Editing Talk:Wii Fit Trainer (SSB4)

I know we saw the moves, but do we have confirmation as to what controller inputs cause them? Unless we know for a fact that a move is an up tilt, for example, we shouldn't claim it as such. Looking like a type of move is not sufficient information. (See Mario Tornado from Melee to Brawl.) [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:23, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
:The smashes are confirmed; you see her charging them and done in the listed direction. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:02, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

== 3DS appearance ==

[http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/wii_fit_trainer/illust-modal.jpg This image]] shows the logo for both versions of the game along with the trainer, indicating she is a "part" of both games. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  22:43, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
:Promotional images can't be assumed to mean anything. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Prismatic 22:43, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
::They said in one of the trailers that all of the characters would be the same from version to version. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 01:22, 12 June 2013 (EDT)
::Sakurai said that the only the difference between the Wii u version and the 3DS version will be in the stages, at 3DS version we will find more stages from 3DS games (portable titles) and at the Wii U version we will se more stages from Wii and Wii U games (to-home titles)[[User:Fenix14-15|<span style="color:red;">Hi</span>]] [[User Talk:Fenix14-15|<span style="color:blue;">I'm Fenix</span>]] 11:50, 12 June 2013 (EDT)
:::Actually, Sakurai said that the '''number''' of characters would be the same from version to version. There's a big difference. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  11:52, 12 June 2013 (EDT)
::::It's now been confirmed by [http://kotaku.com/dont-expect-a-lot-of-third-party-characters-in-the-nex-513203533 the man himself] that both games will indeed feature the same exact library of characters. I believe we can put this issue to rest now. I'd edit the page myself, but this account is brand-new. [[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 17:40, 13 June 2013 (EDT)    

Why would the Wii Fit Trainer be in a game where she has no home stages? --[[User:Meinfoo22|Meinfoo22]] ([[User talk:Meinfoo22|talk]]) 11:08, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
:Marth and Roy in Melee had no home stages. [[User:Scr7|<font style="color:#0000FF">S</font><font style="color:#7F7FFF">c</font><font style="color:#00FFFF">r</font>]][[User talk:Scr7|<font style="color:#FF7F00">7</font>]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/Scr7]] 11:11, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
:And it was just said stages in general would be based on handheld games on the 3DS, not that all stages will be handheld based. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:27, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
::Wii Fit Trainer could have a Wuhu Island stage anyway. That would belong on Nintendo 3DS, thanks to Pilotwings Resort and Mario Kart 7. [[User:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#ff8c00|'''Toast'''}}]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#01a3c4|'''ltimatum'''}}]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 11:58, 14 July 2013 (EDT)

== Moveset ==

HavocReaper48 found [https://jollilot.minus.com/m4RYdvoTqyz5X this gallery] of gifs for Wii Fit Trainer's moveset. If anybody has the time to upload them and add them to this page, please do. [[User:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#ff8c00|'''Toast'''}}]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#01a3c4|'''ltimatum'''}}]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 20:02, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

==Alternate Costume?==
This is just speculation and should be removed. No official source confirms that the Male Wii Fit Trainer will be such. Also, to respond to Ixbran's statement in the edit summary ("If he were an assist trophy, a section dedicated to assist trophies would be on the official site"), how do you figure that? There doesn't appear to be such on the Dojo's archive, and that page had a section for stages, which is absent for the Smash 4 site. Also, while one would assume Sakurai would confirm Assist Trophies their first appearance in a pic of the day, the same could also be said of alternate costumes. '''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]'''[[File:JH-Heartless.png|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123]]'''[[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]]''' 09:05, 31 October 2013 (EDT)
:Can I get some kind of response to this? Is there an official source that says it's an alternate costume? Because [https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADbUgNpbkcaUQ Sakurai's pic of the day comment] didn't. '''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]'''[[File:JH-Heartless.png|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123]]'''[[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]]''' 21:10, 31 October 2013 (EDT)
::It could be an alt. costume or Sakurai really decided to make a Male Wii Fit Trainer char. On another note, if it is an alt. costume I have a question: has anyone ever heard FWFT make any vocalizations? Because people will be ''stereotyping'' if MWFT is a palette swap and has female grunts. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 21:28, 31 October 2013 (EDT)
::We don't know the Male trainer's role in the game. It would be odd if he was an alternate costume for the Wii Fit Trainer we have, since while there were alternate costumes inspired by other characters like Peach's Daisy costume, they don't come close enough to the character. The Daisy costume just looks like Peach wearing orange and dyed her hair, and does not have Daisy's face. And the alternate costumes are based on color, and the two Wii Fit Trainers wear a similar color scheme, so it is a stretch (stretch, wii fit, get it?) to consider the Male trainer an alternate costume. Why isn't Toon Link or Young Link an alt costume for Link? Or Dr. Mario a costume for Mario? Nothing's confirmed for Male Wii Fit Trainer. He can be an assist trophy or something. Best not to assume until it is confirmed. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 16:50, 2 November 2013 (EDT)

== The Hulahoops ==

Sakury never siad that The HUEla hoops were her up specile moves. Speculaton.

== Male or female? ==

Whether or not we need to refer to the WFT or Villager as female or male, respectively, is a legitimate debate because both titles are ambiguous. I have two ways we can address the issue that is what to refer to the Wii Fit Trainer and Villager:
*We can assign genders based on the artwork (Villager's shows the male, so we use "he," "his," and "him", and WFT's is female, so we use "her," "hers," and "she")
*We can use "they" and "their" to be neutral.<br>
For the sake of consistency we'd have to apply either one of these rules to both articles. Thoughts? <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 21:43, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
:First option would be better. If we referred to WFT with "they", then we run into wording issues such as, "They unleash a powerful yoga punch", which would heavily imply that they're a duo character when they definitely aren't. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 23:45, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::I'd refer to WFT and Villager as a female and male, respectively. Their default costumes/palette swaps display them as female and male, again, respectively. [[User:Chilex|Chilex]] ([[User talk:Chilex|talk]]) 23:50, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
:::Yeah, first option will do too. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The Computer 23:53, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::::I agree as well; first option is probably the best. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 00:07, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

== Moveset poses/exercises ==

I noticed that the main page is lacking in terms of WFT's moves. After watching various videos, I feel fairly certain about most of these points. Even though some may be obvious and/or already known, I want to point out all of them anyway:
* Her crouch is '''Push-Ups'''; she can crawl by hopping forward and back.
* When she falls face-up, she is in the '''Spinal Twist''' pose. Her get-up attack may also be the '''Spinal Twist''', but I'm not certain.
* All of her dodge animations seem to be the '''Half-Moon''' pose.
* Her jab is 2 hits of the '''Single Leg Twist''', followed by a '''Lunge''' (both are muscle exercises).
* Her dash attack is the '''Gate''' pose.
* When she attacks from a ledge, it's the '''Side Plank''' from the '''Push-Up and Side Plank''' exercise.
* Her grab/pummel appears to be the '''Rowing Squat''' exercise.
* Her forward tilt is the '''Dance''' pose.
* Her up tilt is the '''Triangle''' pose.
* Her down tilt is the '''Bridge''' pose.
* The '''Single Leg Extension''' exercise could either be her neutral or forward aerial.
* The '''Half-Moon''' pose could be her up, forward, or neutral aerial. This is somewhat odd as it appears her '''Half-Moon''' pose is also her dodge animation.
* The '''Jackknife''' exercise could be her up or neutral aerial.
* The '''Chair''' pose appears to be her down aerial.
* Her back aerial appears to be the '''Cobra''' pose, but I'm not completely certain.
[[User:Pyitoechito|Pyitoechito]] ([[User talk:Pyitoechito|talk]]) 11:55, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
:Unless these are confirmed by Sakurai, it's merely speculation to assume they are named after a similar pose. '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' 11:57, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
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 :Unless these are confirmed by Sakurai, it's merely speculation to assume they are named after a similar pose. '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' 11:57, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
-::Blarg, I didn't even consider that was what I was essentially doing when making this discussion. My bad. [[User:Pyitoechito|Pyitoechito]] ([[User talk:Pyitoechito|talk]]) 16:27, 21 July 2014 (EDT)
-== Side Special ==
-For some reason one of the images says that the soccer ball is "possibly a side special." 1. Why did you allow speculation like that on the mainspace? 2. We've already seen that it is her side special. Might need a change. [[Special:Contributions/72.104.147.141|72.104.147.141]] 12:40, 22 August 2014 (EDT)
-==Up and down smashes==
-Could someone please put here the link to the youtube video that shows her speaking when she does her up and down smashes, as said in the last trivia? [[User:Hue hue|Hue hue]] ([[User talk:Hue hue|talk]]) 14:08, 11 October 2014 (EDT)
-== Attributes: Wall of text, should be more concise ==
-I can only shrink this section so much by myself. Can someone help, I can't shrink it anymore without risking removing important info and annoying someone. [[Special:Contributions/76.168.47.247|76.168.47.247]] 20:47, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
-== Reorganization Needed: For what, exactly? ==
-I can't reorganize this page unless I know '''What''' to organize. Can someone elaborate on this tag? [[Special:Contributions/108.178.162.66|108.178.162.66]] 16:34, 7 May 2015 (EDT)
-== Talking after battle ends (Trivia) ==
-In the Trivia Section there ist says: "Oddly, if the match is quit or won while the Wii Fit Trainer is speaking (through a taunt or a smash attack), it can still be heard, even over the announcer. She shares this with Bayonetta."
-This claim is misleading or at least incomplete, as there are other characters whose talking is not cut by the announcer. When female Corrin dies (i never heard the male one) she says something. This sound is so long, it almost even reaches to the winning characters winning pose sound. Can somebody confirm that all sounds are played to the end and are not cut by the announcer or the game ending and the two examples mentioned are only very long so you could notice it? or is there an confirmed example of any (speech-) soundfile being cut before it would end?
-==Trivia point should be removed/changed==
-One of the trivia says WFT is the only gender changing character to be female by default. The Inkling in Ultimate is default female, so it needs to be removed, or changed to say either that she's the only character like this in SSB4, or she and the Inkling are the only two. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 18:51, 31 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
-:That trivia applies only to SSB4 (hence it being on this page) so I say it still stands. Her [[Wii Fit Trainer|general page]] does make them being the only two with a female default clear. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 19:00, 31 July 2018 (EDT)
-::Yeah, I think that while that is sort of a valid point, to avoid confusion, I'm going to have it say "in SSB4". [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 10:13, 1 August 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
-::Nevermind, [[User:TheNuttyOne|Nutty]] already fixed it.[[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 10:15, 1 August 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
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