. Game & Watch's ''entire moveset'' - we do not take names from sources other than the ''Smash'' games themselves, regardless of whether or not they are official Nintendo games. That is what [[SW:OFFICIAL]] states: "In the absence of either an official name or a highly recognized fan term, such as most characters' normal moves, it is preferable to leave a name section blank than to "invent" a name for an unnamed move like Mario's down smash." [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 13:01, June 8, 2019 (EDT)

[[Forum:Move_names|I am just going to drop this here........]] - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 12:36, June 10, 2019 (EDT)

It seems pretty absurd to me to feign ignorance to what are clearly 1:1 poses from the wii fit games; if there's literally no debate as to what the poses (which themselves are clearly and explicitly named) and thus the moves using those poses are called canonically, then why pretend that it's inaccurate to display the names on this page? [[User:Invy|Invy]] ([[User talk:Invy|talk]]) 19:31, June 11, 2019 (EDT)

But at any rate a consensus has to be reached, we can't keep flip flopping between including the names or not [[User:Invy|Invy]] ([[User talk:Invy|talk]]) 08:37, June 12, 2019 (EDT)

:The problem here is that her moves are explicitly Yoga Poses from the Wii Fit series. There is literally no difference between the random moves that have been name-dropped in tips and the like, and the remaining Yoga poses. It would be like if we weren't allowed to say that one of Pac-Man's up taunts is Mappy because there isn't a tip or an offhanded comment from Nintendo about it. Comparing this to things like PK Love and Shadow Claw is incredibly dishonest, and I'm surprised an admin would actually try to make such a blatantly poor comparison. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 08:45, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
::I’m with you Alex, but I don’t think the exact resemblance to a game is the best argument. Wii Fit Trainer’s attacks are actually based on real yoga poses. They don’t just exist within the WiI Fit series. Normally, I’d agree to keep them off the page, but since these moves are based on real yoga poses, I think we should make an exception. It’s like saying that Villager’s Forward Smash isn’t a bowling ball. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 12:19, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
Yeah I totally agree with you, but at the same time we can't make changes if not everyone is on board because that'll just lead to more issues in maintaining the quality of the page in the future [[User:Invy|Invy]] ([[User talk:Invy|talk]]) 09:59, June 12, 2019 (EDT)

== Pronoun uniformity ==

We still have some discrepancies between the pronouns used on this page; in some places it's she/her and in others it's they/them. Can we come to an agreement on the pronouns to be used so we can make the page more cohesive? [[User:Invy|invy]] ([[User talk:Invy|talk]]) 22:03, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
:According to the manual of style, both are acceptable, but it’s generally preferred to use the default gender pronouns. I changed most of the alternate gendered characters to they/them, but I may have missed a few words. Thanks for telling me the issue. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 22:18, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
::Wait actually those were referring to their appearance in WoL, where the defauly gender is used no matter what. There was only one instance where she/her was used outside of WoL. I’ll fix it still. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 22:21, June 12, 2019 (EDT)

The smash 4 page exclusively used she/her if that means anything [[User:Invy|invy]] ([[User talk:Invy|talk]]) 00:09, June 13, 2019 (EDT)

== Voice actors ==

Are all the regional voice actors the same as in Smash 4, or has the situation changed since the Ultimate isn't region locked? I know we still have the American and British voice actors, but is it the same for the Latin American and Spanish voice actors? [[User:Invy|invy]] ([[User talk:Invy|talk]]) 22:34, June 12, 2019 (EDT)

Unless someone says otherwise I'll just assume that all the same voice actors carried over from smash 4 [[User:Invy|invy]] ([[User talk:Invy|talk]]) 22:58, June 12, 2019 (EDT)

== WaDi ==

There seems to be some disagreement on Wadi's section on the notable players list, with some labeling him as the best wii fit in the world and some not. Personally I wouldn't consider him the best Wii Fit for several reasons, including:

1) He hasn't really made use of actual wii fit specific tech or strategies whatsoever, but rather depends on his great fundamentals to win him sets (which is fine)
2) He's barely used the character since May after only playing wii fit for a handful of weeks
3) He only had the character as a secondary to begin with

Overall he's a pretty poor representative of the character as a whole, and within the wii fit playerbase no one really considers him to be the best wii fit player in the world, but rather the best player in the world that has tried out wii fit. He hasn't used the character for an extended period of time and has never done anything remotely close to advancing the character's meta, so it seems disingenuous to place him on a pedestal as the best Wii fit player. What are your thoughts? [[User:Invy|invy]] ([[User talk:Invy|talk]]) 22:47, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

I feel like he needs to be listed because hes probably the person that gets mentioned alongside wiifit by most smashers. So even if hes far from the best hes notable.  

I do wonder who all should be listed in notable player section. It feels weird seeing some players listed while others like CPU, occho, ace and the German fits not on it. But I kind of like how all the listed players have notability in a least a couple ways. (PR ranking, notable wins and notable placements)  [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 10:51, September 22, 2019 (EDT)

==Wii Fit Trainer; competitive metagame history==
:When I look at fighter pages, they have something to say about their competitive metagame history. However, fighter pages like this don’t have that kind of paragraph. Can anybody please do some research about the competitive history and fill it in the competitive play section of {{SSBU|Wii Fit Trainer}}? [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] [[User talk:Son Daniel|(talk page)]] 17:03, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Unfortunately I'm not sure how we would go about that. Take a character like Kirby. Wii fit mains rank that character anywhere as being -2 - +1.  Even a character most wii fit mains think is our worst matchup, Pikachu, there is some divide. Sinogara puts that mu at -.5 and tbh, has the record against top French pikachus to back it up. We could ask Invy if we could use his collaborative wii fit matchup chart. He compiled a
 matchup charts from 10 top wii fits. 

As to performance in the meta the best C tier result is 4th (Reese), B tier is 5th (Sinogara), A tier is 17th (RockstarAce) and S tier is 33rd. (Varun, Evy, Keroguchi, CPU, John Numbers)

There has been a gradual uptick in overall wii fit performances but I dont think anything dramatic. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 17:53, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
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