Editing Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

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== Sorry, Havoc ==

I didn't put that there. I don't know how that happened, but I know I didn't do it. I just edited the picture not the "Final" thing.-[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[Image:002MS.png]] 01:47, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
:Fail. Havoc did not direct it at you in any way. He just wondered why it was there.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 01:49, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
:<small>(edit conflict)</small>Just noticed it when you edited the image near it. I didn't blame you for it. Going through the page history it seems that's been there for a while. '''<span style="font-family:Magneto;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="navy">--Havoc</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|']][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="Cyan">48</font>]]</span>''' 01:52, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

== A Change from Melee to Brawl ==
There's something about Brawl, besides tripping, bothers me. Hitstun has been reduced right? When I do a multi-hit attack, it's escaped with Smash DI, correct? Well, besides that, I'm discovering that most multi-hit moves make a character, motionless or otherwise, escape out of it, even if the opponent doesn't DI. Some examples are: Sonic's up-smash, Lucas' n-air, Luigi Cyclone, what have you. I perused the SSBB character pages many times to easily extrapolate that some multi-hit moves (although there are exceptions) in Brawl are harder to trap a character with. It has to be the new, if unfavorable, physics that cause this discrepancy. Wouldn't it be easier on the characters if they had no multi-hit attacks? [[User:Lili Rochefort 1965|Lili Rochefort 1965]] ([[User talk:Lili Rochefort 1965|talk]]) 18:32, 5 January 2011 (EST)
:I don't really know what you're trying to say here; first of all this page is for discussion of how to improve the Brawl page, not as a forum or place to just talk about anything, and secondly some multi-hit moves in Brawl are actually very difficult to escape because they have reduced SDI ability. (Also, Luigi Cyclone is actually designed to not multi-hit.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomprehensible 18:42, 5 January 2011 (EST)

Falco's standard attack,[if held down] is a multi-hit.[[User:Sandvich9|Sandvich9]] ([[User talk:Sandvich9|talk]]) 23:36, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

== A question ==

I was wondering, does anyone here know if there will be a new super smash bros game? <code>[[User:Mesuxelf|<font color="indianred">Mesprit</font>]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]], [[User:Mesuxelf|<font color="blue">Azelf</font>]].  Mesuxelf</code> 11:38, 18 January 2011 (EST)
:There's been precisely zero confirmation of anything of the sort. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:55, 18 January 2011 (EST)
::Precisely? So there has been a little bit of info about it? <code>[[User:Mesuxelf|<font color="indianred">Mesprit</font>]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]], [[User:Mesuxelf|<font color="blue">Azelf</font>]].  Mesuxelf</code> 12:01, 18 January 2011 (EST)
:::None. Zilch.  Nada.  0.  Precisely means exactly, if that wasn't clear. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:45, 18 January 2011 (EST)
:::: Oh, Sorry! I thaught that it ment Practicly. <code>[[User:Mesuxelf|<font color="indianred">Mesprit</font>]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]], [[User:Mesuxelf|<font color="blue">Azelf</font>]].  Mesuxelf</code> 12:50, 18 January 2011 (EST)

Actually, there is. Nintendo Direct already confirmed that.[[User:Sandvich9|Sandvich9]] ([[User talk:Sandvich9|talk]]) 23:38, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

== Wii Remote ==

Wii remote should be Wii Remote. If I change it, content will be deleted because the page is large. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Stop smiling, it makes me happy.'' 19:01, 9 September 2011 (EDT)
:Thank you Anon. :) <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Stop smiling, it makes me happy.'' 19:28, 9 September 2011 (EDT)

== stages ==

Shouldn't a "stages" list be included in this page? Just like SSB and SSBM have?--[[User:Kombatgod|Kombatgod]] ([[User talk:Kombatgod|talk]]) 20:31, 31 December 2011 (EST)

== Lost Characters from Melee ==

I think the sentence which implies that Toon Link replaced Young Link, as well as the others should be removed as it is not confirmed in-game or by the developers of the game, as well as leftover data on Brawl's disc disproving the fact for Ike and Lucario. Anyone agree or disagree? [[User:Yiran|Yiran]] ([[User talk:Yiran|talk]]) 22:38, 3 January 2012 (EST)
:All the sentence is saying is that for each character removed, a character from the series replaced them, replaced meaning that another character was in for each removed. The sentence can easily be confused for saying that so and so is the replacement of so and so due to "similiar" movesets. Regardless, in the context used by Pichu and Pokemon Trainer, one can see that those characters are the new representives of the series, rather than replacements for characters. That sentence makes no sense, but just use Pichu and PT to see things. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 23:02, 3 January 2012 (EST)
::No, that sentence is saying the characters were replaced, which as pointed out by Yiran, is not supported by ingame data, nor have any confirmation from the developers. That sentence certainly should be rewritten. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:55, 4 January 2012 (EST)

Well, Melee had more characters. But i'm sad that they took Mewtwo out of the lineup.[[User:Sandvich9|Sandvich9]] ([[User talk:Sandvich9|talk]]) 23:43, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

== Brawl is worse than Melee ==

I can name several reasons why Melee is better than Brawl. '''NOTE: The following, unless indicated, will refer to Melee.'''
#Requires less technical skill and prediction.
#The gameplay is faster, giving players more potential skill.
#[[Wavedash]]ing and [[L-cancel]]ling, combined with increased [[Hitstun|hitstun]], gives characters more combo ability in Melee than in Brawl.
#More techniques.
#None of the attacks, specials, smashes, etc. cause significant hitlag, making it harder to DI.
#No tripping.
Short reason: More offense. [[User:Avengingbandit|<font face="Soft Hits" color="#FF7F00">'''Avenging'''</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font face="Soft Hits" color="#FF7F00">'''bandit'''</font>]] [[File:Matchup2of8.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit]] 04:07, 5 January 2012 (EST)
:Dude take that to the forum, and all the things you said are OPINION as these xhanges isnt always bad. Bright side, more character, stages, modes storyline etc... [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red"> :o '''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''CREEP''']] [[Image:MCLucas.png|25px]] 04:25, 5 January 2012 (EST)
:We are not listing your opinion on this page as fact. And can I already tell you, your claims that Melee requires more prediction and has "more techniques" is just wrong. Now read [[SW:TALK]], and do not use talk pages to spout your opinion of the article subject again. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 05:41, 5 January 2012 (EST)
::I just want to get my opinion out. And OT, it's LESS prediction, not more prediction. Melee has more techniques (wavedashing, L-cancelling, spikes) but does Brawl have that? NO! But fine. I'll take this to the forum. [[User:Avengingbandit|<font face="Soft Hits" color="#FF7F00">'''Avenging'''</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font face="Soft Hits" color="#FF7F00">'''bandit'''</font>]] [[File:Matchup2of8.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit]] 13:10, 5 January 2012 (EST)
:::[[SW:TALK]]. We do not care about your opinion. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:01, 5 January 2012 (EST)
::::This belongs on your user page, or nowhere at all. Read [[SW:TALK]]. <span style="font-family:Andalus; font-size:12pt">[[User:Meta Ike|<font color="indigo">'''Meta''' </font>]]  [[User talk:Meta Ike|<font color="purple"> '''Ike'''</font>]]</span> [[File:MetaIke.png|34px]]  14:49, 22 July 2012 (EDT)

Brawl is the BEST in the series [so far]. But, I was sad when I found out Mewtwo wasn't there.[[User:Sandvich9|Sandvich9]] ([[User talk:Sandvich9|talk]]) 23:48, 5 October 2012 (EDT)
:By giving an opinion that does not offer anything in regards to improving this article, you are also violating [[SW:TALK]]. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 09:14, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

== ESRB Rating ==

I got a question that maybe everyone can help me figure out. Why was Brawl rated Teen? It's not as violent compared to a Call of Duty game. No blood was in the game either. The only fluids that came from the characters that doesn't hurt other characters would be Yoshi's spit. If you know why it was rated Teen, please edit.[[User:Sandvich9|Sandvich9]] ([[User talk:Sandvich9|talk]]) 12:14, 1 January 2013 (EST)

:Probably because of Snake's weapons, and maybe ZSS' sex appeal. But no one really cares and this question does not improve the article in any way, so you should refrain from asking rather pointless questions.--[[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] '''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color="red">PSIWolf</font>]]''''' <small>[[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color="#4169e1">The one</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color="#228b22">and only!</font>]]</small> 12:44, 1 January 2013 (EST)
::Or maybe just the inclusion of fighting. [[User:BlueRidiculous|BlueRidiculous]] ([[User talk:BlueRidiculous|talk]]) 12:49, 1 January 2013 (EST)

:::Please do not continue this pointless discussion. You can't even be right, seing as ''SSB'' was not rated T.--[[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] '''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color="red">PSIWolf</font>]]''''' <small>[[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color="#4169e1">The one</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color="#228b22">and only!</font>]]</small> 12:50, 1 January 2013 (EST)

:The reason was reportedly because the ESRB found the violence in both Melee and Brawl to be more realistic than that found in the original game.

:in b4 PSIWolf bitches out at me. [[Special:Contributions/65.49.14.55|65.49.14.55]] 13:42, 1 January 2013 (EST)

(Not indenting this because it essentially addresses everyone) Please take this to the forums or IRC. The talk page here is for discussion of the article, of which the ESRB rating is a very small and minor aspect. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  13:45, 1 January 2013 (EST)

I wouldn't call this completely irrelevant, as the reasons behind Brawl being rated T (when many expected E10) could be argued as relevant content for the article (problem though is that it would verge on speculation territory). So don't necessarily jump the newbie for asking it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:31, 1 January 2013 (EST)

As I recall, the T box is labelled with "Cartoon Violence", "Crude Humor", and "Suggestive Themes". The crude humour is clearly due to Wario (farting and nose-picking) while the "suggestive themes" is probably related to ZSS's outfit and related cutscenes/codecs. That said we have the E10+ Mario Strikers Charged, which had Wario in about the same capacity, mildly suggestive outfits and animations, and a reasonably equivalent level of violence. Maybe the one thing that pushed Brawl over the edge is a hidden distinction between "sports violence" and "combat violence"? Not really much to mention. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 17:00, 1 January 2013 (EST)

== Character pages ==

So we have the pages for characters that appear in multiple Smash games styled like 'Falco (SSBM)/Falco (SSBB)', in addition to the normal 'Falco' page. But should redirects like 'Falco (Melee)/Falco (Brawl)' also be created?--<span style="border:2px outset orange;background-color: gold">'''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color="red">PSIWolf</font>]]'''</span> <small>[[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color="#4169e1">a.k.a.</font>]]</small> [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color="#228b22">Luna!</font>]] 08:56, 20 April 2013 (EDT)

:The likelihood that someone would search that is very low, since it's not official or commonly used by the community. Character (SSBB) is really just a SmashWiki thing. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 09:11, 20 April 2013 (EDT)

==HQ images==
found this site called Spriters resource, and in the [http://www.spriters-resource.com/wii/ssbb/ brawl section] of the website it has renders and images pulled right out of the game. I figure you guys would want to have access to the backgroundless .png version of the brawl character renders for the wiki, instead of the current .jpg format ones you currently have. If you want I could start uploading images, but if you'd rather have someone else do it thats fine.<br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 19:16, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

== Pictures ==

The gallery is messed up, the pictures don't match the text [[Special:Contributions/84.168.86.138|84.168.86.138]] 09:07, 10 December 2013 (EST)
:Appears fine on my browser. What internet browser are you using?  [[Special:Contributions/108.194.146.62|108.194.146.62]] 09:16, 10 December 2013 (EST)

== Character table links ==

Right now in the table of characters, clicking on the images of the characters (which take up the large majority of the real estate in each cell) takes you to the page for the image, not the page of the character who you were likely attempting to navigate to. I realize this is currently the standard, but I think that standard is silly. It is far more user-friendly if the images take you to the pages that they represent instead of to their media pages. I'm looking for a few agreeing voices/discussion, and if there's consent, I can go through and change the table to make it more friendly and save numerous clicks. This applies to similar tables. I made the table for the PM character list and linked it so that the images took you to the character pages. Comparing the two, I find that taking you to the proper destination is more friendly. [[User:Ryxis|Ryxis]] ([[User talk:Ryxis|talk]]) 23:27, 29 December 2013 (EST)
:I would not mind that. I agree that sometimes the over-linking of images is annoying, but in this case it'd be an improvement. — [[User:Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon|Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon]] ([[User talk:Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon|talk]]) [[File:Jigglypuff_the_Magic_Dragon_sig.png]] 12:31, 30 December 2013 (EST)
:What I don't understand is why this would be necessary if links to the character pages are right under their pictures? <span style="font-family:Impact">''[[User:Brawls of fury|<span style="color:#CC5500">BRAWLS</span>]] [[File:BoFSig.png|19px]] OF [[File:BoFSig.png|19px]][[User talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color:#8A3324">FURY</span>]]''</span> 15:39, 30 December 2013 (EST)
::To minimize the amount of clicks a typical reader will have to do to reach the page they want, I think. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 15:47, 30 December 2013 (EST)
I think this is a good idea, however, since it seems a bit unnecessary to have two things that link to the same page right next to each other, I think it would also be a good idea to unlink the names of the characters (and probably the stages too since their images ought to be linked) while the images can be linked to what they represent. <span style="font-family:Impact">''[[User:Brawls of fury|<span style="color:#CC5500">BRAWLS</span>]] [[File:BoFSig.png|19px]] OF [[File:BoFSig.png|19px]][[User talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color:#8A3324">FURY</span>]]''</span> 00:10, 31 December 2013 (EST)
:I don't agree with removing the links in the character names. It's not like we're desperate for space and can't handle the tag around the character names, so I see no reason to remove them. Sure it's redundant, but users are used to seeing blue links and it makes these tables easier to navigate. We need to decide on a standard for these tables for consistency's sake. Right now, Brawl has image links and no character links, but every other game has both. [[User:Ryxis|Ryxis]] ([[User talk:Ryxis|talk]]) 08:57, 1 January 2014 (EST)
::I will assume that the linked images were intended for the typical reader since you left no rebuttal that would say otherwise to Scr7 or I and that everything else Scr7 said is also true for the same reason. I will define "typical" as being synonymous with "usual" and "common" so that we could also say "common readers". Since the linked images were intended for the typical reader because the typical reader would click on the images to go to the characters page, I thought that linking to the characters page in the names is unnecessary and should be removed since it wouldn't be used by the typical user. There are also links in the names of the characters in the section titled "Voice actors". With there being several links in the article to the characters pages and typical users clicking on the images in the table cells (not the names) it shouldn't be hard to navigate the article or the table. You also said that this would "save numerous clicks". If we leave the linked names in, the typical user may also click on the image and the linked name thinking that they linked to different pages since it would be unnecessary/wouldn't make sense to have the links right next to each other, and the typical user making numerous and unnecessary clicks also went against the idea of adding the linked images. Finally, I think that leaving the linked names in would be bad style per [[SW:MoS]]:
::"''Generally, only link to an article once. If "damage" is mentioned five times on a page, it should only link to [[damage]] the first time. The exception is if the page is very long, in which case it can be linked again near the start of a later section. ''".
::This is what I would consider a long article. That is why rather than having the links in the same place, I got rid of the unnecessary links that were in the same place and left the ones that linked to the same pages in a different section. I would also be fine with fixing the other articles to be more like this one for the sake of consistency. Also, claiming something along the lines of "There's no reason not to" is a bad premise since that doesn't justify doing so/mean that not doing so is the inferior option. <span style="font-family:Impact">''[[User:Brawls of fury|<span style="color:#CC5500">BRAWLS</span>]] [[File:BoFSig.png|19px]] OF [[File:BoFSig.png|19px]][[User talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color:#8A3324">FURY</span>]]''</span> 18:40, 1 January 2014 (EST)

We went over this and you never really gave a reason as to why we should get rid of the links in the names. It makes it easier to navigate. No, it doesn't make it hard to navigate or confuse people to have both. And yes, some people will use one while some will use the other. Not everyone expects an image to be a link, so some people will go to the name to click there. Some people will naturally click on the image, so it makes sense for that to link as well. Seriously, why are you so passionate about there not being links in the names? It's just more navigable and user friendly. And I don't think the cited portion of [[SW:MoS]] applies in a table, which is reminiscent of a menu more so than a book. That portion of the manual of style just means you shouldn't link ever instance of the word Fox to the Fox page in an article about waveshining. [[User:Ryxis|Ryxis]] ([[User talk:Ryxis|talk]]) 01:57, 27 January 2014 (EST)
:"''And I don't think the cited portion of [[SW:MoS]] applies in a table, which is reminiscent of a menu more so than a book.''"
:You think correctly. Since [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:REPEATLINK#What_generally_should_not_be_linked| Wikipedia says so also], I will amend the Manual of Style to make it more clear since no user should ever be forced to assume what a guideline means. Since this is what the Manual of Style means, I will discard my other points and leave the links in the names. <span style="font-family:Impact">''[[User:Brawls of fury|<span style="color:#CC5500">BRAWLS</span>]] [[File:BoFSig.png|19px]] OF [[File:BoFSig.png|19px]][[User talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color:#8A3324">FURY</span>]]''</span> 15:25, 27 January 2014 (EST)

== Character Images ==
I have copies of all the characters without the blue background that I can upload for this page. It would definitely clean up the character list a bit and look more streamlined. What do you guys think? <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; font-size:10pt">[[User:Johnnywellens|<span style="color:forestgreen">JohnnyWellens</span>]]</span> [[Image: SonicHeadSSB4-U.png ]] 16:40, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

== Only Appearance? ==
The list says this game is Toon Link, ROB and Game and Watch's only Wii appearance (barring virtual console) but I checked and all appeared in the Wii's Warioware instalment. Does that count? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 15:47, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
:I guess they appear as a cameo. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The Happy 15:51, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
::As the subjects of Microgames, so yes. Would it count? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 16:01, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
:::They Removed that one bit of trivia on Shiek's page about how OoT was her only non-SSB appearance when she got a cameo in Scribblenauts, so I would assume it'd be fine. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]) 21:54, 17 May 2014 (EDT)

== Only game to have a newcomer in the top teir? ==

This trivia is a bit vague. And false if taken at face value, Sheik was top teir for a lot of Melee's life if I remember. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 04:45, 6 June 2014 (EDT)

:My apologies. What I meant is that ''Brawl'' is the first game to have a newcomer rank first on its tier list. This is actually true as in ''Melee'', Fox ranked number one, and Fox was a veteran. '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User Talk:MeatBall104|With dirty rice]] [[Special:Contributions/MeatBall104|on teh side!]] 09:46, 6 June 2014 (EDT)
::OT's already removed the trivia in question, both because of the time period where Sheik was #1 in Melee but also because "only one of two possible times did this happen" doesn't make for good trivia. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 09:53, 6 June 2014 (EDT)

== Odd wording ==

I was looking at the page and saw this: "There is a landing lag glitch on not all but several characters, that causes the character when they land to be inflicted with the landing lag of a helplessness-inducing special move, if they grabbed the edge during the move, or after using the move before landing." It is oddly worded. Can someone help me and change this? [[User:Da Random Bro|Da Random Bro]] ([[User talk:Da Random Bro|talk]]) 19:45, 9 June 2014 (EDT)

==items? Assist trophies?==
Should there be a list of items and one of assist trophies? I can't make one myself, but it seems like a good idea. [[User:Littlesquirtle|Littlesquirtle]] ([[User talk:Littlesquirtle|talk]]) 20:17, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
:First off, when making a new section, put it at the ''bottom'' of the page, not the top. Second, no, as an Assist Trophy is technically an item. We do have [[Assist Trophy|this page]], though. [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 20:41, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
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 #None of the attacks, specials, smashes, etc. cause significant hitlag, making it harder to DI.
 #No tripping.
 Short reason: More offense. [[User:Avengingbandit|<font face="Soft Hits" color="#FF7F00">'''Avenging'''</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font face="Soft Hits" color="#FF7F00">'''bandit'''</font>]] [[File:Matchup2of8.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit]] 04:07, 5 January 2012 (EST)
 :Dude take that to the forum, and all the things you said are OPINION as these xhanges isnt always bad. Bright side, more character, stages, modes storyline etc... [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red"> :o '''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''CREEP''']] [[Image:MCLucas.png|25px]] 04:25, 5 January 2012 (EST)
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 Brawl is the BEST in the series [so far]. But, I was sad when I found out Mewtwo wasn't there.[[User:Sandvich9|Sandvich9]] ([[User talk:Sandvich9|talk]]) 23:48, 5 October 2012 (EDT)
-:By giving an opinion that does not offer anything in regards to improving this article, you are also violating [[SW:TALK]]. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 09:14, 6 October 2012 (EDT) brawl is the best wii game other then twilight princess.
+:By giving an opinion that does not offer anything in regards to improving this article, you are also violating [[SW:TALK]]. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 09:14, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
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 == Character Images ==
-I have copies of all the characters without the blue background that I can upload for this page. It would definitely clean up the character list a bit and look more streamlined. What do you guys think? <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; font-size:10pt">[[User:Johnnywellens|<span style="color:forestgreen">JohnnyWellens</span>]]</span> [[Image: SonicHeadSSB4-3.png ]] 16:40, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
+I have copies of all the characters without the blue background that I can upload for this page. It would definitely clean up the character list a bit and look more streamlined. What do you guys think? <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; font-size:10pt">[[User:Johnnywellens|<span style="color:forestgreen">JohnnyWellens</span>]]</span> [[Image: SonicHeadSSB4-U.png ]] 16:40, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
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 ==items? Assist trophies?==
 Should there be a list of items and one of assist trophies? I can't make one myself, but it seems like a good idea. [[User:Littlesquirtle|Littlesquirtle]] ([[User talk:Littlesquirtle|talk]]) 20:17, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
-:First off, when making a new section, put it at the ''bottom'' of the page, not the top. Second, no, that's why we have [[Assist Trophy|this page]] and [[Item|this page]] for. [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 20:41, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
+:First off, when making a new section, put it at the ''bottom'' of the page, not the top. Second, no, as an Assist Trophy is technically an item. We do have [[Assist Trophy|this page]], though. [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 20:41, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
-== Reception  ==
-Hey Miles. Any reason why you removed [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl&diff=692096&oldid=690057 this]? [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Snoopy 20:52, 27 August 2015 (EDT)
-:Opinionated and represents one of many opinions on Brawl, and not really even close to neutral in tone. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:17, 27 August 2015 (EDT)
-== Another version? ==
-I don't remember that much but I think years ago I went by some friend's house down the street. She had Super Smash Bros Brawl. and I think I saw a GameCube version of the Super Smash Bros Brawl. But we couldn't play it because there was no memory card inserted in the Wii Console.
-I couldn't find results of a GameCube version anywhere and I both me and my friend doesn't live at where the event took place anymore. I haven't seen her in years. But this is just to tell you that there might be a GameCube version for it and there are probably no results about a GameCube version for it.
-:You're thinking of [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], which is available for the GameCube. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Dragon Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 16:11, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
-== Character table error ==
-On the characters table in the veteran section, Yoshi has the Mario universe symbol instead of the Yoshi universe symbol. [[User: Zero93|Zero93]] 14:10, 26th June 2018 (GMT)
-:Fixed. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 10:24, 26 June 2018 (EDT)
-There is another error I've just noticed on the character table, the Luigi text isn't in bold to indicate that he is unlockable. [[User: Zero93|Zero93]] 11:52, 27th June 2018 (GMT)
-:Too easy, anything else? [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 11:52, 27 June 2018 (EDT)
-::Looks better now. I'm a new user on this site, and when I was trying to edit the table it wouldn't let me for some reason, is their certain restrictions for new users? [[User: Zero93|Zero93]] 22:02, 28th June 2018 (GMT)
-:::Normally there is, you would need to be [[SW:AUTO|autoconfirmed]], but the table is actually a transcluded template, on a separate page. To edit the table, you have to edit the template, which if it was semi-protected (its not however), you would not be able to do. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 00:28, 29 June 2018 (EDT)
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