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| Who created the term, "sex kick?" I'm just curious. Anyways, that's the kind of info that would also be useful on this page. [[User:AnujSuper9|AnujSuper9]] 06:45, March 1, 2007 (GMT) | | Who created the term, "sex kick?" I'm just curious. Anyways, that's the kind of info that would also be useful on this page. [[User:AnujSuper9|AnujSuper9]] 06:45, March 1, 2007 (GMT) |
| : [[Matt Deezie]], I think. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 15:16, March 1, 2007 (GMT) | | : [[Matt Deezie]], I think. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 15:16, March 1, 2007 (GMT) |
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| :::Where in he world do you get ''half'' the population from? And how is sex offensive? We are not a bunch of puritans here. Just statistically speaking, more than half the people who visit this site have probably had sex based on their age (granted, it's a site about video games, so who knows...:-P), and most of the rest have at least thought about it to the point that it's not offensive to think about people having sex. If you don't like it, go to church, not SmashWiki. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:31, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | | :::Where in he world do you get ''half'' the population from? And how is sex offensive? We are not a bunch of puritans here. Just statistically speaking, more than half the people who visit this site have probably had sex based on their age (granted, it's a site about video games, so who knows...:-P), and most of the rest have at least thought about it to the point that it's not offensive to think about people having sex. If you don't like it, go to church, not SmashWiki. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:31, April 25, 2010 (UTC) |
| :: It's got SEX in the name, so, yeah, it's referencing it (though, how???). -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 22:40, April 24, 2010 (UTC) | | :: It's got SEX in the name, so, yeah, it's referencing it (though, how???). -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 22:40, April 24, 2010 (UTC) |
| :Maybe it has to do with the number 6, 'cause "sex" is a prefix for six. e.g. sextillion - [[User:SmashPichu2]][[User:SmashPichu2|SmashPichu2]] ([[User talk:SmashPichu2|talk]]) 19:13, 9 May 2011 (EDT)
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| ::It's unnecessary to comment on a discussion that's a year old. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 19:55, 9 May 2011 (EDT)
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| ==Deletion== | | ==Deletion== |
| Now that I think about it, this page should be deleted. Here's my reasons: | | Now that I think about it, this page should be deleted. Here's my reasons: |
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| :::Are you serious? Really, are you serious? You've "never heard the term of [''sic''] SmasherBoards." SmashBoards is a website. Basically, it's the biggest forum on Smash Bros, where they have the SBR and other things. If you don't know what that is, you need to learn before you edit again. This ''is'' the term for the attack. People involved in the smash community know this. We didn't make it up. It is not our job to dumb down the website to you, it's your job to know/learn enough to understand and edit it. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:25, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | | :::Are you serious? Really, are you serious? You've "never heard the term of [''sic''] SmasherBoards." SmashBoards is a website. Basically, it's the biggest forum on Smash Bros, where they have the SBR and other things. If you don't know what that is, you need to learn before you edit again. This ''is'' the term for the attack. People involved in the smash community know this. We didn't make it up. It is not our job to dumb down the website to you, it's your job to know/learn enough to understand and edit it. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:25, April 25, 2010 (UTC) |
| ::::Oops, that was a typo. I meant I never heard it '''on''' smashboards. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 01:55, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | | ::::Oops, that was a typo. I meant I never heard it '''on''' smashboards. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 01:55, April 25, 2010 (UTC) |
| :::::Go ask. Or, if you don't want to be flamed for being a n00b, take my word for it. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 05:48, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::::You realize that I am 98.177.158.220? My IP changed a month ago. See my talk page. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 16:54, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::::Yes. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 17:25, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| I don't think it should be deleted because I only thought that Captain Falcon could do it.----[[User:Supersonicman|<span style="color:gold;">Super</span>]][[User talk:Supersonicman|<span style="color:blue;">sonic</span>]][[Special:Contributions|<span style="color:pink;">man</span>]] | | I don't think it should be deleted because I only thought that Captain Falcon could do it.----[[User:Supersonicman|<span style="color:gold;">Super</span>]][[User talk:Supersonicman|<span style="color:blue;">sonic</span>]][[Special:Contributions|<span style="color:pink;">man</span>]] |
| :Great post. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:25, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | | :Great post. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 00:25, April 25, 2010 (UTC) |
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| -Absolutely no way this page will be deleted. -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 22:40, April 24, 2010 (UTC) | | -Absolutely no way this page will be deleted. -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 22:40, April 24, 2010 (UTC) |
| :↑ <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 00:09, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | | :↑ <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 00:09, April 25, 2010 (UTC) |
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| I agree on the deletion of this article. The reasons listed on the top are correct IMO, it's not a technique it's just a category of attacks. Headbutt and punch is also a category of attacks. Sex kick is hardly even used as a term anymore, the usually just use the attack name (Nair,Bair,etc.). If it does get used then it should be posted in the section of the guide where they tell what means what.--[[User:Moneypony|Moneypony]] ([[User talk:Moneypony|talk]]) 23:23, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
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| :This page '''will not be deleted'''. Period. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 02:25, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::You're the Boss, C-Hawk. Let's archive this discussion now. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 02:47, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Thank you. That said, I will detail the reasons for this. First, unlike headbut etc. the term Sex Kick is not self-referential. You don't "get" what a Sex Kick is like you do a headbut or drop-kick. Second, the properties of the attack are not immediately obvious by the animation. It is not intuitive that the hit box remains on an extended foot, so documenting that is by definition a priority of this wiki. Third, a wide enough range of moves that have these properties exist to merit discussion of the group of attacks. Therefore, we need some way to categorize them, and Sex Kick is already a term used for them. Fourth, even if the term has fallen out of vogue in current usage, that does not mean that the term is not and has not been used enough to merit mention on this wiki. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 15:59, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| :My recent edits to most of the character article's moveset descriptions and combo terminology usually link here. This article's purpose is pretty important regardless of whatever reasons, so no opposes here. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 02:53, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| Okay, so, no one seems to want to deal with this properly, so I'll make this quite clear: Unless it can be explained, the term '''sex kick''''s lack of meaning ''will'' be pointed out in the article. -End of story. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 20:44, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Uh, it's fine the way it is, it's slang. Also, an admin needs to seriously protect Sex Kick and this talk page- didn't we have enough debate already?! ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 20:50, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::#Terms do not have to have meaning, implicit or explicit. Take [[tech]] as an example, the average non-smasher will think it's just a short form for "technique".
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| ::#I believe the term does have an explicit meaning. But since it's "explicit" in another way as well, it's hardly appropriate to menion it in the article.
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| ::[[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 21:11, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::I haven't put the explanation in not only because of what Toomai said, but also because it's bloody obvious. And yes, as Toomai, the explanation would have to go into more detail than I would be comfortable with providing on this wiki. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 22:19, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| # Tech does have a meaning.
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| # Things need to be explained as well as they can be, or else recognized as having no explicit reasoning.
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| -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 01:42, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| We know why it's called "Sex Kick". It's just too embarrasing to explain it. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 02:09, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| Hooray, I think we have a solution -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 18:13, April 28, 2010 (UTC) (penis)
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| :No, it's lesbian sex. There, I said it. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 23:24, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| == I can't take it anymore ==
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| I am really sorry to revive this old argument, but after reading the talk page, I just can't understand what makes the "sex kick" so important compared to other moves? It'd be like making an article for Rapid-Hit Neutral Combos. Plus the name is a bit... y'know. [[Special:Contributions/76.117.12.143|76.117.12.143]] 18:50, 23 June 2011 (EDT)
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| :If you read the argument, you would see this is a notable term within the Smash community. And the fact remains it's a notable hitbox property that many attacks share. Also, we have an article for [[neutral attack|neutral combos]]. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:24, 23 June 2011 (EDT)
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| ::Well, what about other moves with special properties? I can't think of any at the moment, aside from Ness and Lucas's side-smash, but I read on another talk page (I think it was [[Knee Smash]]) that it doesn't get a page because it doesn't have an official name. But then again, neither does this, so... what's the standard for this? [[Special:Contributions/76.117.12.143|76.117.12.143]] 17:01, 28 June 2011 (EDT)
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| :::Moves with official names get articles, like [[Knee Smash]] and [[Lightning Kick]], as do things with highly-common names in the community, such as sex kick, [[Ken combo]], [[wavedash]], etc. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:18, 28 June 2011 (EDT)
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| ::::So because Ness's bat hasn't been given a name, we can't give it one? Plenty of wikis create terms for things that end up becoming the official term, and the fact that it reflects projectiles seems pretty notable. And before you say it would end up a stub, we already have hundreds of stubs on this wiki that I don't see being deleted, so why not create something like [Ness's Bat] or something? [[Special:Contributions/76.117.12.143|76.117.12.143]] 22:18, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
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| :::::The fact that it reflects projectiles is already covered by [[Ness (SSBM)]], [[Ness (SSBB)]], and [[reflector]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:21, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
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| ::::::Info is already in the articles. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|Win]] [[File:PikachuHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 22:34, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
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| :::::The simple fact is, Ness' bat does not have notability within the Smash community. You don't see it getting memetic mutations, being the subject of combo videos, or having large discussions about it. And when it comes to stubs, they don't get deleted as they have room for expansion. However, if an article subject cannot get larger than a few sentences while still remaining relevant, and its relevant information is already covered on other appropriate pages, an article for that subject is pointless (such articles that got removed for this reason were Kojima Productions, and Bucket Braking). On the Wiki, we do not want duplicate information being thrown around, especially into a bunch of single paragraph long articles. It just confuses the reader, while giving them nothing. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:57, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
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| :::::Also, for you trying to use sex kick's existence as an article to justify an article for Ness' bat, keep in mind sex kick is a ''hitbox property'', shared by a large amount of attacks, while Ness' bat is a single attack with a special hitbox property. And you know what? We have an article for that [[reflector|htibox property]] that Ness' bat has. So as you can see, an article for the sex kick property is irrelevant to Ness' bat getting an article. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:04, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
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| I'm not sure I fully understand what counts as a sex kick. If the move doesn't require an actual kicking animation, why is Kirby's Melee/Brawl/4 nair not considered such? What about Villager's nair? Pac-Man's? These moves have long duration one-hit gradually weakening hitboxes that start off strong, as well as having very little startup or landing lag, and similar hitbox placement throughout. Does the spinning animation make it no longer count? [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 19:55, 8 January 2015 (EST)
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| Is there any more detail on this, like when he first used the term, what the context was when he first mentioned it, etc? [[User:Tyciol|Tyciol]] ([[User talk:Tyciol|talk]]) 16:07, January 4, 2022 (EST)
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| == Proposal to Redefine what is Considered a "Sex Kick" + Page Clean-Up ==
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| As of right now, I believe that we need to redefine what attacks are and aren't considered a "sex kick". The page is currently muddied with a very vague definition and example of what they are and this ends up leading to certain moves being added to the list which clearly do not belong on the page in the first place. For example, Corrin's neutral aerial is currently on the list despite barely fitting any of the criteria; it is not a predominantly horizontal attack, it barely has long hitbox duration (being 6-19, low compared to most conventional sex kicks) and its animation is not as static throughout. Another odd example is that Simon and Richter's down tilt would otherwise fit the criteria of being a "sex kick" if Mega Man's down tilt is, but they aren't.
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| Another problem that I've spotted is that despite being in the name, many of these attacks are not "sex kicks", as some attacks utilize punches or even sword attacks that linger. This is obviously stretching the definition of what a "sex kick" actually is to such a degree that it can be confusing to a lot of readers as to what is and isn't actually one.
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| This is why I come to propose the idea of recontextualizing what is and isn't considered a "sex kick" in every game in order to prevent this page from giving people confusion. My proposal is as such:
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| *A kick that thrusts one or both legs outwards in front of or above the character
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| *A hit that has a lingering hitbox that changes over the course of the attack; often, but not always dealing less damage as it lingers
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| *A hit that has similar animation and hitbox placement throughout the entire attack; does not contain parts where the character moves otherwise
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| The properties of a "sex kick-like" attack include:
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| *An attack that thrusts an arm or object outwards in front or above the character
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| *A hit that has a lingering hitbox that changes over the course of the attack; often, but not always dealing less damage as it lingers
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| *A hit that has similar animation and hitbox placement throughout the entire attack; does not contain parts where the character moves otherwise
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| Additionally, I'm proposing the idea of adding the following changes to the page in order to make it significantly less confusing:
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| *The addition of two categories; "true" Sex Kick and "pseudo" Sex Kick.
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| **The "true" Sex Kick category only includes kick-based attacks and will define if a kick is grounded or aerial.
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| **The "pseudo" Sex Kick category only includes attacks similar to sex kicks and will define if an attack is grounded or aerial.
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| Currently, the page really stretches the definition of what is and isn't considered a "sex kick", and should really be looked into so people don't get confused as to why a neutral aerial where a character spins their arms is considered a sex kick whereas a down aerial where a character thrusts their leg downwards (Melee Sheik) isn't. [[User:Requiem of Ice|Requiem of Ice]] ([[User talk:Requiem of Ice|talk]]) 13:51, February 24, 2024 (EST)
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| Stomping Dairs like Captain Falcon, Ness, Ganon or Charizard as they have a leg as a hitbox and has a late hitbox. Toon Link’s dair is considered a Sex Kick but why not make these considered as Sex Kicks? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:112.210.230.254|112.210.230.254]] ([[User talk:112.210.230.254|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/112.210.230.254|contribs]]) 08:02, April 12, 2024 (EDT)</small>
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| :Most of those fail the criteria of "Fast startup and low ending/landing lag", "A long hitbox duration", and "Similar animation ... throughout the entire attack". Toon Link's is a better fit since the "sex kick" portion of maintained for 30+ frames, though it doesn't really clear "Fast startup and low ending/landing lag". --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 08:18, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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| [[Stall-then-fall]]s technically qualify as a "sex kick". They start with a stronger hitbox, then have a weaker hitbox that lasts much longer. I think it's reasonable to add these on the page, especially considering Link and Young Link's down aerials.
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| :Most stall-then-falls fail the 4th and 5th criteria. "Fast startup and low ending/landing lag": a key part of a stall-then-fall is the stalling, where they have a distinct and prolonged animation before the fall and as such no fast startup; most also have a long landing animation, thus no "low landing lag". "Similar animation and hitbox placement throughout the entire attack": again, distinct and prolonged animation before the fall. Can also toss in "Predominantly horizontal knockback" as many have a meteor hitbox that eventually becomes a non-meteor, and a meteor is notably not horizontal.
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| :I'll remove Ganondorf as his fails the 1st and 5th criteria. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 16:05, June 15, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::Well, wouldn't Cloud's down aerial, and Link dair and uair fail the "horizontal knockback" criteria? They do have meteor smashes, or in the case of Link's up aerial (as well as many other up aerials), sending directly upward. Also falco incineroar, villager, etc. Also Toon Link dair, being a stall-then-fall is still considered (although it does have pretty fast startup). Also, Mega Man dtilt is considered as well. Though it does follow the criteria, what about other psuedo-crawls, such as Cloud dtilt and Sephiroth dtilt as well? Finally we should also add Inkling nair. [[User:EpicMagicBoi6|<span style="color: orange;">'''EpicMagicBoi6'''</span>]] [[User talk:EpicMagicBoi6|<span style="color: green;">'''talk'''</span>]][[File:Orange567's signature icon.png|19px]] 14:51, June 29, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::Just because something is on the list, doesn't mean it and similar things belong. Case-in-point, Mega Man DTilt and Pac-Man Smashes fail the first 7 words of the entire article and shouldn't have been humored at all; not adding the ones you mentioned that are similar. Not adding Inkling NAir because it is only 4 frames. Removed just about all of the others and you can read my edit summary for the reasons. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 15:34, June 29, 2024 (EDT)
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