Editing Talk:Sora (SSBU)

==About the trivia section regarding meteor smashes==
"Sora and Mythra are the only DLC characters in Ultimate who lack a meteor smash. If counting Pyra's moveset, Sora is the only DLC character, as well as Ultimate newcomer in general, to completely lack a meteor smash in any capacity."
What parameter was used to determine this? Does this refer to a total lack of downward-sending hitboxes, even the ones that connect to a final hit that does NOT spike (e.g. Bowser Jr.'s dair)? If not, then there are a bunch of characters that could be added. If, instead, that's the criteria, then we're missing Young Link (and potentially others maybe, but he's the one that popped in my mind)


==dash attack==
hi sora's dah attack is a slide kick like cloud [[User:Dcx|Dcx]] ([[User talk:Dcx|talk]]) 12:49, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
:Cloud's Dash Attack isn't a kick at all. You might want to find someone else to compare it to. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 12:52, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
::i believe mega man is a better comparison for that. [[User:Kareemddream|Kareemddream ]] ([[User talk:Kareemddream|talk]]) 15:25, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
:::Mega Man doesn't kick either... [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 20:27, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
::whoop thats his down tilt not his dash attack <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Kareemddream|Kareemddream]] ([[User talk:Kareemddream|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kareemddream|contribs]]) 22:26, October 5, 2021 (EDT)</small>

==voice==
is it too early to be putting in information for sora's voice? it does sound quite similar to the older clips but how do we know for sure if its' recycled audio. [[User:Kareemddream|Kareemddream ]] ([[User talk:Kareemddream|talk]]) 12:25, October 5, 2021 

:As someone who grew up with this franchise i think its safe to say they're likely using his Re:Chain of Memories voice clips. Not as young sounding as he was in KH1, but still younger sounding than he was in KH2. Remember he was an adult trying to do a kids voice in KH3D, and after that hes been using a deeper register for Sora as a teen since. It's clearly reused voice clips, but we just don't know from which game. <Br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 20:24, October 5, 2021 (EDT)

== Sora GIFs ==

When I record the GIFs for Sora's specials, Final Smash, taunts, etc. should I do it on default Hollow Bastion or the Dive to the Heart version? I'd argue the latter because there'd be less going on so it is easier to see, and would also reduce file size. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 22:46, October 18, 2021 (EDT)
:Additionally, how should his up taunt be handled? A single GIF with all three variations or 3 separate GIFs? --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 08:12, October 19, 2021 (EDT)
::I say Hollow Bastion and not Dive to the Heart, and one gif for all three. Three gifs might be messy. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Spooky Rurouni'''</span>]] 12:04, October 19, 2021 (EDT)

== Classic Mode Rounds 5 and 7 ==

While I think that it's cool that giant Ganondorf represents Xehanort, what I really think is going on here is that he is standing in for either Darkside or Chernabog, with Find Mii standing in for either Destiny Island's Storm-tossed Island area or an area in the End of the World, likely Homecoming/Crumbling Island or Bald Mountain. The only thing stopping me from saying that it's Chernabog is the fact that is that if it were the case, then they would have used Kazuya to represent the "Ultimate Disney Villain" (to quote Ridley Pearson) due to his Devil form, as well as the use of a more symphonic track to reference the original Mussorgsky composition. Darkside has a bit more going towards it due to Ganondorf favoring more hand-to-hand attacks in the fight, much like Darkside in the game, coupled with the track playing.

Now while saying that the fight with the Hands is a stand in for Ansem is correct, to me that's only one half of the equation as it also seems like Crazy Hand is Ansem while Master Hand is Xemnas. This is due to the fact that Ansem's final form in the original is the World of Chaos, which can easily be reflected in the chaotic behavior in Crazy Hand, much like the Heartless being the hearts of people swallowed by darkness and acting on instinct. Master Hand's more calm movements seem to bring to mind Xemnas as Nobodies act in a more orderly fashion, as they being the bodies of those that became Heartless have access to the brain and are able to act upon intellect. Xemnas himself is also a more calm individual than Ansem due to him having access to Terra's mind, compared to Ansem being Xehanort's heart pulling the strings. --[[User:Tailikku|Tailikku]] ([[User talk:Tailikku|talk]]) 08:33, October 19, 2021 (EDT)
:To me, I feel like Ganondorf representing Xehanort is mostly because they're both evil old(-ish) men associated with darkness and nothing more. Even if it were supposed to represent Chernabog, they likely would not have chosen Kazuya regardless since DLC characters can only appear in their own Classic Mode routes and no one else's. [[File:JacketTerraSig1.png|20px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:JacketTerraSig2.png|20px]] 11:51, October 19, 2021 (EDT)
::I can see a Darkside comparison, given the larger size of Ganondorf, the music, and the stage. If Ganondorf were more normal-sized, then I'd find Xehanort a bit more plausible. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Spooky Rurouni'''</span>]] 12:03, October 19, 2021 (EDT)

== Sora’s inclusion interview ==

I think we got the whole information now though him https://twitter.com/pushdustin/status/1450855082203901954?s=21 so can the trivia I added be readd in or just wait for another link with full interview? --[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 12:34, October 20, 2021 (EDT)
:Ah, my bad. I thought we were still going off of the partial info I saw circulating last night. This should be fine to re-add, then, though I would say it should stay on this page as a brief note in the trivia (similar to the one we have on [[Steve (SSBU)#Trivia]]). [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:47, October 20, 2021 (EDT)
Thank you will readd my previous edit now.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 13:41, October 20, 2021 (EDT)

== Damage numbers ==

Why are Sora's moves' damage percents so WEIRD? like, not multiples of 0.5. Same applies to all those other characters, I'm looking at you Dr. Mario <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Aacro X|Aacro X]] ([[User talk:Aacro X|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aacro X|contribs]]) 13:23, November 18, 2021 (EST)</small>

== Most Historicllay Significant Players ==
Sora has been out for more than a month now why has no one done this section yet I can think of so many players that could be in this section <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:ColourGhost|ColourGhost]] ([[User talk:ColourGhost|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ColourGhost|contribs]]) 16:04, November 28, 2021 (EST)</small>
:We wait 6 months before adding players. We want to see who sticks with the character and how the meta develops so we have a more accurate representation of the most historically significant players. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 16:12, November 28, 2021 (EST)
::Then How come Kazuya got his players added like 3 months after he came out? Not really fair also really? Half A Year? Seems a little unfair if you ask me [[User:ColourGhost|ColourGhost]] ([[User talk:ColourGhost|talk]]) 16:22, November 28, 2021 (EST)
:::Oops my bad he only has competitive play but still unfair add competitive play for Sora. [[User:ColourGhost|ColourGhost]] ([[User talk:ColourGhost|talk]]) 16:26, November 28, 2021 (EST)
:Sora has been out for over a month so a “in competitive play” section should be fine, but not “most historically significant.” Albeit, there isn’t much to add right now as early metagame results and opinions get outdated real quickly. Also, it’s not “unfair,” it’s how the wiki works. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 16:51, November 28, 2021 (EST)
::Cookies And Crème I understand how the wiki works don’t give me another lecture and if you put a word I say in air quotes one more time I’m gonna lose it also Unfair is an actual word so don’t put in air quotes unlike the sections because it makes me think your not taking things seriously lol [[User:ColourGhost|ColourGhost]] ([[User talk:ColourGhost|talk]]) 17:46, November 28, 2021 (EST)
:::I think you may be taking this ''too'' seriously. Cookies and Creme put "unfair" in quotes because they were quoting you, not to make it patronizing or to make it seem fake. As C&C said, the meta is still being developed (may not help with ''Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl'' distracting some players) and if someone were to make an "in competitive play" section, it'd probably need to be rewritten in a month. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 18:10, November 28, 2021 (EST)
Oh my gosh I really didn’t want to have to write on this section again but I’m not the one who’s taking this too seriously also? Another comment really? I just want this section to close because there are too many comments on this also you really didn’t have to interject y’know? It’s just annoying because now I have to write another reply also just lie, Cookies And Crème your comments were not needed your prolonging the conversation so just please stop and thanks. Also stop bringing SSB wiki into this if you want to bring this further bring it to my talk page or Cookies one because I already made a statement there goodbye and please no more comments on this section. [[User:ColourGhost|ColourGhost]] ([[User talk:ColourGhost|talk]]) 18:38, November 28, 2021 (EST)
:"''It’s just annoying because now I have to write another reply''"

:Except you don't have to? If you don't want to continue being in a discussion, then don't reply, it's that simple, nothing requires you to keep responding here. You cannot tell other users that they cannot post here, and no one's replies here were out of line. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:56, November 28, 2021 (EST)

Yeah obviously I know that but considering I created this section I feel like I kinda have to reply even tho I don’t and I wasn’t telling other users to not make comments I mean that I would prefer if they didn’t or wish they didn’t but obviously I’m not trying to force that I’m making no further comments keep this section as long as you want. [[User:ColourGhost|ColourGhost]] ([[User talk:ColourGhost|talk]]) 19:13, November 28, 2021 (EST)

Around 7 months has passed since this conversation and 8 months since Sora's release. I feel as if it is perhaps time to add a singular representative due to his consistency being {{Sm|kameme}}.He has reached top 8 at several majors with mostly or comaining Sora since his release including 5th at Kagaribi 6, Maesuma TOP7, and Maesuma TOP8. His regional results are alright but lack data due to attendance, but his majors give him the argument to be placed already. He is already considered the best Sora in the world by most [[User:Swidd|Swidd]] ([[User talk:Swidd|talk]]) 12:22, June 25, 2022 (EDT)
:My gut feeling still says to wait, but I wouldn't really mind. He does seem like the only one who's been performing well with Sora consistently, at least in Japan. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 12:52, June 25, 2022 (EDT)
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