Editing Talk:Sacrificial KO

==Bowsercide and Gannoncide don't always win==
It should be noted that with Bowsercides and Gannoncides, the order in which the characters die is random. So a Gannoncide is not always a sudden death, and a Bowsercide isn't always a win. --- [[Special:Contributions/71.80.239.27|71.80.239.27]] 04:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

ganoncide is random (although 90% of the time it is ganons kill), but i find that the opponent seems to get the win on larger stages such as temple or 75m or new pork city. bowsercide however, is ALWAYS either bowsers kill, or results in sudden death. it is NEVER the opponents kill. [[User:Kperfekt722|Kperfekt722]] ([[User talk:Kperfekt722|talk]]) 23:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

==Include Linkcide?==
Shouldn't Linkcide b there. he can use his Falke Boomberang to bring the opponent with him as he suicides. [[User:Zmario|Zmario]] ([[User talk:Zmario|talk]]) 21:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:What are you talking about?-[[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 22:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::This is maybe kind of a gray zone. What you can do is discuss whether this counts as a suicide or not on the smashboards and put a link to the discussion here. Then decide by what gets consensus. [[User:Keyy|Keyy]] ([[User talk:Keyy|talk]]) 22:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== sillycide ==

Do people really use these silly names? Do they even make sense? Personally I think the standard sacraficial KO or Kamikaze are much more accurate and concise.... [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 23:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

mm, i have heard kirbycide on several occassions, and even bowsercide and ganoncide once or twice. but "DeDeDecide"? c'mon... [[User:Kperfekt722|Kperfekt722]] ([[User talk:Kperfekt722|talk]]) 23:35, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

huh?
[[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">Para</font><font color="Blue">Goomba</font><font color="Red">348</font>]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Orange">C'mon, talk to me</font>]]) 23:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

lol! he's asking if people really use those names. so i said that i have heard kirbycide before, but the dededecide doesnt even sound good... [[User:Kperfekt722|Kperfekt722]] ([[User talk:Kperfekt722|talk]]) 23:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
:Personally I'd call it Regicide, but it's just stupid for the Copy Abilities. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 04:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

where did the word Regi come from?--[[User:Oxico|Oxico]] ([[User talk:Oxico|talk]]) 02:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Regi came from regal which is used to describe kings or queens. KING DeDeDe [[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 13:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, "Regi" usually means giant. An example of this is Regice, Regirock and Registeel. In these instances, "Regi" means Giant. It can't mean king for these three because of Regigigas. It has been stated that "Gigas" means King, because Regigigas literally means King of the Giants. Therefore, Regicide probably refers to DeDeDe's size. [[User:MarioGalaxy|MarioGalaxy]] ([[User talk:MarioGalaxy|talk]]) 22:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

:::oh, ok. that works too.[[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 23:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

They should really Dededecide on a more original name for each Sacrificial KO. [[User:Cafinator|Cafinator]] ([[User talk:Cafinator|talk]]) 23:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Well...rather than break the strain and probably cause edit wars over new names, why not just use the originals that were inspired by the original sacrificial ko, kirbycide.--[[User:Oxico|Oxico]] ([[User talk:Oxico|talk]]) 23:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

::::Factual correction: [[Wikipedia:Regicide|Regicide]] is the slaying of a monarch, it has nothing to do with size.[[User:Entrea Sumatae|<span style="color:#4682b4">'''–Entrea Sumatae'''</span>]] 02:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

::::: Sweet, i was kind of right[[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 22:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

:::::: Who the heck thought "giga" meant king? What about gigantic, or gigabyte? - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 19:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I hearby dub Zero Suit Samus's Sacrifical KO as "Zerocide".

:I wouldn't mind calling them Sacrificial KOs, but not Kamikaze.  Kamikaze actually means "God Wind", and has nothing to do with sacrificing yourself.  But I'm gonna stick with the current names because they're easier to remember.  [[Special:Contributions/8.36.254.67|8.36.254.67]] 15:19, 13 February 2016 (EST)
::Please pay attention when replying to discussions. This discussion is 8 years old, these users aren't even active anymore. [[File:TepigSprite.png]][[User:Tepig|Tepig]] ([[User talk:Tepig|talk]]) 15:25, 13 February 2016 (EST)

==Ikecide==

Instead of constantly removing it, why doesn't someone try to explain why Ikecide doesn't count as a Sacrificial KO?- [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 23:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Because it doesn't force your opponents down like "Bowsercide" or "Kirbycide". It hits them down with Ike's Aether. [[User:Cafinator|Cafinator]] ([[User talk:Cafinator|talk]]) 23:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow Cafinator, I think that's the first smart thing you've said in... well ever! Lol. [[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 23:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Um I think the guy means about the final smash aether - [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 00:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Now that's silly, and you hear that coming from '''me'''. [[User:Cafinator|Cafinator]] ([[User talk:Cafinator|talk]]) 00:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

==Who dies first?==
Someone should experiment with these kos and see who dies first. Like if you do a ganonscide, does ganondorf die first?[[User:Pikazilla|Pikazilla]] ([[User talk:Pikazilla|talk]]) 22:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The person who is attacked dies first, it was like that in Melee.

== "Kirkirkircide"? ==

Personally, <!-- I prefer the air -->I would've called it, "Kirbebebecide". [[User:Cafinator|Cafinator]] ([[User talk:Cafinator|talk]]) 23:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Haha...ha. I see that...well anyway I didn't choose the name. I was gonna put "kaykaykaycide", but you can see where that couldn't have gone wrong.-[[User:Oxico|Oxico]] ([[User talk:Oxico|talk]]) 23:37, 19 August 2008 (UTC) PS sign your commnets, Smokeringking.

:I know, I keep forgetting to.[[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 00:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I thought I did. [[User:Cafinator|Cafinator]] ([[User talk:Cafinator|talk]]) 23:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pikmincide? ==

I'm not sure if this counts as a sacrificial KO but I think it might be. Let's says olimar's opponent has high enough damage to get killed by olimar's side/down smash. And the opponent is of the stage at the right angle to hit them. Then olimar sends the pikmin out to kill the opponent but because he's over the edge, the pikmin dies too. Should this be added to the article? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Tuth|Tuth]] ([[User talk:Tuth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tuth|contribs]]) </small>
:OK, firstly, Pikmin are not considered actual characters so I don't think so. Also, please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> please. Thanks, [[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] ([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]]) 15:50, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
::Generally, a sacrificial KO involves both the attacker and the defender losing a stock. Since a single Pikmin dying is hardly worth a stock (although I'm sure some would disagree in certain situations), I wouldn't call it a sacKO. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 17:38, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

== Robotcide? ==

I remember I was playing All-Star mode on the 3DS version and I was Sacrificial KO'd by R.O.B. Basically what happened was he used his Up throw on me near an edge on [[Brinstar]], causing both me and him to plummet straight into the blast line, KOing both of us. Can anyone explain this at all? [[User:Bulbaboy|Bulbaboy]] ([[User talk:Bulbaboy|talk]]) 09:18, 19 November 2014 (EST)
:it looks like an SKO, it's impossible to escape from the throw. [[User:Mariofan13|Mariofan13]] ([[User talk:Mariofan13|talk]]) 12:39, 16 January 2015 (EST)

== Suicide by attacking an explosive item ==

Does it count as a sacrificial KO if you attack an explosive item like a [[Bob-omb]] or a [[Blast Box]] so that the detonation KO's your foe and yourself?[[Special:Contributions/91.186.158.23|91.186.158.23]] 14:05, 11 January 2015 (EST)

== Cloudcide Correction ==

Climhazzard has a chance of causing Sudden Death if the enemy is hit by the right spot of the blade and if Cloud is low enough when he uses the move.  It's hard to do without practice, and probably still hard with practice, but I have managed to do it.  Also, here's a Youtube video for proof {{YouTube|hcqGGIb3aYE|"Cloudcide Sudden Death"}} [[Special:Contributions/64.250.50.60|64.250.50.60]] 10:09, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:Saw the edit, but it's still a little inaccurate.  That's just where I happened to be when I got the video.  I've actually gotten Sudden Death when I used the move Climhazzard just a little bit lower than the ground.  Basically, as long as the enemy gets spiked into the Blast Zone before he or she can act, and Cloud hits the zone at the exact same time, Sudden Death will occur. [[Special:Contributions/64.250.50.60|64.250.50.60]] 13:27, 18 December 2015 (EST)
::Hm, okay. But hey, do feel free to edit pages yourself! The worst that can happen is someone undoing it, and we have enough people paying attention to catch mistakes. [[File:Zyrac sig.png]] <font face="Lucida Console">[[User:Zyrac|<font color="green">'''Zyrac'''</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Zyrac|<font color="green">talk</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Zyrac|<font color="green">contribs</font>]])</small></font> 13:35, 18 December 2015 (EST)

== Sonicide ==

Would his spin dash count? [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 20:38, 17 February 2016 (EST)
:Wait, how is Spin Dash a Soniccide? [[User:Penro|'''Penro''']] [[User talk:Penro|...that's all.]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px]] [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px]] 21:03, 17 February 2016 (EST)
Never mind, was thinking of Hammer Spin Dash, but it makes him fall faster and meteors people [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 21:12, 17 February 2016 (EST)
:I think that doesn't metoer people, only bury them. [[User:Penro|'''Penro''']] [[User talk:Penro|...that's all.]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px]] [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px]] 21:13, 17 February 2016 (EST)

== Undos ==

#Do we ''really'' need "as of version 1.0.4"? The intro now says that all suicide KOs were nerfed in Sm4sh except for Ganondorf's, its been 3 years since 1.0.4 was released, and I don't think anyone out there is looking for a list that specifically says "Diddy Kong's sac KO used to make him win but doesn't anymore".
#The Special Movie just plainly shows DK's suicide KO. Okay? How is that notable? Why don't we just put "Popo uses a parasol in the Special Movie" on the Parasol page or "A female Wire Frame trophy is in the Special Movie" on the Wire Frame page? -- <font face="Vivaldi"><font size="4">''Her Majesty, [[User:Queen Junko|Queen]] [[User_talk:Queen Junko|Junko]]'',</font></font> 23:40, 10 June 2017 (EDT)

== Kirby's Final Cutter ==

The downwards part of Final Cutter has a spike/meteor effect(I think Kirby falls slower), so I guess they also need to add that in addition to Kirby's millions of other methods.
Inhale is a better sacrificial, but you could follow up with final cutter if you can get it to hit or save it to recover. [[User:Jiashen C.|Jiashen C.]] ([[User talk:Jiashen C.|talk]]) 05:46, 7 February 2019 (EST)

== Yoshicide? ==

Yoshi’s Down B is a candidate for this, It kills him if used offstage, but kills the opponent if there’s enough knockback. Should we consider his Down B a sacrificial ko? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:112.210.232.252|112.210.232.252]] ([[User talk:112.210.232.252|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/112.210.232.252|contribs]]) 03:26, February 27, 2024 (EST)</small>
:No because that would be true for just about every [[stall-then-fall]] attack if the opponent has enough damage. Most of the moves on the list are meteors that are near guaranteed as long as the opponent is off-stage. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 07:08, February 27, 2024 (EST)
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 Yoshi’s Down B is a candidate for this, It kills him if used offstage, but kills the opponent if there’s enough knockback. Should we consider his Down B a sacrificial ko? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:112.210.232.252|112.210.232.252]] ([[User talk:112.210.232.252|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/112.210.232.252|contribs]]) 03:26, February 27, 2024 (EST)</small>
 :No because that would be true for just about every [[stall-then-fall]] attack if the opponent has enough damage. Most of the moves on the list are meteors that are near guaranteed as long as the opponent is off-stage. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 07:08, February 27, 2024 (EST)
-== Wolfcide? ==
-So Wolf’s Side B spikes opponents on the sweetspot but he puts him in a freefall. Lots of Sacrifical kos have that, so why isn’t Wolf’s side B considered? [[Special:Contributions/112.210.226.49|112.210.226.49]] 20:57, April 26, 2024 (EDT)
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