Editing Talk:Sans

SANS {{unsigned|TomoDerp|19:09, September 4, 2019 (EDT)}}
:1. [[SW:TALK|This is not proper use of a talk page]]. 2. Sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 23:22, September 4, 2019 (EDT)

== The most unexpected reveal yet... ==

I do not even know how DLC pack 5 will compete with this. [[User:Enigma|Enigma]] ([[User talk:Enigma|talk]]) 19:40, September 4, 2019 (EDT)

::Welp there goes my April fools prank...<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 00:53, September 5, 2019 (EDT)

inb4 steve mines his way to the battlefield and we get a ton of content [[User:Smashsans|Smashsans]] ([[User talk:Smashsans|talk]]) 10:53, September 5, 2019 (EDT)

== Console of origin ==

I'm not sure what determines a "console of origin", but for completeness, here's a list of all platforms Undertale has been released to:
* Microsoft Windows
* Apple Mac OS X (read: not Macintosh)
* GNU/Linux (support added in later update)
* Sony PS4 (first console port)
* Nintendo Switch (second console port)

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the Vita, too. Whoops, I suppose everyone forgets the Vita after all.

[[User:AntyMew|AntyMew]] ([[User talk:AntyMew|talk]]) 23:09, September 4, 2019 (EDT)
:We use the first console releases for the game. For example, ''Undertale'' was released on Windows and OS X first before being ported to other consoles. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 23:12, September 4, 2019 (EDT)

== 3D ==

Can someone add that this is Sans’s First 3D appearance? [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 00:22, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
:This is just a costume so it probably doesn't count.<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 00:59, September 5, 2019 (EDT)

I can add it if you want. I have a direct image from the trailer [[User:SamuelTheAdept|SamuelTheAdept]] ([[User talk:SamuelTheAdept|talk]]) 03:56, September 5, 2019 (EDT)

if i could edit it i would add it smh [[User:Smashsans|Smashsans]] ([[User talk:Smashsans|talk]]) 10:47, September 5, 2019 (EDT)

== so many things I wish I could add ==

3D model png, trivia, and maybe even MEGALOVANIA if I could figure out how [[User:Smashsans|Smashsans]] ([[User talk:Smashsans|talk]]) 10:50, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
:I'm assuming you're a new user. The reason is because this page is protected so only autoconfirmed users may edit it. The reason for the protection is because of vandalizers filling the page with Sans memes and trollish references to that Sans is Ness "theory".<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 21:57, September 5, 2019 (EDT)

when would i be able to edit it? [[User:Smashsans|Smashsans]] ([[User talk:Smashsans|talk]]) 22:51, September 5, 2019 (EDT)

:You will become autoconfirmed after you have been a user for 7 days and have made at least 10 edits. You can read more about it [[SW:AUTO|here]].<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 22:36, September 6, 2019 (EDT)

== Fire (aka Flowey fucking dies) ==

In the reveal trailer, Sans uses Flame Pillar on the yellow Piranha Plant, which we already agreed is a reference to Flowey. The attack might be a reference to when Toriel launched Flowey away with a fireball, although I might just be reaching. Since it's a bit of a stretch, I'm going to put this here until I know if the community agrees or not. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:27, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
::Something else I noticed is how when Sans is fighting two villagers, referencing Frisk and Chara, it may be possible that this is also a reference to the pacifist route in Undertale, because Villagers, in their main series, don't fight, and to execute the pacifist route, the player must not fight any enemies. Also this is my first time contributing to a talk page, hopefully i'm using it right XD [[User:FizzyChalice|FizzyChalice]] ([[User talk:FizzyChalice|talk]]) 06:13, September 6, 2019 (EDT)
:::Don't worry your using talk pages correctly. And also that is an interesting point you have.<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 07:30, September 6, 2019 (EDT)

== The Slippers ==

Interesting thing to note: Sans has never officially worn pink slippers. He wears slippers, yes, but in the game's colored overworld sprites, they are colored white. His slippers being Pink was something that fans started to decide and several pieces of fanmade merchandise followed. This marks one of the first times an Official version of Sans has pink slippers. That'd make good trivia if anyone could edit that in.
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== Ness  ==

Sans in Magicant is also a reference to the Ness is Sans meme. [[Special:Contributions/174.201.23.233|174.201.23.233]] 21:31, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
:nah. get outta here. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 21:32, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
:::HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah no <span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 21:53, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
:It most certainly is not. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 23:38, September 5, 2019 (EDT)

nah. only cuz undertale was inspired by earthbound [[User:Smashsans|Smashsans]] ([[User talk:Smashsans|talk]]) 22:52, September 5, 2019 (EDT)

Actually they have a fair point. We know for a fact that Toby Fox is well aware of the meme and considering he has played with Sakurai, it's entirely possible Sakurai was also made aware of the joke. [[User:Toffolus|Toffolus]] ([[User talk:Toffolus|talk]]) 00:42, September 6, 2019 (EDT)
:Yeah it's not entirely out of the question. At the very least Undertale was inspired by Earthbound and Megalovania first appeared in an Earthbound hack. --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 19:27, September 6, 2019 (EDT)

==Sans figure==
Is the image really necessary? No other Mii costume has something like that, and it is also kind of a stretch (he has the same outfit in the game). [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 21:58, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
:I agree<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 07:27, September 6, 2019 (EDT)

== Species ==

In response to [[Special:Diff/1293817|this reversion]]:
*Sans isn't the only one to state what his or others' appearance is based on. Not counting his own brother, who also refers to himself as a skeleton, we have Flowey introducing himself as a flower; Undyne being called a fish by the narrator and other characters; Napstablook, Mad Dummy and Mettaton calling themselves ghosts; Muffet calling herself and her assistants spiders; and the list goes on. In other words, what they call themselves does not dilute the fact that they are all monsters.
**Additionally, there are no other subclassifications for monsters other than Boss Monsters, which are given to Toriel and Asgore (as in the first point, they're given this title despite being likened to goats alongside Asriel). Thus, saying Sans is a "skeleton monster" is inaccurate.
*As explained in the game's introduction, both humans and monsters lived on Earth. The idea of a monster having knowledge of the Sun is far from outlandish (especially for Boss Monsters, who lived for far longer). Undyne even mentions the word "sunlight" before Sans speaks in the very same cutscene, confirming this point.
*Finally, {{h2|SW:NOT|SmashWiki is not speculative}}. Relying on theories and other unofficial information to assert a point is discouraged and should thusly be avoided (the page has a message warning editors for this reason, specifically of a theory which also uses Sans' knowledge of the Sun as an argument). [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|{{color|#89d|Nokii}}]]''' —  18:43, September 15, 2019 (EDT)
::I don't see a problem calling Sans a skeleton; we don't call Pikachu or Jigglypuff's species "Pokémon," so why should we call Sans's species "monster"? Yes, there are no subclasses in Undertale, but Sans and pretty much the whole internet calls his species a "skeleton" - you don't see anyone say "Sans the monster." [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 19:07, September 15, 2019 (EDT)
:::I also think that within the context of ''Undertale'', "monster" is less of an actual race or species, and more of a generalization for "anything that isn't human"; it's mainly defined by similarities in their biology, such as having weaker SOULs than humans. That's similar to saying that Isabelle is both a ''dog'' and a ''mammal'', but we go with just ''dog''. With that in mind, I believe it's more appropriate to call him a "skeleton" (since this is what he refers to himself as) rather than a "monster" (which is the greater race he belongs to). I came up with "skeleton monster" as a compromise, but it's kind of clunky. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 19:33, September 15, 2019 (EDT)
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+SANS {{unsigned|TomoDerp|19:09, September 4, 2019 (EDT)}}
 :1. [[SW:TALK|This is not proper use of a talk page]]. 2. Sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 23:22, September 4, 2019 (EDT)
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 inb4 steve mines his way to the battlefield and we get a ton of content [[User:Smashsans|Smashsans]] ([[User talk:Smashsans|talk]]) 10:53, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
-::lol, what can i say but this aged well [[User:RSM|<span style="color: #714EFF">'''RSM'''</span>]] [[File:RSMSignatureHead1.png|20px|Banjo_%26_Kazooie_(SSBU)]][[File:RSMSignatureHead2.png|20px|Steve_(SSBU)]] ([[User talk:RSM|talk]]) 08:20, April 7, 2021 (EDT)
 == Console of origin ==
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 ::I don't see a problem calling Sans a skeleton; we don't call Pikachu or Jigglypuff's species "Pokémon," so why should we call Sans's species "monster"? Yes, there are no subclasses in Undertale, but Sans and pretty much the whole internet calls his species a "skeleton" - you don't see anyone say "Sans the monster." [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 19:07, September 15, 2019 (EDT)
 :::I also think that within the context of ''Undertale'', "monster" is less of an actual race or species, and more of a generalization for "anything that isn't human"; it's mainly defined by similarities in their biology, such as having weaker SOULs than humans. That's similar to saying that Isabelle is both a ''dog'' and a ''mammal'', but we go with just ''dog''. With that in mind, I believe it's more appropriate to call him a "skeleton" (since this is what he refers to himself as) rather than a "monster" (which is the greater race he belongs to). I came up with "skeleton monster" as a compromise, but it's kind of clunky. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 19:33, September 15, 2019 (EDT)
-==Trivia==
-If we were to shorten the trivia selection as the cleanup suggests, it would probably make the most sense to remove all the easter eggs in his reveal trailer. After all, [[Team Rocket]] for example doesn't discuss the trailer at all in its trivia, so what makes Sans special? [[User:Crazy456Rhino|An Adventurer draws near!]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 14:12, October 4, 2019 (EDT)
-== Toby fox ==
-Is he Aware of this wiki's existence cause I read the change note, Impling he is aware. [[User:AgedofallStrings|AgedofallStrings]] ([[User talk:AgedofallStrings|talk]]) 14:57, March 14, 2021 (EDT)
-:I was explaining this on the Discord but this has nothing to do with implying Toby Fox is personally reading SmashWiki; rather, he simply seems to have [https://web.archive.org/web/20160629100837/https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/697187914774618113 more or less] [http://radiation.fobby.net/halloween/ disowned] the Halloween Hack and it seems unnecessary to bring up. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:20, March 14, 2021 (EDT)
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