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| I think we should rename this page '''Beta element''', and split into '''List of beta elements (SSB)''', etc. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Ac2k|Ac2k]] ([[User talk:Ac2k|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|contribs]]) 11:23, 25 April 2013</small> | | I think we should rename this page '''Beta element''', and split into '''List of beta elements (SSB)''', etc. {{unsigned|Ac2k|11:23, 25 April 2013}} |
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| To quote the comment I left [[Talk:Beta elements (SSB)|here]]; "''Beta isn't and has never been a catchall term, it refers to a specific point in game development before shipping. Prerelease, early, and unused are catchalls. Claiming beta is a catchall for content seen in prerelease screenshots/unused in the game's code is like claiming dubstep is a catchall for all genres of electronica.''" --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 14:58, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :But it is a catchall term, and simple denial will not change that. If you have nothing better to do than bicker over something that you alone care about, perhaps you should consider refraining from editing for a while. If nothing else, I would have hoped the IP block you received would have been a clear warning for you to stop.--[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 15:21, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
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| ::lern2debate kthx. You seem to be the one in denial. Back to my point: Dubstep, despite being a genre of electronica, is not a catchall for all electronica genres. Beta is in the same ball park. It refers to a point of development, but it is not a catchall for altered or unused content from prerelease footage/unused game code, which could have been removed far earlier in development. It seems to be futile convincing you since you won't listen and in general you're turning a blind eye to things that are blatantly obvious. --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 15:30, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :::Beta can refer to a specific phase of development, but it is also very generally used as a synonym for "prerelease". The page title isn't inaccurate. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:33, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :You're sticking your fingers in your ears again. The title is inaccurate. Beta only refers to one phase of development, you all know which one or probably don't because you're all not listening to reason. The erroneous use of beta as a synonym to refer to prerelease or unused content is likely an error which became mainspread not unlike a disease after some guy mislabeled some early/unused content. Two wrongs don't make a right. --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 12:45, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| ::The unfortunate reality is, incorrect language becomes correct through usage. Your argument is nothing but "it's technically incorrect", which is typically a weak argument by [[SW:OFFICIAL|our standards]]. I agree that it's lame to use the term "beta" as a catch-all, but if the majority wants to keep doing it, we can't really stop them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Ghostbuster 12:50, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| ::No it does not, the incorrect language is still incorrect. It only becomes "correct" because we have to cater to morons who don't do their research. It took 5 minutes to find the correct meaning of beta. But if this wikia wants to cater to illiterate shitheads, that's fine by me. We don't have to be the majority, we're allowed to refer to prerelease content by its correct title (unsuprisingly, prerelease), beta can be a redirect instead. --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 12:59, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :::If you can't participate in a discussion without being rude, people aren't going to listen to you, and you may attract a block if you keep it up. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Interspacial 13:05, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :::I'm indifferent towards this debate, but just so you know, this wiki isn't a part of Wikia. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 13:07, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :::I have to be aggresive because it's clear you aren't listening. --[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 13:13, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::Okay... I seriously understand what you're saying, and it does slightly frustrate me as well. But, as has been said, Language, in in itself, what it's speakers make of it. What the page title needs to be is something they will find and understand - practically every other site uses this term, which therefore makes it a form of slang. And, sadly, yes, we have to cater to people who don't do their research, because this is a '''wiki'''. Which means this is where they're doing research. Yes, we do have to cater to the majority. Score[[Special:Contributions/ScoreCounter|C]]o[[User:ScoreCounter|u]]n[[User Talk:ScoreCounter|t]]er 13:23, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :::::Renaming the "beta element" articles to "development history of..." articles and making "beta elements" a redirect is not going to make it harder for a bunch of people who want to find out what the character select menu of Melee looked like earlier in development.[[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 13:26, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :Hold up. Aggressiveness will get you nowhere here; it will only make things worse. When someone disagrees with you, it's not because they're not listening. Please consider what they have to say; if you feel they are wrong, state a valid reason instead of restating your view baselessly. If you cannot discuss this in a civil manner, you may need to take a break for a little while. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:27, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :As far as I can tell, the argument for renaming is that Murabito (and nobody else) considers the name to be incorrect and that the wiki as a whole is "stupid" to leave it as is, in spite of the fact that renaming it would have no effect on the actual content and was never offensive or even incorrect in the first place. If anything, it seems to me that the problem lies less with the article name and more with the user who feels like his personal preference override the consensus of the entire wiki. Such behavior is not conducive to productive editing, and as such I request that the issue be dropped at once. --[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 15:55, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| ::Anothrgamr r u n denial? [[User:Murabito|Murabito]] ([[User talk:Murabito|talk]]) 17:22, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :::No, he's right. Only you want the name to be changed, and even if we did, it wouldn't change the content of the page whatsoever. There's no reason for a name change. [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 17:33, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| ::Actually there is. The reason why noone is agreeing with me is because the admins don't agree so therefore you must all agree with them. Also because you've all been brainwashed into thinking beta is the correct term when it isn't. If you would just use the correct words for once in your lives this would have been resolved earlier.[[User:Murabito]] [[File:Villager SSB4.png|20px]] 18:07, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :::That's not why. We don't agree with admins because they're admins. We agree with them because we agree with them. Besides, [[SW:OFFICIAL|we don't have to use the correct term]] for names of moves or articles. Also, your signature [[SW:SIG|violates our signature policy]] - fix it, please. [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 18:13, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| :::If everyone is just following the admins and agreeing with them on everything, then why does the admin policy have [[SmashWiki:Administrators#Administrators are not kings|a section that explains why admins are not kings]]? Point is, almost everyone here agrees that there is no point in making such a big deal over a minor thing. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 18:16, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
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| I '''Support''' the move per the tag. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 19:03, 22 December 2015 (EST)
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| :'''Strongest support possible''' WAY inaccurate. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 19:03, 22 December 2015 (EST)
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| :'''Support''': Side note: the ''Beta elements (SSBX)'' pages should be moved as well. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:06, 22 December 2015 (EST)
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| ::Agreed. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 19:06, 22 December 2015 (EST)
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| ::Oh and perhaps [[:Category:Beta elements]] should go too. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:08, 22 December 2015 (EST)
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| '''Support''' per tag. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:#090">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: #f00;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:10, 22 December 2015 (EST)
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| '''Strong support'''. Kind of obscure title for something that a highly regarded source such as TCRF just calls "unused content". I suppose a redirect should be left for those that try to search with obvious terms. [[User:F0rZ3r0F0r|F0rZ3r0F0r]] ([[User talk:F0rZ3r0F0r|talk]]) 21:44, 22 December 2015 (EST)
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| :'''Strong support''' per tag. Great idea, it can encapsulate both planned and beta elements. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px orange">'''Smashedpotatoes'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:cerulean;text-shadow: 1px 1px 3px cyan">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] 01:06, 23 December 2015 (EST)
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