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| :Now I haven't played the first SSB that much, but from what I read, Pikachu's recovery has always been considered the best recovery in the game. I don't know where you get Ness's recovery being better, but Pikachu is better ''by far'' in ''Melee'' and in ''Brawl''. Also, Ness's recovery is often considered the second worst recovery in the original SSB. That is one reason why he took such a massive dive on the tier list. As for DK, Pikachu's is certainly better in SSBM and SSBB. I am sure it was better in SSB as well. As for Jigglypuff, her recovery is not infinite though it is better in SSBM and SSBB than Pikachu's. But from what I read about the original SSB, Jigglypuff's jumps gain significantly less height than the future games. Its last jump didn't gain any height at all. I know Koro is very knowledgeable about the first SSB and there is nothing wrong with putting a piece of information in an article that is widely agreed upon and is back up by favorable statistics. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 21:37, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | | :Now I haven't played the first SSB that much, but from what I read, Pikachu's recovery has always been considered the best recovery in the game. I don't know where you get Ness's recovery being better, but Pikachu is better ''by far'' in ''Melee'' and in ''Brawl''. Also, Ness's recovery is often considered the second worst recovery in the original SSB. That is one reason why he took such a massive dive on the tier list. As for DK, Pikachu's is certainly better in SSBM and SSBB. I am sure it was better in SSB as well. As for Jigglypuff, her recovery is not infinite though it is better in SSBM and SSBB than Pikachu's. But from what I read about the original SSB, Jigglypuff's jumps gain significantly less height than the future games. Its last jump didn't gain any height at all. I know Koro is very knowledgeable about the first SSB and there is nothing wrong with putting a piece of information in an article that is widely agreed upon and is back up by favorable statistics. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 21:37, May 2, 2010 (UTC) |
| ::In the first SSB, DK's Up special goes a VERY long horizontal distance. Ness' goes ''farther'', but I didn't say it was easier. Jiggly's is infinite, see [[Rising Pound|this]]. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 01:12, May 3, 2010 (UTC) | | ::In the first SSB, DK's Up special goes a VERY long horizontal distance. Ness' goes ''farther'', but I didn't say it was easier. Jiggly's is infinite, see [[Rising Pound|this]]. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 01:12, May 3, 2010 (UTC) |
| :::DK's recovery may be long horizontally, but gains very little vertical distance. Jigglypuff's may be infinite horizontally, but not vertically. Ness's may be far, but is too unreliable to be good. Pikachu's on other the hand, has no flaw at all. Pikachu's is a great recovery in any situation, it also has invincibility frames and is very difficult to edgeguard. With these factors in mind, that is why Pikachu's recovery was considered the best in the original SSB. With increase jumping power in ''Melee'', Jigglypuff gained a much better vertical recovery and exceeded Pikachu's recovery but that was not the case in the original SSB. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 01:40, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
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| Is there any reason why her Up-Special is not listed here? Simply wondering. [[User:Squishyfrog|<span style="color: lightseagreen;">'''Squishyfrog'''</span>]] [[User talk:Squishyfrog|''<span style="color: lightseagreen;">Chat</span>'']] 17:52, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
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| :It's under Samus. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 17:54, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
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| == Just asking.. ==
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| In SSB and SSBM, b-special moves are the only means of recovery (accept tether recovery). But in Brawl, some characters can use other attacks to aid their recovery (R.O.B. hair, Fox's Fair. What would be a appropriate Article to leave this infomation? [[User:Smashdude10|Smashdude10]] ([[User talk:Smashdude10|talk]]) 15:48, 10 March 2014 (EDT)
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| == Are descriptions needed? ==
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| I noticed this page had descriptions of the up special moves. None of the other special move lists have a description column. Personally, I think that column is unnecessary, as the info is already in the pages of the respective specials anyways. Thoughts? [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 20:46, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
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| :I think it's necessary because it's more convenient for readers to have a list of special moves accompanied by snippets describing what they do (especially if that's all they're searching for) than to have to visit each individual article. That way it's not entirely redundant/useless. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 21:24, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
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| ::Thing is, if we decide to keep the column, we might have to add it to the Final Smash, neutral special, side special, and down special pages for consistency. Besides, readers who want to know about the workings of a specific special move can always visit the page for that special move. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 21:48, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
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| :::I just marked this thread for cleanup, since either way, it'll need it. We need to decide whether or not the column needs to be kept. If we keep it, then we may need to rewrite the descriptions, since I don't think that much readers would want to read the descriptions we have now, and we may have to add description columns for the other specials lists for consistency. For now, we can use this section to vote on whether to keep or remove the column. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 16:50, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::We need to finish this discussion. As for me, I think that since we have pages on special moves already, we could remove the description columns. It isn't that big of a problem to click on the special page link. And I understand that we have moveset subpages for other moves, whilst we still keep the description snippets, but the subpages are really for technical and competitive info. <font face="sand">''[[User:Qwerty|<font color="black">Qw</font><font color="003F3F">er</font><font color="005F5F">ty</font>]] ''[[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="005F6F">(t</font><font color="003C6F">al</font><font color="000F7F">k)</font>]]</font> 22:51, 2 September 2014 (EDT)
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| '''Keep''' The descriptions adds the big idea of all of the moves for readers to view, without having overly technical details, origins, or other less important information the reader may not want to view. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 13:20, 6 September 2014 (EDT)
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| '''Keep''' We can have very brief descriptions that give people an idea of the move and its most basic uses in one glance. I think that the majority of the current descriptions should be shortened further. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 18:10, 6 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :Yeah, seems that some of them still have a ways to go. Anyways, if we do wish to keep it, we may need to add the column for the other special moves sections for consistency. Highly doubt it'll be too hard, now that I think about it. For me, I have favored deletion at first, but with valid points from those that wish to keep it, I'll assume neutrality for now. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 18:25, 6 September 2014 (EDT)
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| ::'''Keep'''. I think I might be a bit late to this debate, but as long as the descriptions aren't too long and in-depth, I think it's fine to have them on the page to give people a basic ideas of the workings of an up special. This is something I'd be willing to have on the other specials pages, too. And on that note I'd like to apologize for my reckless renovation of this page without really consenting the talk page. Let's hope this whole thing works out well. [[User:Nymbare|<span style="color:#00BFFF">Nymbare</span>]] [[User talk:Nymbare|<span style="color:#00BFFF">and his talk</span>]] 20:14, 6 September 2014 (EDT)
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