Editing Talk:Super Smash Bros.

==They're Figurines, Not Trophies==
It needs mentioning on this page that the characters are figurines that are brought to life by Master Hand, unlike in '''''Brawl''''', for example, in which the characters are trophies that are brought to life. I would add this in, but I don't know where it would go. Master Hand's page also needs changing along the same lines. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 10:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:The aforementioned edits have been made. If anyone cares strongly/at all, feel free to change the relevant pages back. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 17:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

==Character Pages==
Now, every character has his or her own SSB character page, whereas before they did not.  However, many of these pages need work.
Characters in need of a moveset: Luigi, DK, Link, Samus, Falcon, Ness, Yoshi, Kirby, and Pikachu

Characters missing a Combo/Stategy/Other Section: Luigi, Mario, DK, Link, Yoshi, and Kirby.
Other issues or problems I found with each character.

Luigi-It is alright, but it should contain some strategies that Luigi players can use.

Mario-It gives some information, but nothing that a player couldn't discover in Training Mode by himself.

DK-Moveset and Combo/Strategy Section

Link-To me it seems a bit short, more info should be added

Samus-Can be made more useful

CFalcon-To me that overview paragraph is too long and intimidating

Ness-See Samus

Yoshi-See Link

Kirby-See Yoshi

Fox-Very good article (no bias coming from me making it >_>), maybe add attack descriptions and/or combos (depending on whether public opinion wants so)
Pikachu-Moveset

Jigglypuff-IMO the best one.

Also, it would look better if all characters followed a single format.
From what it seems, most of them are as follows: An intro paragraph/overview, a pros/cons list, a moveset, then Combos/Strats.

I think that Combo/Strats should be broken up.  Then we can have an actual combo section, while strats can contain random useful info.[[User:ShoeThief|ShoeThief]] 20:55, March 3, 2007 (GMT)

== Needs work.. ==

Read title -[[user:shogun|shogun]] No It does't --[[User:Luigi Iz Pro|Luigi Iz Pro]] ([[User talk:Luigi Iz Pro|talk]]) 00:20, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

== C/Kongo Jungle==
It's spelled with a C. [[image:Congo_Jungle.jpg]]
:Oh, sorry. I haven't played SSB for a while, and since it's Kongo Jungle N64 in Melee, I thought that and all that stuff... &ndash; [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 08:43, November 26, 2006 (GMT)

==Differences from Melee==

Shouldn't this section really be in the [[Melee]] article?  SSB came first, whereas Melee built upon and changed SSB's design.  Also, we should avoid Melee-centrism (see [[User:Kirby King/Issues]]
) {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 20:05, January 31, 2007 (GMT)
:I agree with moving it to Melee, or creating it's own page for it.[[User:ShoeThief|ShoeThief]] 20:55, March 3, 2007 (GMT)
: Agree too. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 21:16, March 3, 2007 (GMT)
: Maybe.  While it makes sense, what about things that don't actually have to do with Melee?(like origins of some things) [[User:HyperFalcon|HyperFalcon]] 05:43, March 15, 2007 (GMT)
::It should be under Melee, unless Melee's article is overcrowded. If Melee's article is overcrowded, I say we keep it here. [[User:Johnknight1|Johnknight1]] 18:54, November 11, 2007 (EST)
:::Went ahead and moved it.  It made absolutely no sense for a section discussing changes made in a subsequent installment to be included in the predecessor's article.  {{User:EPX2/sig}} 19:36, November 23, 2007 (EST)

== Characters ==

Can someone make a list of characters that were supposed to appear, but didn't do to spacial issues. The only ones I know of are Peach and Bowser.--[[User:Aipom|Aipom]]--
:And Dedede, as well as possibly a few others. I think it could be neat, but we need valid sources and whatnot. [[User:Johnknight1|Johnknight1]] 18:54, November 11, 2007 (EST)

I would put it on both places.

I edited it. The only ones that are true are Dedede, Bowser, and Mewtwo (true as in "the only ones that have a source backing them up"). No evidence for Peach, Pit, or the others mentioned there.[[User:Sir Ilpalazzo|Sir Ilpalazzo]] ([[User talk:Sir Ilpalazzo|talk]]) 17:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Pit was mentioned by Sakurai but was ousted for Jiggly. Can't remember wher though.

Pit was never mentioned by Sakurai (for the first Smash). I'm absolutely 100% sure of this, and that the three mentioned above were the only ones who were supposed to be in at some point (along with Sukapon). People keep editing the article to add those others back in, but there's no proof.[[User:Sir Ilpalazzo|Sir Ilpalazzo]] ([[User talk:Sir Ilpalazzo|talk]]) 17:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry for this, but I don't know how to cite sources here. These are the links that prove (as in - direct statements from Nintendo's sites and Sakurai) that those three were planned at some points (Sukapon was considered for Melee, not Smash 64, so I was wrong there).

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html

I was wrong to have Sukapon there (perhaps a Melee trivia section is in order, there's definitely enough for that) but the others are right, and in all my searches through official materials, I've never seen proof for the others.[[User:Sir Ilpalazzo|Sir Ilpalazzo]] ([[User talk:Sir Ilpalazzo|talk]]) 17:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

According to that page (translated), the characters (in order) that were desired but didn't appear were...

#Bowser -- 169 votes
#Peach -- 66
#Wario -- 65
#King Dedede -- 46
#Ganon/Ganondorf -- 36
#James Bond -- 35
#Mewtwo -- 35
#Banjo & Kazooie -- 33
#Toad -- 27
#Mew -- 24
#Marth -- 21
#Mr. Saturn -- 18 
#Ash Ketchum -- 18
#Characters from Fire Emblem (generic) -- 18
#Gooey -- 17
#Diddy Kong -- 15
#Sukapon -- 15
#Pokemon? (generic) -- 12
#Meta Knight -- 11
#Lugia -- 11

Hmm... makes me wonder which ones should really deserve mention... And definitely NOT Meowth. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="khaki">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="khaki">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't Giygas, the votes were for "Mother 2 characters" or something like that. It didn't refer to any specific character (like the vote for Pokemon farther down the line). EDIT: It was really Mr. Saturn.

Also, it was specifically Ash / Satoshi and not the game Pokemon Trainer that was voted for. Weird but worth mentioning.

I hope it's okay, but since that list is the one that people will be seeing if they go to this page, I've edited it to be more accurate. If this is wrong, you can change it back. [[User:Sir Ilpalazzo|Sir Ilpalazzo]] ([[User talk:Sir Ilpalazzo|talk]]) 00:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

No, this was a poll for who people wanted in the NEXT Smash game. (Melee) Not for who was considered in the original Smash, because in the full list, it has characters like Sonic, Megaman, and Crash Bandicoot. This poll was made before Melee was announced as well. Meowth and Pit were on the poll too, but they weren't in the top 20. ([[User:GoldenYuiitusin|GoldenYuiitusin]] ([[User talk:GoldenYuiitusin|talk]]) 00:51, May 19, 2010 (UTC))

== Hyrule and Peachs castle and Saffron City ==

Hyrule and Peach's castle appeared redone in Melee though it dosent say, and the Saffron City model has changed to the...unlockable earthbound stage...in Melee.
:I'd be hesitant to consider any of those stages the same.  The two castle stages both force completely different game play styles and the Earthbound stage is only like Safron insofar as it is on the tops of buildings.  As for any other elements, they are completely different.   [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
LOL Giygas In SSB

==Character models==

It looks like, for the characters that had 3D models made for them prior to SSB, the character models used in game are taken directly from the relevant game.  In particular, I've noticed Fox and Link look very similar to their models in Star Fox 64 and Ocarina of Time, respectively.  If this is the case, then I'm pretty sure it's the only SSB game to do so; aren't all the models in Melee and Brawl unique to that game?  Might be worth mentioning under Trivia.
:I don't see how the models can be "copied". For example, Link's (SSB) sword does not look like the Master Sword, and his hands have no fingers. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] <choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose> 18:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::None of the characters have fingers...except for [[Pikachu (SSB)|Pikachu]]. '''[[User:Smasher2000|<span style="color:DarkRed">Smasher</span><span style="color:Black">2000</span>]]'''<sup><small>'''[[User talk:Smasher2008-09|<span style="color:darkslateblue">May the Brawl be with you...</span>]]</small></sup>''' 20:46. 22 December 2009 (UTC)

==Character articles for this game==
I wasn't sure where else to put this, but, what exactly is the typical format for a character article of SSB? Looking around their articles, it's fairly random. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 19:30, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
:I'd say try and imitate the Brawl and Melee character article layout when possible.  [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:32, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
::Also, what of the images of the character's aerial attacks? The image is quite large. I'm working on Mario, but I noticed that picture on his article and others as well. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 19:50, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

== Stages ==

I saw you guys forgot to put in "Yoshi's Alternate Stage on the list of "non-playable stages"

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 == Stages ==
-I saw you guys forgot to put in "Alternate Yoshi's Island" on the list of "non-playable stages"
+I saw you guys forgot to put in "Yoshi's Alternate Stage on the list of "non-playable stages"
 - Sandeyboy
-:To sign your posts on talk pages, please put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end instead of manually typing your username. [[User:Dr. Pain 99|<span style="color: red;">'''Dr.''' </span><span style="color: orange ">'''Pain''' </span><span style="color: yellow ">'''99''' </span>]] [[File:dp99.png]] [[User talk:Dr. Pain 99| <span style="color:blue">''Talk''</span>]] 19:20, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
-== Items ==
-Should we add items to this page or do people have to just go to the items page to see all of the SSB64 items?
--Gamefan759 <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Gamefan759|Gamefan759]] ([[User talk:Gamefan759|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gamefan759|contribs]]) 22:30, 21 March 2013 (EDT)</small>
-:It can be done, but personally I think it's unnecessary. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quiet 23:23, 21 March 2013 (EDT)
-== Video ==
-The YouTube video does not work right now. [[User:ht14|ht14]] <sub>([[User talk:ht14|talk]])</sub> 16:03, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
-== Stage Chart? ==
-Should we perhaps edit the stage list into a chart, similar to what has been done on the [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]] and [[Super Smash Bros. 4|SSB4]] pages? Ditto to Melee. <sub> (The preceding signed comment was made by [[User:GhotiH|Ghabulous Ghoti)]]</sub>  18:09, 10 January 2014 (EST)
-:There is no downside into doing so other than spending some effort. [[File:GreenMarioBrawlHead.png|15px]][[User:Green Mario|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#32CD32">
-Green</span>]] [[User talk:Green Mario|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;color:#FFA500">Mario</span>]] 18:40, 10 January 2014 (EST)
-== Misread section ==
-Sign here if you always thought that the box said "Duke It Cut" instead of "Duke it Out" because the U was covering the O.
-== Name ==
-It has been brought up elsewhere that there's a decent case to move this to [[Super Smash Bros. 64]], under [[SW:OFFICIAL|the same rationale]] that we use to explain why we call it [[Super Smash Bros. 4]]. The main reason this page has never been brought up is probably just because it's never occured to anyone, or for grandfather clause reasons, or what have you. I'm not currently officially suggesting we move the page; I'm just casting out a feeler to see what people would think of it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Dispenser 16:02, 26 April 2014 (EDT)
-:"Smash 64" is rather common, but is it ever called "Super Smash Bros. 64" as a full name? - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 16:07, 26 April 2014 (EDT)
-::I don't really see a reason in changing this article's name to "Super Smash Bros. 64". It's common to refer to the game as "64" but as an article title, it's probably best to just go with the official name when adding "64" has no real benefit. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 16:13, 26 April 2014 (EDT)
-:::Not only should this page not be moved, we should at some point soon make an effort to switch to using the "for Wii U/Nintendo 3DS" titles, considering the 3DS one will be out in a matter of only a few months. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:19, 26 April 2014 (EDT)
-::::I agree with Miles that we should start using the 3DS/Wii U titles. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' 16:29, 26 April 2014 (EDT)
-== English Clip in Japanese Game ==
-"As a relatively low-budget game with an unusual concept, there were not originally any plans to export the game outside Japan."
-Odd enough, a voice clip of the English Announcer saying 'Jigglypuff' exists in the Japanese game's data. http://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros.#Miscellaneous Should this be mentioned at all? --[[User:ComJacker|ComJay]] ([[User talk:ComJacker|talk]]) 09:11, 5 January 2015 (EST)
-:I'm not an expert or anything, but there are several things that could be going on here. 1. They could have been lying, who knows. 2. It could have been pulled from the files of a later version of the Japanese game. 3. They might have planned for a language selector to be in the game, as in Melee. 4. Some non-Japan native could have been put in charge of getting the voices, I don't know. or 5. They could have decided to port the game after overseas hype of the Japanese version BEFORE it was released. That last one seems like the most likely one to me. Buuuut, I have no way of proving any of this without further research. Anyone with some free time could probably figure this mystery out. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 19:11, 5 January 2015 (EST)
-== Yoshi and F-Zero characters trivia ==
-I do see your point, but there's no good way to phrase it to make the difference clear, and it's also already covered on {{uv|Yoshi}} and {{uv|F-Zero}} by the fact that they note they are the only universes to be in all four games with only one representative. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="magenta">cupid♥</font>]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  19:55, 13 February 2016 (EST)
-== Move to Super Smash Bros. (game)? ==
-To a newcomer to the wiki who's trying to find this page and not the entire series, it might get confusing. I thought it might be helpful if we added (game) at the end of the title so it'd be a little bit more convenient. [[User:FinalSmashMan|FinalSmashMan]] ([[User talk:FinalSmashMan|talk]]) 00:05, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
-:I second this. I'm 100% certain that the games official title is not Super Smash Bros 64. I'd rename it myself but it's a major article and I'm not sure that two people can make such a decision. [[User:KungFuLakitu|KungFuLakitu]] ([[User talk:KungFuLakitu|talk]]) 16:35, April 30, 2019 (EDT)
-::#It's ''because'' it's the first game that it doesn't get the classification. The [[Super Smash Bros. (series)|series]] and [[Super Smash Bros. (universe)|universe]] pages get the classification because they cover the generalness of the series itself and what the universe encompasses, respectively - the first game is just that: the first game. It's the same reason why [[Miiverse]] doesn't have "(stage)" at the end of the page name, because it's simply what it is - it's a type of priority, a "bonus" of being something major within the series.
-::#The page is not called "Super Smash Bros. 64", and even if it was, [[SW:OFFICIAL|SmashWiki is not official]].
-::[[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 17:24, April 30, 2019 (EDT)
-:::I completely agree with you, but "Super Smash Bros 64." is not an appropriate name for one of the biggest articles on the site, a featured article. The period after the 64 rather than Bros is especially unfitting, and "Super Smash Bros. (game)" would be a much more appropriate title on the wiki. An article that is on the site's toolbar shouldn't have such a mess of a name. [[User:KungFuLakitu|KungFuLakitu]] ([[User talk:KungFuLakitu|talk]]) 16:29, May 1, 2019 (EDT)
-::::Are you referring to adding "(game)" to the page's URL, or the title on the page? Although its not the "official" name, most people ''do'' refer to it as ''Smash '''64''''' to differ from the series itself. The original ''Paper Mario'' is also commonly referred to as ''Paper Mario '''64''''' for the same reason. Despite a lot of games released on the N64 having '''64''' at the end, not all games without the 64 are referred to as '''64'''. ''Smash'' and ''Paper Mario'' just happen to some of them referred to as such. I believe it may stem from the fact that the next installment in the series was released on a different console. If finding the page is the problem, all the installments are always listed on the navigation on the left side of the Wiki under the Wiki's logo for that very reason. If we ''were'' to add "(game)", it would make more sense, to ''me'', to add it to the '''URL''' and not the page itself. However, the series is ''already'' specified to be a separate page by having "(series)". Although it is weird how the period is after ''64'' and not ''Bros'' considering its after Bros in the title. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 18:18, May 1, 2019 (EDT)
-== SSB64 Electronics Edition ==
-Starters: Sony, Philips, Nikon, Epson, Toshiba, Samsung, Hitachi, TDK
-Unlockables: Sharp, Fujitsu, Kyocera, HP <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:GregHeffley12345|GregHeffley12345]] ([[User talk:GregHeffley12345|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GregHeffley12345|contribs]]) 9:37, August 28, 2020 (EDT) </small>
-:This is improper usage of the talk page. See [[SW:TALK]] for more details. [[User:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:#850FFA; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Señor'''</span> <span style="color:#850FFA;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px green">'''Mexicano'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:lightpurple;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px lightgreen">(talk)</span>]]'' 10:27, August 28, 2020 (EDT)
-== Mewtwo was supposed to be playable? ==
-According to bulbapedia, Mewtwo was supposed to be playable. [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html This is their source], but I can't read Japanese, so I don't know what it says. Should we add it here? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:03, December 24, 2021 (EST)
-:Unused content is already covered on [[Unused content (SSB)|this page]], so I don't think Mewtwo being planned for ''Smsah 64'' really belongs here.
-:As for the source you provided, the page is actually a poll where fans can vote for which character they want to see in a "potential sequel", and Mewtwo tied for 6th place with James Bond. For more information, I suggest you check [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin/Super Smash Bros. 64 Official Character Poll|this draft I made]]. [[File:JacketTerraSig1.png|20px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:JacketTerraSig2.png|20px]] 19:30, December 24, 2021 (EST)
-==Removal of differences section==
-This section feels redundant and unnecessary when basically the exact same information is conveyed better in the Melee article. It should just be removed.[[User:The Other Jared|The Other Jared]] ([[User talk:The Other Jared|talk]]) 16:59, January 18, 2024 (EST)
-== Move to Super Smash Bros. 64 ==
-Considering the ''Smash 4'' page is located at ''Super Smash Bros. 4'' instead of ''Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U'', I see no reason why this page shouldn't follow suit.
-This game is not the primary topic for ''Super Smash Bros.'' and hasn't been for decades at this point. Most users searching for ''Super Smash Bros.'' would be looking for the series, not ''Smash 64''. ''Super Smash Bros. 64'' is overwhelming the common name among fans. It only makes sense to be moved. [[User:RoadSmasher420|RoadSmasher420]] ([[User talk:RoadSmasher420|talk]]) 10:24, July 23, 2024 (EDT)
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