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{{notice|We understand that tiers are a point of contention among members of the Smash community. However, this page discusses the tier lists that the Smash Back Room | {{notice|We understand that tiers are a point of contention among members of the Smash community. However, this page discusses the tier lists that the Smash Back Room have posted. These are accepted by almost every high level player, and as such are important and notable content to this wiki. Discussion on this talk page should be limited to the content of the page, not to debate on the ordering of tiers, '''we report the tier lists, we don't decide them'''. If you want to discuss the tier lists, go to these forums; ([[Forum:Tier List Discussion (Smash 4)|forum for Smash 4]], [[Forum:Tier List Discussion (Melee)|forum for Melee]]). If you want to argue tier placements, take it to Smashboards, not here. | ||
Additionally, '''do not use this page to argue about the existence of tiers'''. If you firmly believe tiers do not exist and are intent on changing the Wiki's stance about it, go see the argument we have on it on [[User:Semicolon/Treatise on the Existence of Tiers|this page here]], and thoroughly refute the treatise on its talk page, do not argue it here.}} | Additionally, '''do not use this page to argue about the existence of tiers'''. If you firmly believe tiers do not exist and are intent on changing the Wiki's stance about it, go see the argument we have on it on [[User:Semicolon/Treatise on the Existence of Tiers|this page here]], and thoroughly refute the treatise on its talk page, do not argue it here.}} | ||
<big>'''Simplified version of the above: <span style="color:green">Don't edit this page unless you have something to contribute about ''what'' | <big>'''Simplified version of the above: <span style="color:green">Don't edit this page unless you have something to contribute about ''what'' the SBR said and the content of this article. We don't care if you disagree with them or tiers in general.</span></big>''' | ||
==Where is Ultimate's tier list?== | ==Where is Ultimate's tier list?== | ||
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Just wondering, why is/has Lucina so said to be so broken? I play her and I found her no better then Marth (who I play as well) as she has much more consistent kill power and edguarding for sure, but unless you get hit by a back air or forward/up smash she can have trouble killing, which Marth doesn’t have as much due to his kill potions being less consistent but much more widespread, and also I find her incapable of getting any relatively early kills. Unlike Marth, who can kill at Ganondorf percentages. So why is she so broken? She is a good character for sure, but how come people think she is so broken? | Just wondering, why is/has Lucina so said to be so broken? I play her and I found her no better then Marth (who I play as well) as she has much more consistent kill power and edguarding for sure, but unless you get hit by a back air or forward/up smash she can have trouble killing, which Marth doesn’t have as much due to his kill potions being less consistent but much more widespread, and also I find her incapable of getting any relatively early kills. Unlike Marth, who can kill at Ganondorf percentages. So why is she so broken? She is a good character for sure, but how come people think she is so broken? | ||
[[User:MetaKnightX6|MetaKnightX6]] ([[User talk:MetaKnightX6|talk]]) 17:16, July 5, 2021 (EDT) | [[User:MetaKnightX6|MetaKnightX6]] ([[User talk:MetaKnightX6|talk]]) 17:16, July 5, 2021 (EDT) | ||
==information that can change tiers== | ==information that can change tiers== | ||
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::Kind of a reiteration on my point, but the input delay, while affects characters, does not really affect their viability. Strong online characters such as Ness, Game & Watch, R.O.B., and Min Min are still strong characters offline. On the other hand, while weak offline characters such as Little Mac, Jigglypuff, and even Ganondorf have their good Wi-Fi Warriors, they still have overall abysmal performances online. Despite the common perception, for the most part the characters who are good offline are still good online, and the characters who are bad offline may have a bit more benefits online, but are ultimately still bad online. | ::Kind of a reiteration on my point, but the input delay, while affects characters, does not really affect their viability. Strong online characters such as Ness, Game & Watch, R.O.B., and Min Min are still strong characters offline. On the other hand, while weak offline characters such as Little Mac, Jigglypuff, and even Ganondorf have their good Wi-Fi Warriors, they still have overall abysmal performances online. Despite the common perception, for the most part the characters who are good offline are still good online, and the characters who are bad offline may have a bit more benefits online, but are ultimately still bad online. | ||
Finally, with DLC ongoing until December, we won't see an actual, "good" ''Ultimate'' tier list until at least a year later, so even if we do consider an online tier list, we won't be adding one anytime soon. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 23:09, July 5, 2021 (EDT) | Finally, with DLC ongoing until December, we won't see an actual, "good" ''Ultimate'' tier list until at least a year later, so even if we do consider an online tier list, we won't be adding one anytime soon. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 23:09, July 5, 2021 (EDT) | ||