Editing Talk:Victory theme

If anyone has knowledge on a certain franchise's Victory Theme, then they are welcome to modify the article. Also, if anyone could word the introduction better and improve it, then that would be great. Thanks. --OK'Ssuka?--

== Incorrect Victory Themes ==

I'm here to say that the Zelda theme and Yoshi theme are wrong. The Zelda one is based off of the main theme from the first game in that series. The Yoshi one begins with the Title screen of Yoshi's Story, and ends with the 30 Fruits Eaten fanfare of Yoshi's Story.[[User:Amycats2|Amycats2]] ([[User talk:Amycats2|talk]]) 23:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== Villain themes ==

Does anyone have any insight into why Metaknight is the only character within a franchise to recieve a unique victory theme?
It is clear to me why his theme should sound different from Kirby or even Dedede, but I don't see why certain other characters didn't recieve a simillar treatment. Frankly, it seems inapropriate that, say, Bowser should share the same theme as Mario, as they are disimilar and opposing.

One theory that might justify a character like Bowser sharing the happy Mario theme would be that Bowser is sometimes portrayed as a friendlier character, participating in activities such as tennis, kart racing, etc., and even joining Mario's party from time to time. Although, I don't feel that this is the Bowser portrayed in SSBB.

Ganondorf, on the other hand, while starkly evil, IS closely intwined with Link and Zelda so far as the Triforce is concerned, but again the victory theme seems far more suited to these Heroic charactes.

Certainly there are arguments for either side, but it seems very odd to me that only Metaknight would be the exception (possibly the distinction lies with his uniquely ambiguous and mysterious allegiance), and I was curious if anyone knew or could theorize any explanations for this, whether relating to thier game roles, or perhaps something from a more practical developmental standpont.

I would like to be able to include a brief sentence in the article, if it can be appropriately articulated.[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 06:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Sakurai mentioned he wanted to do it in his bloggish sort of thing before the Dojo as we know it went up. As for why MK got special treatment, it's clear Sakurai has a teeny bit of favoritism regarding his characters (two kirby newcomers, all kirby characters play important roles in SSE, he voices Dedede etc.) <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:WilsonatorUK|WilsonatorUK]] ([[User talk:WilsonatorUK|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WilsonatorUK|contribs]]) 21:15, July 8, 2008 (UTC)</small>

I would like bowser's theme, the Ganondorf fanfare, and special treatment for more characters. Anyway, I would suggest turning this to the forums. '''[[User:XXXXX|<font color="Green">X</font><font color="DeepSkyBlue">X</font><font color="Green">X</font><font color="DeepSkyBlue">X</font><font color="Green">X</font>]]'''  [[User talk:XXXXX|<font color="Red">Talk to me OR ELSE!</font>]] 03:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Section titles ==

How does changing the section titles mess the page up? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] ([[User talk:Trogga|talk]]) 01:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:Click [[Falco_Lombardi_%28SSBB%29#Victory_Pose|here]]. Once you're there click on the ''Star Fox 64 Main Theme'' link. It should not only take you back to this article, but also specifically to the Star Fox section because it was linked to: <nowiki>[[Fanfare#Star Fox 64 Main Theme]]</nowiki> the text that appears after the "#" links to the title of that particular section. If the title is changed, the link won't work. It won't mess up ''this'' page, but it can mess up the various links from other pages. [[User:Bman87301|Bman87301]] ([[User talk:Bman87301|talk]]) 12:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::Why not just correct the other pages? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] ([[User talk:Trogga|talk]]) 18:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Because there are dozens of them. If you want to track down all of them and change them, go ahead. --[[User:Bman87301|Bman87301]] ([[User talk:Bman87301|talk]]) 00:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::::Why not just let anyone fix any dead link they see? It's not that big of a deal. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] ([[User talk:Trogga|talk]]) 01:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Layout ==

Would it be beneficial to lay this out in a more tabular fashion, and have the audio files in the table along with the descriptions? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:04, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

I don't like that idea. It seems wrong. [[User:Forbidden7|<font color="#FFA500">Forb</font>]][[User talk:Forbidden7|<font color="#00FFFF">idden</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Forbidden7|<font color="#00FF00">7</font>]][[File:MrGame&WatchHeadSSBB.png]] 18:12, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

Honestly seems like a good idea to me. I do love organization. [[User:MtnDewholic|<font color="red">Mtn</font><font color="green">Dewholic</font>]] [[User talk:MtnDewholic|<font color="teal">9000</font>]][[File:PokemonSymbol.svg|25px]] 21:44, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

I do too,but I just like it like this. So I guess we'll let's try it Miles way and see what what others think. [[User:Forbidden7|<font color="#FFA500">Forb</font>]][[User talk:Forbidden7|<font color="#00FFFF">idden</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Forbidden7|<font color="#00FF00">7</font>]][[File:MrGame&WatchHeadSSBB.png]] 23:33, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

==Move==
Me and Clarinet Hawk have had a short discussion on [[User talk:ToastUltimatum/Fanfare|this talk page]], and we say this page needs moving to '''Victory Theme''', as Fanfare would, in most instances, be incorrect English. There's a redirect in the way, so I'll need an admin to do this. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 05:09, 18 April 2012 (EDT)
:Change all instances of fanfare to victory theme, and the move will be made. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 05:15, 18 April 2012 (EDT)
::[[User:ToastUltimatum/Fanfare|Currently rewriting this anyway]], so I guess we'll wait until I've finished that. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 05:26, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

== Table of contents? ==

Why is the table of contents suppressed? It makes navigating the page more awkward without it. Is there a good reason? [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] ([[User talk:Flicky1991|talk]]) 10:45, 27 April 2012 (EDT)
:PenguinofDeath tells me to suppress the contents on music articles, as they count as list pages, and aren't supposed to have contents. Admittedly though, contents would be useful on this page. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 12:54, 27 April 2012 (EDT)

== Super Smash Bros. for Wii U ==

When at the Smash Bros. Invitational and watching the Roundtable, you can hear victory themes.All victory themes for returning characters are the same as brawl, ripped out and put in. The new victory themes are for Rosalina, a remix of the Super Mario Galaxy Menu theme. Villager's is a remix of the animal crossing menu, and Pac-Man's is a remix of the tune that plays when you start stage 1 from the original. Listen in and tell me if you hear any more new ones.[[User:Ma321|Ma321]] ([[User talk:Ma321|talk]]) 8:16, 10 June 2014 (EDT)

== No proof ==

Hey, there's a thing the person who edited this page recently wrote wrong. He or she wrote: "All characters except Meta Knight, Rosalina, and Bowser (in Super Smash Bros. 4) share one flourish across their respective universes, so in the aforementioned instance, Luigi and Peach share the same flourish as Mario. Thus, if one of these characters other than Mario were to win, the same victory theme will still play."
Peach wasn't playable in the demo, so why are you assuming so early that she will have the same theme of Mario and Luigi? there isn't a proof nowhere, and it isn't implied nor obvious that she will have the same theme again. It could be different this time around, like her being rescued theme or her castle theme. So I think someone should take out the part about Peach sharing the same flourish as Mario and Luigi until there's proof. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Hue hue|Hue hue]] ([[User talk:Hue hue|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hue hue|contribs]]) 00:14, June 17, 2014 (UTC)</small>

:You're talking as if Smash 4 was the only game in the series. Her victory theme is the same in Brawl as the other Mario characters', but when Bowser's was changed to a different one in Smash 4, the info on the page was updated to accomodate for it. If her theme in Smash 4 turns out to be different, we'll update the page the same way. And please remember to sign your posts, I don't even know who ''you'' are.--[[User:Totoofze47|Totoofze47]] ([[User talk:Totoofze47|talk]]) 10:32, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
::"you're talking as if smash 4 was the only game in the series" that was very rude! i'm just saying my opinion that it shouldn't be said so early and you come with that? why does all the sites mods have to be so rude? I just requested a thing to make the article better 10:07, 18 June 2014 (EDT)hue hue
:::Fixed your indent for ya. Please read [[SW:TALK]] and [[SW:SIGN]], because you add colons : to indent (add one more than the person you are replying to). Also, don't write out your sig. Put 4 tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and it will be created for you.
:::Back on topic, Totoofze47 is not a mod. [[SW:ADMIN|See here for a list of admins.]] Also, I'm assuming your comment was in good faith, but think through what Totoofze said before calling him "rude". Peach's theme has not yet been heard in Smash 4, meaning that the sentence referring to Mario and Luigi sharing a theme with her is, as of now, not incorrect because she has in every other game. The moment there's proof of her theme being different, we change it. Simple as that. [[Image:N64icon.jpg|20px]]'''[[User:Nintendrone42|<span style="color:orange">intendrone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Nintendrone42|<span style="color:black">42</span>]]</sup>''' 11:06, 18 June 2014 (EDT)
But I put four tildes,why did you put the link of the article about signing comments? [[User:Hue hue|Hue hue]] ([[User talk:Hue hue|talk]]) 23:26, 19 June 2014 (EDT)Hue Hue
:The way you are signing is incorrect. Look at your comment; your name is listed twice because you typed "<nowiki>~~~~Hue hue</nowiki>". You are supposed to type "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>". Nothing more, nothing less. The tildes generate your entire sig. [[Image:N64icon.jpg|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Courier; font-size:12pt">[[User:Nintendrone42|<span style="color:orange">intendrone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Nintendrone42|<span style="color:black">42</span>]]</sup></span>''' 11:31, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

== Mega Man's fanfare ==

It was changed the other day to this: "It is a remix of the short jingle that plays whenever MegaMan defeats a robot master." Really? It sure wasn't that in the demos; it was the first few bars of his theme song (AKA the Mega Man 2 title theme). --[[Special:Contributions/54.240.196.186|54.240.196.186]] 15:17, 12 September 2014 (EDT)

== Mii victory Theme ==

No clue how to format this page so I'll leave the proof that the Mii Fighter's victory theme is the Smash 4 theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7ubq7JpJ3Y [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 20:58, 13 September 2014 (EDT)

== Uploaded all the SSB4 victory fanfares ([[Special:ListFiles|Here]]) ==

Now if anyone could actually include them in the article please...--[[User:Wolfy76700|Wolfy76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy76700|talk]]) 17:20, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
:Thank you for that. I'll try to do it. [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 17:22, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
::Thank you ! ;-) I think the page uses a Gallery structure for audio files, like for pictures in articles such as {{SSB4|Final Destination}}--[[User:Wolfy76700|Wolfy76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy76700|talk]]) 17:26, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
:::Finished. [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 17:40, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

== Pac-Man "Placeholder" Error ==

On Pac-Man's section, it mentions that prior to the release of Smash 4, there was a placeholder victory theme taken from Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures.
:I am assuming that it's referring to the E3 2014 Roundtable, however the video Nintendo posted of the event shown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDsmjbifWUk at 1:43 shows that Pac-Man's victory theme WASN'T from Ghostly Adventures, but is the same theme as the final release. [[User:GoldenYuiitusin|GoldenYuiitusin]] ([[User talk:GoldenYuiitusin|talk]]) 16:43, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
::While the applause drowns it out sufficiently that it isn't clear to me that it's the final version being used, it's equally out-there to claim it's the Ghostly Adventures version. I'll remove the claim in question. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:11, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
:::I don't hear GA. I hear the final version. Clear as day to me, but to each his own opinion, I guess... [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 17:14, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

==No sources?==
(Hey, im new here so if im doing this wrong, i apologize, hopefully i didnt misunderstand what the "how to edit" page meant about how to make a new heading)
Ive noticed recently there has been places for a Toon Link victory theme, which had no information or source and has since been removed, and a Corrin victory theme now, which still has no source but at least its being described now. Is there anyone who can prove if these two characters actually have new unique victory themes, or is this the work of some troll? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:ThatOneGuy9001|ThatOneGuy9001]] ([[User talk:ThatOneGuy9001|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ThatOneGuy9001|contribs]]) 02:02, November 3, 2018 (EDT)</small>
:This information is being taken from a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBqz5vGmMAQ Japanese tournament series] which is currently being streamed over the weekend. [[User:DryKirby64|DryKirby64]] ([[User talk:DryKirby64|talk]]) 03:00, 3 November 2018 (EDT)

== Ness and Lucina in Ultimate ==

Can someone provide a link to Ness and Lucina's new victory themes? Because I have absolutely no clue as to where they are. [[File:SonicSpeed48ThanksgivingSig4.png|17px]][[User:SonicSpeed48|<span style="color: gold;">'''Sonic'''</span>]], [[User talk:SonicSpeed48|<span style="color: brown;">'''the Thankful Speedster'''</span>]][[File:FallLovingTigger.png|17px]] 15:50, 5 November 2018 (EST)
:Seconded, plus on the matter of Corrin's new one, if Lucina's is called "Awakening theme" then shouldn't his/her's be "Fates Theme"? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 13:12, 10 November 2018 (EST)
::...Huh, well I'll be damned. I actually found it... well, for Lucina, I mean. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nb2eufrh9I] [[File:SonicSpeed48ThanksgivingSig4.png|17px]][[User:SonicSpeed48|<span style="color: gold;">'''Sonic'''</span>]], [[User talk:SonicSpeed48|<span style="color: brown;">'''the Thankful Speedster'''</span>]][[File:FallLovingTigger.png|17px]] 20:18, 10 November 2018 (EST)

== Mii Victory Theme which 1 is right. ==

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh... The Mii fighter's victory theme sounds like the Battlefield SSBU remix. Any oppositions???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? (is anyone gonna comment on this?)[[Special:Contributions/71.168.118.220|71.168.118.220]] 20:33, February 12, 2021 (EST)
:Lifelight is Ultimate's main theme, and Battlefield is a remix of it. Hence, I believe that portion should stay as is. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] ([[User talk:Awesomelink234|talk]]) 20:39, February 12, 2021 (EST)
ok[[Special:Contributions/71.168.118.220|71.168.118.220]] 21:07, February 12, 2021 (EST)

== Wario's victory theme ==

Wario's victory theme in Smash does not come from Wario Land Shake It, of couse, proven by the "references" section of this article (although, some articles in this wiki still say otherwise, for some reason).

However, i want to discuss that, unlike what this article (as well some other ones from this wiki) say, Wario's victory theme '''might''' not be completely made up for Smash; in which, the possible source where that theme came from is from the jingle that plays when a player wins a microgame in Wario's stage in WarioWare Touched: https://youtu.be/AAcGkRqzdY0?t=235

I might be acting a bit (if not, completely) tone deaf with this one, but i think it's the jingle that matches the best with Wario's victory theme in the Smash series, and it would kinda make sense being the case considering the amount of stuff we have from WarioWare Touched just in Brawl alone.[[User:181.220.102.161|181.220.102.161]] ([[User talk:181.220.102.161|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/181.220.102.161|contribs]]) 21:55, July 27, 2022  (GMT-3)
:I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed by Sakurai or some noteworthy source that Wario's victory theme came from Wario Land Shake It. As for the video that you linked, the WarioWare jingle sounds nothing like the Smash victory theme. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 21:07, July 27, 2022 (EDT)
::It literally was said by the composer himself that no, Wario's victory theme in Smash does not come from Shake It. Nintendo gave him that track (along with other songs from Wario's games) to use as reference for some tracks for Shake It: https://www.heypoorplayer.com/2017/03/17/tomoya-tomita-interview/ --[[User:181.220.102.161|181.220.102.161]] ([[User talk:181.220.102.161|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/181.220.102.161|contribs]]) 22:57, July 27, 2022  (GMT-3)
:::"In Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Wario’s victory theme was an arrangement of the Stonecarving City theme from Shake It!, which hadn’t yet come out. Were you involved in this special cameo?"
:::"No, that was another piece I received from Nintendo. I didn’t do anything for Brawl."
:::So, from what I'm reading, Tomoya didn't compose the victory theme, not that the theme isn't from Shake It!. There's also that Stonecarving City is extremely close to the victory theme regardless. It is also possible that Nintendo liked the Stonecarving City theme and gave it to another composer to remix for the victory theme; the games were released within 6 months of each other, sounds possible to me. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 22:34, July 27, 2022 (EDT)
::::Read the rest of the article [[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]]. Nintendo gave him three pieces of music from other games that Wario appeared in for him to use as reference for the soundtrack of Shake It, which just so happens to include Wario's victory theme in Smash.
::::"Minako Hamano-san is also listed as a music credit. Did you two collaborate together?"
::::"We didn’t actually collaborate. Right when I began the project, Nintendo sent me three pieces used in previous Wario titles (one of which was Greenhorn Ruins) and said, “Here—use these.” I imagine Hamano-san composed those." 
::::Not to mention his quote saying "another piece I received from Nintendo" when talking about Wario's victory theme. --[[User:181.220.102.161|181.220.102.161]] ([[User talk:181.220.102.161|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/181.220.102.161|contribs]]) 23:51, July 27, 2022  (GMT-3)
(reset indent) So I read the half of the interview relevant to Wario. What the composer is saying is that he first received Wario's victory theme from Nintendo and was told to use it in Shake It, which is what we have written down on the wiki. Since it wasn't used in any previous Wario title (as it was a piece created specifically for Brawl), it does not fit the "three pieces used in previous Wario titles" description and therefore is likely an original tune a Smash composer made. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 23:40, July 27, 2022 (EDT)
:I should add, saying that the piece "might" not come be completely made for Smash is [[SW:SPEC|speculation]], which we do not allow on the wiki. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 23:43, July 27, 2022 (EDT)
::That's exactly why i bother to coment anything about Wario's victory theme in Smash on this talk page in the first place mate, to fact check something before doing an excessive amount of edits on muliple articles of this wiki with a information that might've not been true at all. --[[User:181.220.102.161|181.220.102.161]] ([[User talk:181.220.102.161|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/181.220.102.161|contribs]]) 00:58, July 28, 2022  (GMT-3)

== Possible Vandilism? ==

== Possible Vandilism? ==

Looking at the entire article, there seems to be a significant amount of nonsense info? There are about 15 sections for franchises that are not in Smash Bros. in any way (Such as family guy or spongebob), and a couple of actual series mention having alternate variants in "Super Smash Bros. X". The only info I could find about this game is a Fantendo article. Should probably be removed as it doesn't really seem relevant to what else is on this wiki [[User:ZerotheDragon|ZerotheDragon]] ([[User talk:ZerotheDragon|talk]]) 04:23, December 15, 2024 (EST)
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