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:: I change to '''''Oppose''''' per DF. [[Special:Contributions/98.157.202.185|98.157.202.185]] 15:13, 1 January 2016 (EST)
:: I change to '''''Oppose''''' per DF. [[Special:Contributions/98.157.202.185|98.157.202.185]] 15:13, 1 January 2016 (EST)


== Discussion about the article's tone, name, and scope ==
== Eh? ==


Why is this article written in a way that hypes up MK's ladder combos in Brawl while downplaying them in Smash 4, when it was nearly MK's entire meta in 4 and we all know how minor non-chain grab combos were in Brawl, it looks like the writer saw "oh his Smash 4 uair is nerfed so his combos must be worse" without actually knowing anything about the context of the games. Watch some MK sets between the two games, and you'll rarely see MK actually pull off a successful ladder death combo in Brawl (I don't even think I got "rufio'd" before in my entire Brawl career), while you'll probably see it nearly every set in 4. I'll probably rewrite this myself at some point, but if someone else is up for it, I'll let them handle it.
Why is this article written in a way that hypes up MK's ladder combos in Brawl while downplaying them in Smash 4, when it was nearly MK's entire meta in 4 and we all know how minor non-chain grab combos were in Brawl, it looks like the writer saw "oh his Smash 4 uair is nerfed so his combos must be worse" without actually knowing anything about the context of the games. Watch some MK sets between the two games, and you'll rarely see MK actually pull off a successful ladder death combo in Brawl (I don't even think I got "rufio'd" before in my entire Brawl career), while you'll probably see it nearly every set in 4. I'll probably rewrite this myself at some point, but if someone else is up for it, I'll let them handle it.
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Also I'm not keen on calling this the "rufio", it's a term I seen before but it's not really all that common in the modern era, I see people just call MK's combos "ladders" and "bridges" a lot more often. In fact instead of making an article just for MK's ladders, maybe make an article that encompasses ladder combos in general, like Falco in Melee, Zamus in Smash 4, and Mario in both Smash 4 and Ultimate are pretty infamous for ladder combos too. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:27, February 24, 2021 (EST)
Also I'm not keen on calling this the "rufio", it's a term I seen before but it's not really all that common in the modern era, I see people just call MK's combos "ladders" and "bridges" a lot more often. In fact instead of making an article just for MK's ladders, maybe make an article that encompasses ladder combos in general, like Falco in Melee, Zamus in Smash 4, and Mario in both Smash 4 and Ultimate are pretty infamous for ladder combos too. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:27, February 24, 2021 (EST)
:I can't even say I've heard "bridge" before, only ladder. But it is weird that this would be downplayed for Smash 4, a game it's arguably more famous in. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Lovely Rurouni'''</span>]] 19:35, February 24, 2021 (EST)
:I can't even say I've heard "bridge" before, only ladder. But it is weird that this would be downplayed for Smash 4, a game it's arguably more famous in. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Lovely Rurouni'''</span>]] 19:35, February 24, 2021 (EST)
::"Bridge" is a more recent term for the variant that KOs horizontally, but anyway I searched each term in the MK Discord, and "Rufio" only had 16 results (and "Roofio" got only 2), whereas "Ladder" gets 9560 results, "Ladder combo" gets 753, "Bridge" gets 2767, and "Bridge combo" gets 215. In any case, "Rufio" is definitely not the most prominent term here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:20, February 24, 2021 (EST)
::"Bridge" is a more recent term for the variant that KOs horizontally, but anyway I typed each term in the MK Discord, and "Rufio" only had 16 results (and "Roofio" got only 2), whereas "Ladder" gets 9560 results, "Ladder combo" gets 753, "Bridge" gets 2767, and "Bridge combo" gets 215. In any case, "Rufio" is definitely not the most prominent term here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:20, February 24, 2021 (EST)
 
On moving the page, there is also another page dedicated to another specific ladder combo, Captain Falcon's [[Stairway to Heaven]]. While I support having a page for the general concept of ladder combos, it's not necessarily a bad idea to keep this page as is. --[[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 07:02, February 25, 2021 (EST)
:I think that one too should be merged into a general ladder combo page, there's nothing really separating it from the rest other than a fancy name. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:48, February 25, 2021 (EST)
 
Bump. Also in case anyone thinks those search results for "ladder" and "bridge" in the MK discord were mostly false positives from being generic words, here are the results for them in some other random discords I checked for popular characters not known for ladder and bridge combos:
 
*Bowser: 462 for "ladder", 83 for "bridge"
*Joker: 434 for "ladder", 293 for "bridge"
*Link: 344 for "ladder", 297 for "bridge"
*Palutena: 823 for "ladder", 295 for "bridge"
*Snake: 325 for "ladder", 111 for "bridge"
*Marcina: 999 for "ladder", 488 for "bridge"
*Pikachu: 393 for "ladder", 2344 for "bridge" (as a character known for bridge combos but not ladders)
*Zero Suit Samus: 3851 for "ladder", 198 for "bridge" (as a character known for ladder combos but not bridges)
 
For these results, I think it's clear that it isn't a ton of false positives in the MK discord for those terms, and thus it's clear they are the dominant terms over "Rufio". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:09, February 25, 2021 (EST)
 
Yet another bump. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:05, March 30, 2021 (EDT)
 
Yeah, I'm late to the party, but since this still isn't resolved Imma throw my support in moving and revamping this page. I never heard the term "rufio" before, the article straight up mentions even the orgin  is unknown, but I hear "ladder combo" often. Most people will be able to figure out what "ladder combo" means while most who hear rufio will go what the heck.
 
Also would be really helpful to have a page covering ladder combos in general, to make it easier to find and read up on ladder combos for characters besides MK. [[File:Ness EB Sprite.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Omega Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="gold">the EarthBoundian.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="red">(Fuzzy pickles!)</font>]]''' 20:47, June 26, 2022 (EDT)
 
Bumping this with a '''support'''. I agree with the idea of making a generic ladder combo page, and think much of these famous combos could be merged into it. This page as it stands basically repeats the same summary of information over and over again, it's kind of weird. --[[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]] 19:13, July 26, 2023 (EDT)

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