Editing Talk:Unused content (SSB)

none you have done research clearly beta is not substitute word for early or unued.[[Special:Contributions/82.26.52.219|82.26.52.219]] 11:09, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

:In the world of gaming, "beta" refers to the [[wikipedia:Software_release_life_cycle#Beta|development phase where the software is feature complete]]. From what can be seen, all elements featured on this page presumably came from a beta of the game, and as such, the term "beta elements" makes sense: it refers to elements of gameplay that were featured in the beta of ''SSB''.

:Also, unless information is blatantly wrong (i.e. not debatable to any extent that it is wrong), no one is exempted from [[SW:1RV]]. Just a forewarning that I will rollback any future attempts at that from you.

:--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  11:21, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

Beta is the stage that happens near ready to be shipped. I don't know about you, but I don't think developers drop tons of shit from their games that close to release. Screenshots of games are taken and footage recorded usually way before the beta phase is even reached. Beta is not the correct term to use when referring to unused/pretelease content, no matter what some dickhead (not meant to be an attack on you) on the internet says.,[[Special:Contributions/82.26.52.219|82.26.52.219]] 11:26, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
:You have clearly not paid much attention to game development; it is not only normal but common for content to be cut shortly beforr release, and unless you can prove that these features were absent in the beta the term "beta content" will remain. I would also like to take this opportunity to point out that that you have  [[User:Murabito|an account]] and should only make edits when logged in. Failing to do so can qualify as a violation of our sockpuppet policy ([[SW:SOCK]]) and can lead to both your account and IP being banned from editing the wiki. --[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 11:37, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

You have no proof that these features were around at the beta phase. This wikia should not encourage stupdity. Supposed "beta" content should e referred to as unused or early content unless we are certain what stage of development is from (actual proof, not some idiot slapping beta on everything).

Me and that user are not the same person.[[Special:Contributions/82.26.52.219|82.26.52.219]] 11:40, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
: According to administrators, CheckUser has already confirmed that you are indeed the same person as that user, and I am far more inclined to trust an administrative tool that has verified the connection between your account and IP than your own increasingly dubious claims. Additionally, the term "beta content" is a catchall term that applies regardless of when the content was removed, and your personal preference is not an excuse to change it. --[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 11:52, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
::Beta isn't and has never been a catchall term, it refers to a specific point in game development before shipping. Prerelease, early, and unused are catchalls. Claiming beta is a catchall for content seen in prerelease screenshots/unused in the game's code is like claiming dubstep is a catchall for all genres of electronica. --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 13:16, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
:But it is a catchall term, and simple denial will not change that. If you have nothing better to do than bicker over something that you alone care about, perhaps you should consider refraining from editing for a while. If nothing else, I would have hoped the IP block you received would have been a clear warning for you to stop.--[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 15:27, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

== Marth ==

Marth was planned.

But not a beta element. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px orange">'''Smashedpotatoes'''</span>]]  [[User Talk:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:cerulean;text-shadow: 1px 1px 3px cyan">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] 20:43, 14 December 2015 (EST)
:Beta element = element that was only present in the beta. While there's evidence that Marth was not planned, even if he was he was not in the beta. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  20:45, 14 December 2015 (EST)
::We need to seriously reconsider this nomenclature; it's been pretty thoroughly obsolete for a while. "Beta" isn't a good catch-all for "unused data in the game code" or "stuff we know was considered during development". [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:00, 14 December 2015 (EST)
:::Yeah, it's a pretty specific term for pretty unspecific pages.
:::We could go with Unused elements. That's a nice catchall. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  21:02, 14 December 2015 (EST)
::::Nah, I think we should differentiate the two. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 21:04, 14 December 2015 (EST)
:::::Maybe rename the pages to Unused elements (SSBX) and have a section for ''Planned elements'' and ''Unused elements in game code'' or similar. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 21:06, 14 December 2015 (EST)
::::::I'd say the terminology is rather easy. Unused is a catchall for anything that was not in the game but was considered/planned/etc. Planned would be something similar to Alph or Chrom, where Sakurai decided on them, had everything laid out for them, but never got around to it. Considered would be something closer to Pac-Man in Brawl, where Sakurai thought about it but almost immediately scrapped it. Then there could be removed or cut, which would be Mewtwo or Roy in Brawl, who were coded and ready to go but scrapped at the last second. (Scrapped could work for that too) <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  21:12, 14 December 2015 (EST)
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