Editing Talk:Vergeben leaks

==Including a Picture for the Vergeben leaks?==

Since the [[Gematsu leaks]] page has a fanart picture in the top right, should we have one for the Vergeben leaks page? --[[User:Andreepika11233|Andreepika11233]] ([[User talk:Andreepika11233|talk]]) 11:21, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
: If there is one, I think it would work --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 11:38, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
<gigantic picture spam/troll removed>
:: Skull Kid has nothing to do with these leaks.--[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 10:36, September 4, 2019 (EDT)

== Information ==

If any new information from Vergeben comes to light, please place it here.--[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 11:42, September 3, 2019 (EDT)

==Motion to give the Holy Loz18 a page==

Oppose we should give him the entire site. Praised be upon the man who slaid the evil Kraut Man! Kraut Man Bad! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:104.56.148.18|104.56.148.18]] ([[User talk:104.56.148.18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/104.56.148.18|contribs]]) 17:17, September 3, 2019 (EDT)</small>
:IP, [[SW:TALK|this is not how you use the talk page]]. Please leave your Loz18 grudge behind, it's in the past. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 17:26, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
:'''Hard Oppose''' to that idea, even though I know that this is an insane troll who has a huge beef against both of them. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 22:40, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
:Also you didn't [[SW:SIGN|sign your comment]].<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 22:47, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
::This. Please do so in the future with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 23:16, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
::: I also '''Oppose''' this. Vergeben has so far been pretty darn reliable, and is deserving of his own page. Loz18 has been proven to be incorrect multiple times. [[Special:Contributions/73.31.9.110|73.31.9.110]] 18:35, September 9, 2019 (EDT) SquireTurnbolt
::::'''End of discussion.''' This post was made by a troll, and does not add anything to the wiki. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 18:36, September 9, 2019 (EDT)

==[[:File:Vergeben denying Verge claim.png|This image]]==
Is this image necessary? It just shows a claim that Vergeben is denying and doesn't add much to the article at all. Plus, what makes this image stand out among the other quotes that Verbegen has made? I really don't see a reason for this image. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 19:52, September 9, 2019 (EDT)
:We could use other images of his claims; I'm perfectly fine with that. I made that edit short on time and could only grab one. All I don't want is this page to be one giant block of text, and I thought decent precedent exists with the ChaosZero leak. Plus, his posts can be saved this way (and some of them have already been deleted and don't seem to be on the wayback machine). - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 17:47, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
::Still, images of text is basically the same thing as just typing it out, it's not interesting and is not a good supplement to the passage. This could be one of the instances where fan art could work, as we did the same thing for the Gematsu leaks. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 17:52, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
:::If a good piece can be found, I won't mind removing it. For now though, I'd rather keep it. Yes, we could just interrupt the paragraph for a quote, but still. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 17:56, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
:I've actually spoke to the person who made the article and luckily he realized his mistake and changed it up. Just a small mistake he made nobody hard-latched on to gladly. I don't think its necessary to be put on to the page either, lol.[[User:ZenythSmash|ZenythSmash]] ([[User talk:ZenythSmash|talk]]) 07:38, November 14, 2019 (EST)

== Just wanna say think you for creating this page, whoever did it ==

And i want to apologize for not providing what i know at the time i offered to. College can drain your life hard.
in return, i am going to add the true source to the original Isabelle claims in the wiki page. a certain EventHubs journalist i know kept track of Vergeben rumors at the time it was still unknown it was true, [https://media.eventhubs.com/images/2018/07/28_vergeben01.jpg so he convinietly made a screencap of all the posts he made in the thread.]

i may later someday put into some in-detail context of how Verge's sources work, so people can get the clear picture he's just a guy with many sources. (unless you want to believe he's multiple insiders, be my guest lmfao) [[User:ZenythSmash|ZenythSmash]] ([[User talk:ZenythSmash|talk]]) 07:36, November 14, 2019 (EST)

No problem. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 21:55, November 26, 2019 (EST)

== Source for certain info ==

The recent page update stated that Vergeben claimed that neither he nor his source knew who FP5 was. I don’t remember him saying that. The only one that stated it was in reply to his post saying his source wasn’t sure about KOS-MOS. 

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78241015?jumpto=47#47 [[User:Operationgamer17|Operationgamer17]] ([[User talk:Operationgamer17|talk]]) 10:42, December 17, 2019 (EST)
:If he knew who it was.......... he would know if it was KOS-MOS or not.......... [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 23:42, January 5, 2020 (EST)

==ARMS fighter leak==
Where's the source for Vergeben stating the ARMS character would have different fighters for alts? I couldn't find anything on his GameFAQs page or his Reddit account.  [[User:PikaPhantom|PikaPhantom]] ([[User talk:PikaPhantom|talk]]) 17:21, June 10, 2020 (EDT)
:That’s what I’m gonna find out. [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 17:29, June 10, 2020 (EDT)

Okay, according to this article [https://www.dexerto.com/smash/prominent-smash-ultimate-leaker-shares-new-info-on-arms-dlc-fighter-1377550], someone speaking for him on Twitter confirmed it. [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 17:43, June 10, 2020 (EDT)

I do not think whatever was posted on 4chan and from NewWabiSabi is reliable, since [https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78793009?jumpto=2#2 Vergeben posted the opposite public information at the GameFAQS during the night before the reveal.] WabiSabi also had shared mistaken stuff in the past, so who ever told him about what DasVergeben said was probably trying to validate the 4chan post with false information just to discredit him. However, his activity page never updated until today for some weird reason, which could explain why so many other people had no idea about his recent postings prior the Smash and Pokemon stuff. That said, the character he officially rumored was only Min Min, this DM leak is likely fake, its not that hard to do Inspect Element within a direct message. --Ryzmat 15:52, June 26, 2020 (EDT)
:Just would like to point out that the linked post was made well after Min Min was actually revealed (late in the evening on 6/22, while Min Min was announced that morning). The point stands that the other rumor probably doesn't originate from him, but he also did not state anything about Min Min before she was common knowledge. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 17:20, June 26, 2020 (EDT)
::Yeah, also WabiSabi has been doing [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bZuP2HNqohP1lIPiTIGr9_LP1-bqVTBBFSMwdZOij1A/edit very] [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433037571338272789/731178137643384872/unknown.png discriminating] things as of late according to accusers, there's a big chance that claim was entirely made up just to discredit another prominent insider. Nothing very raw to back this, but this just tell you not to take these claims seriously.--Ryzmat 14:02, July 12, 2020 (EDT)

== Minecraft ==

I can pretty confidently sure that a statement from 2 years ago mentioning Minecraft in smash was is in no way a prediction or leak towards Steve in smash. So, is there a reason as to why his mention of Minecraft representation comes under his proven documents when the statement is extremely outdated? Just curious (and sorry for any rudeness). [[Special:Contributions/81.87.12.50|81.87.12.50]] 12:10, October 1, 2020 (EDT)
:Oh and I apologise for the bad grammar. [[Special:Contributions/81.87.12.50|81.87.12.50]] 12:11, October 1, 2020 (EDT)

-I agree. I don’t think a statement that old should be proven just because of Steve being announced, considering it was 2 years ago when it was made and quite a long while before FP2 was even planned. 
-Operationgamer17 12:16, October 1, 2020 (EDT)

He's saying on GameFAQs that this is what he's heard. End of the day he heard Minecraft content was coming to Smash, and it happened. That's the facts. Any other comments are just fanboy speculations. [[Special:Contributions/58.168.4.52|58.168.4.52]] 13:58, October 1, 2020 (EDT)

Maybe this could be worth adding. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79011455?jumpto=103#103
-Operationgamer17 2:54, October 1, 2020 (EDT)

You guys should also give Hitagi some spare light, since he was also one of the few other people calling in on Steve for Smash. (Yes, he's retired from rumors.)Ryzmat 22:16, October 1, 2020 (EDT)

According to former Minecraft production director Daniel Kaplan, this has been in the works for at least 5 years. So it could well be that Verge was right after all. [[Special:Contributions/73.40.56.255|73.40.56.255]] 11:16, October 2, 2020 (EDT)

See this is my issue: under the strictest definition of the word "prove", there's no real way to know if that deal was the one Vergeben was talking about back then. That's just circumstantial evidence, which is not synonymous with "proof". - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 11:24, October 2, 2020 (EDT)

I believe that the 5 year thing is more than enough proof, like, what else do you want? It's been proven that Minecraft in Smash was being discussed when Verge made the claim, the bottom line is Verge said Minecraft is coming to Smash at the time Minecraft in Smash was actually being discussed. There's nothing else to it. [[Special:Contributions/86.150.21.139|86.150.21.139]] 08:57, October 3, 2020 (EDT)
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 See this is my issue: under the strictest definition of the word "prove", there's no real way to know if that deal was the one Vergeben was talking about back then. That's just circumstantial evidence, which is not synonymous with "proof". - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 11:24, October 2, 2020 (EDT)
-I believe that the 5 year thing is more than enough proof, like, what else do you want? It's been proven that Minecraft in Smash was being discussed when Verge made the claim, the bottom line is Verge said Minecraft is coming to Smash at the time Minecraft in Smash was actually being discussed. [[Special:Contributions/86.150.21.139|86.150.21.139]] 08:57, October 3, 2020 (EDT)
+I believe that the 5 year thing is more than enough proof, like, what else do you want? It's been proven that Minecraft in Smash was being discussed when Verge made the claim, the bottom line is Verge said Minecraft is coming to Smash at the time Minecraft in Smash was actually being discussed. There's nothing else to it. [[Special:Contributions/86.150.21.139|86.150.21.139]] 08:57, October 3, 2020 (EDT)
-:Well Steve is in now. He never stated when Steve is coming so he's technically right. Doesn't matter if he knew about the second Fighters Pass coming two years ago. He promised Steve would be coming and Steve came. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 20:00, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
-== Deleting GameFAQs ==
-is it worth noting that Vergeben has now deleted his GameFAQs meaning he won't be leaking anything anymore? [[User:RSM|<span style="color: #714EFF">'''RSM'''</span>]] [[File:RSMSignatureHead1.png|20px|Banjo_%26_Kazooie_(SSBU)]][[File:RSMSignatureHead2.png|20px|Steve_(SSBU)]] ([[User talk:RSM|talk]]) 08:36, November 29, 2020 (EST) 13:01, January 28, 2021 (EST)
-[[File:Vergeben gamefaqs deleted.png|thumb]]
-:It looks like his account is still there to me. Although I don't use GameFAQs so I wouldn't be able to tell the difference if it really was gone. If he really did delete his account I'd say go ahead and give it a mention. [[User:WolfBloodSpam|WolfBloodSpam]] ([[User talk:WolfBloodSpam|talk]]) 01:33, January 30, 2021 (EST)
-It's still there? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/community/Vergeben
-What do you mean? --Ryzmat 20:08, June 15, 2021 (EDT)
-[[File:Vergeben's still there..png|thumb]]
-== Regarding Master Chief ==
-Vergeben made this reddit post regarding MC in Smash. Maybe the article should be updated to reflect this. https://www.reddit.com/user/DasVergeben/comments/o6alh2/update_on_things/ <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Operationgamer17|Operationgamer17]] ([[User talk:Operationgamer17|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Operationgamer17|contribs]]) 10:37, June 24, 2021 (EDT)</small>
-:That post has tons of useful information on Vergeben's current status in Smash leaks; the article as a whole could probably use touching-up with what was revealed there. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 12:20, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-::It's clear from Verge's comments [https://www.reddit.com/user/DasVergeben/comments/o6alh2/update_on_things/ here] that he was expecting Master Chief to be revealed at E3. Article should be updated. [[Special:Contributions/203.0.172.252|203.0.172.252]] 07:45, June 25, 2021 (EDT)
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