Editing Talk:Unused content (SSB4)

== Unused Things in the coding of 3DS version ==

The guy who discovered Volcanion's coding in X and Y discovered a few unused Smash Run enemies and some unused features. Among them include:

Smash Run Enemies: Nabbit and [[Ridley]]

And among that, they found unused files for stages (possible DLC stages), and there are unused files for Players, 5, 6, 7, and 8. Should this source be trusted or should we hold off until we get further confirmation? [[User:Bulbaboy|Bulbaboy]] ([[User talk:Bulbaboy|talk]]) 16:17, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
:Can you link to this source? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Multifaceted 16:18, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
::http://pastebin.com/u/Kaphotics You'll find everything here, along with their discovery of Volcanion. [[User:Bulbaboy|Bulbaboy]] ([[User talk:Bulbaboy|talk]]) 16:20, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
:::Yes I've seen that. I'm not sure if the text globs are admissable as proof for "unused enemies/stages" at this point though. The 8-player stuff I know has images and could potentially be added. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 16:24, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
::::Alright. Thanks for the info. [[User:Bulbaboy|Bulbaboy]] ([[User talk:Bulbaboy|talk]]) 16:26, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
:Nabbit and Ridley are most likely leftovers from the Wii U version, as no other Smash Run enemies are actual characters. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 18:43, 10 October 2014 (EDT)

== More Beta Elements ==

[http://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._for_Nintendo_3DS This article] showed a lot more unused things. Should we cover them? I'm not quite used to this wiki, just needed to make sure this can be covered. --[[User:EpiNa8|<font color="0033ff">'''Epi'''</font>]][[User talk:EpiNa8|<font color="ff99ff">Na8</font>]] 00:41, 3 November 2014 (EST)
:Some of them might have potential to be on the page, but I'm not sure. We should probably wait until we have clearance from the higher-ups just in case. [[User:Bulbaboy|Bulbaboy]] ([[User talk:Bulbaboy|talk]]) 19:07, 4 November 2014 (EST)
::TCRF is not exactly an official source, but with beta elements in games, the only sources are the games themselves. TCRF is a wiki, like us, that take info from the games and puts it on their wiki. I'd say we '''can''' use them, but note that while I'm a "higher-up" user, as you describe it, you shouldn't start adding it until we get more confirmation from other users. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 19:27, 4 November 2014 (EST)
:Question! I know that these characters are playable (Dark Pit, Lucina, Dr. Mario), but do you think it is or is not necessary to say that these three were planned as alternate costumes?[[User:Hylia&#39;s Eye|Hylia&#39;s Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia&#39;s Eye|talk]]) 19:11, 20 February 2015 (EST)
::Make a new section next time (there's a tab for it at the top of the page. Also, sign your talk page posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). As for your question, yes, they should be mentioned in the page. I'll go work on that now. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 14:06, 19 February 2015 (EST)

== Beta Elements discover==
I found more Beta Elements, the link is https://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._for_Wii_U or https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/01/26/smash-4-wii-u-data-discoveries/ [[User:Jf811|Jf811]] ([[User talk:Jf811|talk]]) 22:52, 27 January 2015 (EST)

==Ice Climbers Chant==
Yeah, for those who keep removing it, can you provide a source for why it's not true? I heard doubt about it, but since {{for3ds}}s release ''five months ago'' there hasn't been much opposition to it. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 11:07, 5 February 2015 (EST)
:Although I may not be the one removing it, I would like to see the source that proves it ''is'' true. [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aura Master'''</span>]] 11:42, 5 February 2015 (EST)
:Countering Bulbaboy respectfully, I found a YouTube clip that has the Ice Climber chant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXSLNJ696bU Will this do? :) [[User:Hylia&#39;s Eye|Hylia&#39;s Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia&#39;s Eye|talk]]) 19:18, 20 February 2015 (EST)
::I'd like to weigh in here, I have doubts that it really happened. I remember watching the video that "proved" it, but then I started digging into the crowd chant files for the Japanese version and listened to Villager's chant, and it sounded exactly like the supposed Ice Climber chant. I may be wrong about that, but that's what it sounded like to me. [[User:Bulbaboy|Bulbaboy]] ([[User talk:Bulbaboy|talk]]) 12:53, 5 February 2015 (EST)

==BestBuy Pre-Release Roster==
Can someone verify if this is legitimate, and if so should this be added?
20:17, 15 February 2015 (EST)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgWyVdputj0
:Old and busted. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:30, 15 February 2015 (EST)

== Rhythm Heaven character? Or just stage? ==

The page says there is a placeholder for a Rhythm Heaven character's icon. Except I've seen this evidence, and it's actually amongst a bunch of character ''and stage'' icons. Maybe it was intended for a character and maybe it wasn't; if we're being Gematsu-agnostic, there's no particular reason AFAIK to assume either (the person who first dug this up assumed character because it was just before Mega Man's icon, but Pac-Man's icon was between stage icons, so I'd call that pretty inconclusive.) --[[Special:Contributions/24.17.78.180|24.17.78.180]] 07:17, 22 February 2015 (EST)

== Pac-Man's Placeholder Victory Theme ==

Looking at the E3 Roundtable Discussion, I could swear that Pac-Man's final victory theme plays right [http://youtu.be/BDsmjbifWUk?t=1m42s here]. It might just be the loudness of the crowd that's playing over it, but I hear the final one. [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aura Master'''</span>]] 09:59, 26 February 2015 (EST)

== Unused Music ==

There's a few unused tracks in the game. Are they Beta elements or are we assuming they're for the Miiverse stage? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 08:22, 16 March 2015 (EDT)
:We have no way of no way of knowing as of now, as Miiverse has not been released yet. Some can say they will be for it, but we should probably hold off on mentioning anything about them until the stage finally comes out. [[User:Bulbaboy|Bulbaboy]] ([[User talk:Bulbaboy|talk]]) 09:57, 16 March 2015 (EDT)
::I say that we mention them, and say something along the lines of "their intended use is unknown, but there is the possibility of the tracks being used on the upcoming Miiverse stage." [[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan the'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aura Master'''</span>]] 11:24, 16 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Yeah, makes sense. [[User:Bulbaboy|Bulbaboy]] ([[User talk:Bulbaboy|talk]]) 14:02, 16 March 2015 (EDT)
::::If you do include them, be sure to acknowledge the thematic basis for connecting them to the Miiverse stage; namely, their relation either to Miis (Nintendo Land, the songs from 3DS stages based on Mii-related games) or drawing (Mario Paint). That said, there's no particular rush given that this content is more than likely "not used yet" as opposed to "not going to be used". [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:29, 16 March 2015 (EDT)
::No worries; it's most likley that they will be used. The Cutting Room Floor [https://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._for_Wii_U does show the list of songs] that are unused, and will be used for Tournament Mode and other various places in the game. [[User:Hylia&#39;s Eye|Hylia&#39;s Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia&#39;s Eye|talk]]) 12:51, 28 March 2015 (EDT)

== Maybe some organization? ==

I was just wondering if I could possibly organize the page a bit, specifically the character section.
I'm aware that there's not that much info for beta, but all of Brawl's [[Beta elements (SSBB)|unused elements are organized]]. [[User:Hylia&#39;s Eye|Hylia&#39;s Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia&#39;s Eye|talk]]) 13:00, 28 March 2015 (EDT)

== Ryu and Roy Data, mention or no? + Maybe fix characters section ==

First Question:
Well, everyone's been pretty skeptical ever since the hidden data in 1.0.6 was revealed. But, even though we don't know if it will be DLC, since then it has been confirmed by many sources to exist. Heck, even the Rhythm Heaven characters was revealed in the game's file. 

Would it be alright to mention ''all'' the hidden data from the 3DS revealed thus far? 



Second Question:
I know I mentioned this earlier, but I guess the Planned Characters section should be a bit organized. 

If it's OK, here's my idea:

===Planned===
* Characters planned to be in SSB4 (revealed by Sakurai or hidden data in the game's files) go here.
* This includes the clones who were at one point planned to be alternate costumes of their parent character.

===Considered===
* A list of characters who where in ''consideration'' for SSB4 (confirmed by Sakurai, such as Chrom or Takamaru) go here.


Happy days, [[User:Hylia&#39;s Eye|Hylia&#39;s Eye]] ([[User talk:Hylia&#39;s Eye|talk]]) 22:34, 26 April 2015 (EDT) :)
:While I do like the organization idea, we should wait a little longer before mentioning Royu on here, as it'd be rather redundant to put it here now only to have to remove it if and when they're confirmed by Nintendo or Sakurai. I'd wait until E3 at least. [[User:Bulbaboy|Bulbaboy]] ([[User talk:Bulbaboy|talk]]) 22:41, 26 April 2015 (EDT)

== Found this just now ==

[http://nintendoeverything.com/smash-bros-wii-u3ds-cut-content-includes-rock-pikmin-smash-run-co-op-more/] [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 20:35, 5 July 2015 (EDT)

== PushDustIn here ==

Hey, I'm the guy who runs Source Gaming (sourcegaming.info), and I'm the one responsible for a lot of the content on this page (not trying to toot my own horn, just trying to help you guys with '''sourcing''' (pun very intended). In addition to the data-mining that I've done with both the 3DS and Wii U version, I've also organized a team for Smash translations. I feel like its' pretty unethical to edit the Wiki to directly link to content that I've made, so I will let you guys decide if you want to or not. Plus, all the GoNintendo links are dead. 

I'm the original translation source for Takamaru being considered (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/71456706, for proof), http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/03/22/mewtwo-dlc-takamaru-and-sakurais-nico-nico-appearance/ for the original page. Most sites did not properly source me as I posted the information in the private SmashBoard's leaks group (along with the Data Dump information).

The link that Aidanzapunk posted is actually from SG also. It was translated by MaskedMan (http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/07/03/cutsmash4/).

For Chrom, here is the full Famitsu column (http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/06/28/sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-457-abilities-unlike-any-other/).

Chrom had a moveset made for him. (http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/07/04/chromsmash4/)

For the emblem databases,go here for the full details: http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/01/26/smash-4-wii-u-data-discoveries/
You will notice that the Brawl emblems also follow the character, then stage references (spaces were added by me). doubutsu (Animal Crossing) could be either in Brawl's section or Smash 4. One possible explanation for pacman being listed with the stages is because Sakurai didn't 100% commit to him right away. He wanted to get approval for his old-school design first. But that's just a theory.

http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/01/28/smash-4-data-discoveries-round-2/
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/01/28/126/
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/02/09/smash-4-data-discoveries-round-4/

I don't usually hang out on this wiki. Best way to reach me is through email (Just add @gmail to my username), or on SmashBoards (PushDustIn). I'll try to remember to check this discussion page in a couple of days.

I'll be happy to answer any additional questions about things I've found/ translated. --[[User:PushDustIn|PushDustIn]] ([[User talk:PushDustIn|talk]]) 06:06, 22 July 2015 (EDT)

Thanks.
:While some of your translations are highly valuable, I want to stress that those are what we are interested in sourcing. Articles like [http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/07/04/chromsmash4/ this] which are centered around guesswork and "connecting dots" are not things we can treat as reliable sources. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:37, 11 July 2015 (EDT)

Thanks for your reply Miles.
Please note, that I'm not asking you to add my conclusions, but I do believe that the information about Chrom having a moveset is something that should be added to the Wiki. In articles where I 'connect the dots' I make a clear distinction between what is fact and what is my opinion. I believe I've done a far better job of that than most Smash Bros-centered media. If you are still unsatisfied, then I will make a different post containing all the information without speculation. 

The Wii U daily links on this page, and the Gematsu page; link to a NeoGaf post written by spinosaurs, which then gives full credit to Source Gaming. I'm sorry for being annoying about this, but I must ask for credit. I'm not asking you to mention us by name (as that would be ridiculous), but I believe that the original source of information is always better than a secondary source. Surely this is not an outlandish request. Furthermore, this page is missing a lot of information. The only reason I haven't is because I believe it's against Wiki protocol to source yourself. At least, on Wikipedia that's a rule. If I have your blessing, I will fix the articles myself.  
--[[User:PushDustIn|PushDustIn]] ([[User talk:PushDustIn|talk]]) 06:06, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
:We don't have a policy against linking to one's own work provided that said work is reliable, and you've demonstrated that your group's translations themselves are. The Smash community depends on a level of original research very different from what Wikipedia needs. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 10:53, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
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 :We don't have a policy against linking to one's own work provided that said work is reliable, and you've demonstrated that your group's translations themselves are. The Smash community depends on a level of original research very different from what Wikipedia needs. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 10:53, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
-== Broken image link ==
-The "beta names" section of this page contains a link to an image that has been deleted. Was the image replaced with one from the final game? If so, perhaps it should be restored for this purpose. [[User:Zyrac|Zyrac]] ([[User talk:Zyrac|talk]]) 09:23, 16 October 2015 (EDT)
-:I checked Category:Articles with broken file links, it isn't there. (Just an FYI, If it isn't showing in Category:Articles with broken file links, don't complain about it.) [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''INoMed'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''(Talk • '''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''Contribs)'''''</span>]]</sup></font> 09:26, 16 October 2015 (EDT)
-::Anyways, it has been resolved by me. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''INoMed'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''(Talk • '''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''Contribs)'''''</span>]]</sup></font> 09:28, 16 October 2015 (EDT)
-:::That image shouldn't have been deleted... [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 09:34, 16 October 2015 (EDT)
-::::Exactly. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''INoMed'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''(Talk • '''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''Contribs)'''''</span>]]</sup></font> 09:35, 16 October 2015 (EDT)
-== That Dr. Mario stage leak was actually real ==
-Per title, that leak from a awhile ago that was supposedly fake is really in the game as a scrapped stage. https://twitter.com/smb123w64gb/status/716860964495175680 [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span><span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]] [[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px|link=http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/8/8d/G%26WTheme.ogg]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 02:19, 4 April 2016 (EDT)
-:I'm pretty sure this is modded, given that it looks like just some simple textures on a basic omega stage. Something like this would be more plausible in the first month or two, but after a year and a half it's not very persuasive. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:09, 4 April 2016 (EDT)
-:Smash 4 modding is a thing now, and considering how poorly done the stage is, I'd say it's still fake. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 19:21, 4 April 2016 (EDT)
-== I doubt it, but... ==
-Can we glean anything major from [http://imgur.com/a/fL6PP this?] [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 13:59, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
-:The Mega Lucario glitch is the only notable thing that we should look into. Everything else is fairly standard game programming that isn't unique enough to note. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 14:44, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
-== Petey? ==
-https://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._for_Wii_U#Petey_Piranha <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  22:05, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
-==Pokémon Trainer==
-Does Pokémon Trainer count as a cut character like the Ice Climbers? [[File:ThegameandwatchIcon2.png|20px]] [[User:Thegameandwatch|<span style=" color: Green;">'''Thegameandwatch'''</span>]] [[File:Thegameandwatch signature icon.png|20px]] [[User talk:Thegameandwatch|''<span style="color: blue;">The Nerd </span>'']] 23:52, August 24, 2021 (EDT)
-:That highly depends on whether the Trainer himself was actually planned for ''Smash 4'' but was scrapped, and as far as I'm aware, no such info exist that confirm that. [[File:JacketTerraSig1.png|20px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:JacketTerraSig2.png|20px]] 04:42, August 25, 2021 (EDT)
-:: this the closest [http://sourcegaming.info/2015/07/09/i-answer-some-questions-sakurai-famitsu-column-vol-461-464/ information] I could find. [[File:ThegameandwatchIcon2.png|20px]] [[User:Thegameandwatch|<span style=" color: Green;">'''Thegameandwatch'''</span>]] [[File:Thegameandwatch signature icon.png|20px]] [[User talk:Thegameandwatch|''<span style="color: blue;">The Nerd </span>'']] 07:11, August 25, 2021 (EDT)
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