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| :::::::Then prove why Square Enix could not easily sue Disney for revoking their (Square Enix's) ability to develop the games. Face it, Square Enix has the most representation in Smash Ultimate, and I disapprove of this. [[User:Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate|Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate]] ([[User talk:Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate|talk]]) 21:15, November 22, 2021 (EST) | | :::::::Then prove why Square Enix could not easily sue Disney for revoking their (Square Enix's) ability to develop the games. Face it, Square Enix has the most representation in Smash Ultimate, and I disapprove of this. [[User:Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate|Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate]] ([[User talk:Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate|talk]]) 21:15, November 22, 2021 (EST) |
| <small>(Reset indent) </small>Here's an example using a different dev and series, ''Left 4 Dead''. ''L4D'' was developed by Turtle Rock Studios. Shortly after the success of ''L4D'' Valve (the company behind Steam) acquired Turtle Rock Studios and, in the process, the rights to ''Left 4 Dead''. Turtle Rock Studios later left Valve and returned to being on their own, but Valve still retained ownership ''Left 4 Dead''. Turtle Rock Studios was thus not allowed to do anything with ''L4D'' unless Valve said so (which they did and asked them to make ''Left 4 Dead 2''). Valve could sue Turtle Rock Studios for making another ''Left 4 Dead'' without Valve's permission, but not the other way around since Valve is the owner of it. Same deal with Disney and Square Enix: Disney owns Sora and ''Kingdom Hearts'' despite Square Enix being the creators. If Disney wanted, they could tell SE to take a hike and let Disney's employees develop the next ''KH'' game; SE could not sue over losing ''KH'' since they don't own it. For another example, ''Spongebob Squarepants'' and its characters were made by the late Stephen Hillenburg, but Nickelodeon does not (or did not) need his permission on using the characters for whatever they want. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 21:49, November 22, 2021 (EST)
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| You can disapprove of it all you like, but that doesn’t change the fact that Disney owns Sora. The evidence is clear as day. You’ve already been told by an admin (Miles) to walk away from this, I suggest you do that, lest you find yourself getting in trouble. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 22:56, November 22, 2021 (EST)
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| :I also feel the need to point out to you that you seem to only still be participating in this argument because you want to win it. If this is true, then you should know that is definitely '''NOT''' the purpose of discussing matters on the talk page. You are standing in the way of what is otherwise a '''unanimous''' consensus that says that Sora is Disney-owned. All the evidence provided here says so, and every single argument of yours has either been refuted or disproven. Either come up with something compelling that we cannot refute, or walk away from this issue altogether. A wiki talk page is NOT a battleground; please do not turn this into one. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 05:47, November 23, 2021 (EST)
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| ::If Disney really fully owned ''Kingdom Hearts'', they could freely stop the collaboration with Square Enix anytime and start working with other third-party companies (e.g. SEGA, Capcom, Bandai Namco, etc.), the ''Kingdom Hearts'' would have video game characters that are not from Square Enix, and the articles on the internet would only mention "Disney's ''Kingdom Hearts''", not "Disney and Square Enix's ''Kingdom Hearts''", but alas, none of this will ever happen. In addition, Sora is Nomura's creation, and therefore his baby, just like Kirby is to Masahiro Sakurai. And ''Kingdom Hearts'' is his creation, and therefore his treasure, which is why Disney cannot revoke Square Enix's ability to develop the games without being sued. Let's not ignore the fact that there are people like me who believe that ''Kingdom Hearts'' belongs to Square Enix, not Disney. It is high time Disney broke this myth and stopped relying on Square Enix when it comes to ''Kingdom Hearts''. Disney's reliance on Square Enix technically makes Square Enix have the most representation in Smash Ultimate, and as I said before, I disapprove of this sour fact. Seeing that Square Enix is treating Nintendo like sh**, Also, Square Enix having the most representation in Smash Ultimate is...painfully ironic... [[User:Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate|Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate]] ([[User talk:Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate|talk]]) 09:46, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::Come up with some EVIDENCE that Square Enix owns the franchise and not just opinions/hearsay on the matter and we might allow this trivia point to be inserted. Sora may have been created by Tetsuya Nomura, but to say he owns the character is like saying that Rare owns the rights to [[Diddy Kong]] because they created him. Who created/designed the character is irrelevant. Show, not tell, us some evidence of who owns the franchise, or else we have nothing to discuss. <br>While we're at it, stop with the [[SW:PREV|rapid-fire edits]] to the talk page, it needlessly makes it difficult for people to respond to you. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] the 🦊[[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry''']]🐺. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 10:01, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::How the hell are you still onto this? This isn't even a legitimate argument, just a bunch of rambling from someone who clearly does not know what they are talking about. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 10:07, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::Even if Disney does own ''Kingdom Hearts'', the fact that the games ''Kingdom Hearts'' are all developed by Square Enix (and no other third-party character) still bothers me... [[User:Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate|Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate]] ([[User talk:Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate|talk]]) 10:11, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::There's literally nothing you can do. Unfortunately, the facts cannot be changed by how you feel. I strongly recommend you drop this, because this is just looking more and more bad for you. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 10:13, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::There is literally something I can do. All I have to do is go over to the Nintendo headquarters, complain to the staff that "there are too many Square Enix characters in Smash Ultimate", and convince them to add more non-Square Enix third-party characters in ''Ultimate''. That is, after the COVID-19 pandemic is over... [[User:Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate|Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate]] ([[User talk:Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate|talk]]) 10:16, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::::You're just derailing from the conversation at this point. Either you're just trolling or you're just a kid who does not know how anything works. You think Nintendo would listen to some random person because they are butthurt that a company has too much representation in a child's party game? Also, good luck trying to convince Nintendo's staff - who mostly don't even have control over who is added into the game - when you can't even convince a few wiki editors that your arguments are valid. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 10:24, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| No-one would blame you for walking away from this conversation right now. De-railing it is not helping your case - assuming you're even still trying to make a case. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 10:18, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
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| This argument has run its course and at this point S64MB4U you are being plainly disruptive, I have no idea why you came back to this four months later just to ramble nonsensically. But in any case this is your formal warning to stop. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:01, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
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