Editing Talk:Robin (SSB4)

As both male & female variants of Robin will be playable, it seems appropriate to use the pronouns they/them/their, etc. instead of he/him/his. [[User:Hausheck|Hausheck]] ([[User talk:Hausheck|talk]]) 17:18, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
:The current policy is we use the pronouns of the more prominently displayed variation in situations like this. Villager's official art is male, so we male pronouns, while we use female ones for Wii Fit Trainer for the same reason. While the official artwork here shows both versions, the reveal trailer and poster both emphasize the male version, with the trailer making it clear that female Robin is the alternate version. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:20, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
Miles does have a point. Both Villager and Wii Fit Trainer use the male and female pronouns (respectively), and since Male Robin is more focused on in the trailer, it seems reasonable to just have male pronouns.

That, and Miis don't have one gender favored over the other, so that's why they use they/them/their pronouns. [[User:Aidanzapunk|Aidanzapunk]] ([[User talk:Aidanzapunk|talk]]) 17:23, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

== Special Moveset ==

This Famitsu Scan seems to show off their special moves with lighting spells being neutral, the fire one on the side, wind upward and Nosfuratu downward. http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/794726-super-smash-brothers

[[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 16:01, 16 July 2014 (EDT)

The name should be Thunder Magic, not Thunder. Just saying. [[User:The Smash Brotha|The Smash Brotha]] ([[User talk:The Smash Brotha|talk]]) 12:28, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
:The scan just says Thunder. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 12:57, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
::Was the scan from Japanese to English? If it was, then the names would be different. Like Bowser is Koopa, Mega Man is Rock Man, and Charizard is Lizardon. And for moves, Gravitational Pull is Item Capture. They were all translated from Japanese so the English name may be different. [[User:The Smash Brotha|The Smash Brotha]] ([[User talk:The Smash Brotha|talk]]) 13:09, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
:::The Japanese name of the move is literally the English "Thunder". Although regardless, the reason we can assume the english name as thunder is because of the comparison to the FE games. In FE, Nosferatu is called Resire in japan, so from seing that Resire is the name of the move here, we can assume the english name is Nosferatu. It's the same thing for this move. It uses the same japanese name as Thunder. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 14:12, 5 August 2014 (EDT)

== Levin Sword can be used by other characters ==

[http://smashboards.com/threads/sorry-for-crashing-smashboards-im-zipzo-today-i-played-the-release-build-of-smash-4-ama.366574/page-14#post-17489436source here]

Apparently during the demo build that was made playable recently someone experienced a little something odd. while playing as robin they ran out of attacks and robin dropped the Levin Sword to pull out the Bronze One. Only a CPU enemy was able to grab it before it fell to the ground, they were able to use it like a standard attack weapon and knock Robin out of the ring.<br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 03:34, 8 September 2014 (EDT)
:We're not taking eye-witness reports from Zipzo among others, since there is a (albeit very small) chance that what he's saying is all made up. (I don't even think we're trusting the Alph/Deity Link/Dixie Diddy/Wolf Fox colors pic yet) The game comes out in like 4 days so I wouldn't worry about not mentioning it now, since we'll have video proof in a short few days, but thanks for bringing it up. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 03:46, 8 September 2014 (EDT)
::I honestly don't see why people would lie about this since there is a playable demo of the game of it out in japan now. Since the demo is out, if a person lies about something, multiple people would be able to verify it is a lie. Many people are confirming these things from having seen or played the demo. But w/e.<br>[[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] ([[User talk:Ixbran|talk]]) 04:43, 8 September 2014 (EDT)
:::Things like the Galacta Knight costume have been made up, so it's not unheard of. - [[User:Ninelevendo|Ninelevendo]] ([[User talk:Ninelevendo|talk]]) 05:27, 8 September 2014 (EDT)

== Robin's combo finisher & other observations ==

I'm not sure I want to try editing the wiki directly during the "new game rush" (so to speak), so I'll just bring this up here and let others experiment/verify.

I'm playing in Japanese on the 3DS, and several of these lines aren't consistent with my testing.

* ''The type of tome Robin has equipped changes the effects of some of his standard attacks, such as the neutral combo, which can finish with a fiery blast, or repeated Elwind slashes.''

I'm not sure this is actually what's happening.  When I perform a combo with Robin, the neutral combo finisher appears to be based on his/her proximity to opponents, and '''Robin changes his tome based on the finisher he uses''' (not the other way around).  It seems that if the first two slashes of the combo hit, it's always wind slashes (tome changes to Elwind).  Otherwise, it's a fire blast (and tome becomes Arcfire).  They do, however, require the tome to be available.  If I use up Elwind, then I can do fire blast in close proximity to enemies.  If I use up both Arcfire and Elwind, I have no combo finisher.  

* ''Robin's tome changes with each special attack, and Robin will keep that tome equipped unless he uses a different special move.''

In addition to the above about combo finishers, the tome also changes to announce when a used-up tome has returned (this is accompanied by a visual effect and animation).  Likewise for the Levin sword.

* ''Both of these moves appear to have electric properties, even when Robin does not have the Thunder tome equipped.'' (the two moves mentioned appear to be his Down Smash (the forward is a stab) and Aerial Up)

I think the electric properties are present on all attacks that use the Levin sword.  This would be smash attacks (which change it to the Levin sword) and aerial attacks (which use the current sword).  If you perform aerial attacks with the normal sword (or if you break the Levin sword and try smashes), they are not electric.
[[Special:Contributions/67.248.159.85|67.248.159.85]] 12:34, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

== Trivia to add. ==

Robin uses Nosferatu in Smash, while in ''Fire Emblem: Awakening'', neither the Tactician or Grandmaster classes (the only classes the Avatar can use) can use dark tomes like Nosferatu.

[[User:DannyMaku|DannyMaku]] ([[User talk:DannyMaku|talk]]) 20:28, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
:I'm 99% sure that's already on the [[Nosferatu]] page. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|{{Color|Navy|Air}}]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|{{Color|#007BA7|Conditioner}}]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] I FEEL FANTASTIC 20:31, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
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 As both male & female variants of Robin will be playable, it seems appropriate to use the pronouns they/them/their, etc. instead of he/him/his. [[User:Hausheck|Hausheck]] ([[User talk:Hausheck|talk]]) 17:18, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
-:The current policy is we use the pronouns of the more prominently displayed variation in situations like this. Villager's official art is male, so we use male pronouns, while we use female ones for Wii Fit Trainer for the same reason. While the official artwork here shows both versions, the reveal trailer and poster both emphasize the male version, with the trailer making it clear that female Robin is the alternate version. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:20, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
+:The current policy is we use the pronouns of the more prominently displayed variation in situations like this. Villager's official art is male, so we male pronouns, while we use female ones for Wii Fit Trainer for the same reason. While the official artwork here shows both versions, the reveal trailer and poster both emphasize the male version, with the trailer making it clear that female Robin is the alternate version. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:20, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
 Miles does have a point. Both Villager and Wii Fit Trainer use the male and female pronouns (respectively), and since Male Robin is more focused on in the trailer, it seems reasonable to just have male pronouns.
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 :The scan just says Thunder. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 12:57, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
 ::Was the scan from Japanese to English? If it was, then the names would be different. Like Bowser is Koopa, Mega Man is Rock Man, and Charizard is Lizardon. And for moves, Gravitational Pull is Item Capture. They were all translated from Japanese so the English name may be different. [[User:The Smash Brotha|The Smash Brotha]] ([[User talk:The Smash Brotha|talk]]) 13:09, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
-:::The Japanese name of the move is literally the English "Thunder". Although regardless, the reason we can assume the english name as thunder is because of the comparison to the FE games. In FE, Nosferatu is called Resire in Japan, so from seing that Resire is the name of the move here, we can assume the English name is Nosferatu. It's the same thing for this move. It uses the same japanese name as Thunder. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 14:12, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
+:::The Japanese name of the move is literally the English "Thunder". Although regardless, the reason we can assume the english name as thunder is because of the comparison to the FE games. In FE, Nosferatu is called Resire in japan, so from seing that Resire is the name of the move here, we can assume the english name is Nosferatu. It's the same thing for this move. It uses the same japanese name as Thunder. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 14:12, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
 == Levin Sword can be used by other characters ==
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 [[User:DannyMaku|DannyMaku]] ([[User talk:DannyMaku|talk]]) 20:28, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
 :I'm 99% sure that's already on the [[Nosferatu]] page. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|{{Color|Navy|Air}}]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|{{Color|#007BA7|Conditioner}}]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] I FEEL FANTASTIC 20:31, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
-== Robin's Arcfire ==
-The last Arcfire custom move should be Arcfire+. I just unlocked it. [[User:Kah0922|Kah0922]] ([[User talk:Kah0922|talk]]) 13:11, 4 October 2014 (EDT)
-:Evidence? I believe you, but we need evidence (a photo at minimum) in order to add it. [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 13:14, 4 October 2014 (EDT)
-== Durability Notes ==
-Just made an account to add some measurements I made, so this is probably formatted wrong, sorry. I found it useful that you have the number of uses before breakage listed here, but not how long it takes to regain the items, or if uses recover over time without breakage. The answer to those questions are, respectively: Thunder 10 seconds, Arcfire 10 seconds, Elwind 6 seconds, Levin Sword 6 seconds, Nosferatu 40 seconds, and no, uses don't recharge unless the item breaks so you are better off finishing it off. Times don't appear to change for custom variants, though in the case of Thunder+, the durability stats change to: Max Durability = 10, Thunder use = 1, Elthunder use = 2.5, Arcthunder use = 4, Thoron use = 10.
-[[User:Kalkin|Kalkin]] ([[User talk:Kalkin|talk]]) 15:28, 5 October 2014 (EDT)
-:I just added this information to the article. Thank you very much.
-:Just one question: I haven't toyed around with custom moves yet, is Thunder+ the only one that influences uses?
-:--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  15:39, 5 October 2014 (EDT)
-::Tested the custom moves out. None of the other custom specials change the number of uses Robin has with that particular special. [[User:Fairyrunner|Fairyrunner]] ([[User talk:Fairyrunner|talk]]) 10:03, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
-== Throwable Tomes ==
-I laughed when I found this out in customization, but is it important to note that the discarded tomes and Levin Sword can be caught as a throwable item? If so, what page should that info be in? [[User:Fairyrunner|Fairyrunner]] ([[User talk:Fairyrunner|talk]]) 10:03, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
-== Concentrated Thunder? ==
-When I unlocked that custom move, it was Thunder+. Here's the image - [http://imgur.com/cqochNy] [[User:Kah0922|Kah0922]] ([[User talk:Kah0922|talk]]) 16:21, 7 October 2014 (EDT)
-== IMPACTED??? ==
-For the sake of keeping this page grammatically correct, the section of the durability page where it mentions Kirby, you use the word impacted, where in fact, that is not a word, but had an impact is. Impact is a noun, not a verb. Had to keep it correct. [[Special:Contributions/72.104.148.207|72.104.148.207]] 09:41, 25 November 2014 (EST)
-:"impacted" is indeed a word, but in this case "affected" would be better, and I'll make that change. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Different 10:05, 25 November 2014 (EST)
-::Impacted is a word, but it's an adjective, not a past tense verb, IIRC. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 10:08, 25 November 2014 (EST)
-== Robin defeating Lucina ==
-I found this on Smashpedia:
-*''When Male Robin defeats [[Lucina]], he says "Lucina, I hope I didn't hurt you." When Female Robin defeats Lucina, she says "How can you protect your father, if you can't protect yourself?''
-Should we include this? --[[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] ([[User talk:Mr. Guye|talk]]) 18:26, 4 January 2015 (EST)
-== KO Recharge? ==
-The in-game tips claim that scoring KOs while a used-up weapon is recharging makes it recharge faster. Is this actually the case, and if so, how great is the effect? --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 15:34, 10 March 2015 (EDT)
-== Trophy information ==
-I see that the Robin Classic trophies have different descriptions depending on the game. However, the trophy list of the Fire Emblem universe lacks the Wii U trophy description. --[[User:Raccoonman_900|Raccoonman_900]] ([[User talk:Raccoonman_900|talk]]) 14:17, 18 May 2015 (PST)
-== Trivia Worthy? ==
-Do you think it's trivia worthy to say Robin never uses his body to attack or is that false? [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">Mario</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="green">is</font>]]<span style="font-family":KristenITC font size:10pt>[[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="indigo">awesome</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="iceblue">118</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 19:03, 31 May 2015 (EDT)
-:Not worthy, no. Also, your sig is too long, code-wise. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 23:06, 31 May 2015 (EDT)
-::OK, that means he does actually use his body to attack in one move, and sig is fine. [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">Mario</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="green">is</font>]]<span style="font-family":KristenITC font size:10pt>[[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="indigo">awesome</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="iceblue">118</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 16:44, 1 June 2015 (EDT)
-:::The sig looks fine, but it takes up about 3.5 lines when editing. But I digress, and I think the point is more that it's not notable. It's not like Marth has any physical attacks, either. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 16:47, 1 June 2015 (EDT)
-::::Well, his grab and throws. [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">Mario</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="green">is</font>]]<span style="font-family":KristenITC font size:10pt>[[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="indigo">awesome</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="iceblue">118</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 16:48, 1 June 2015 (EDT)
-:::::I forgot about that, but the point is that a few other characters rely on physical attacks very little. Robin just takes it a bit further. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 16:55, 1 June 2015 (EDT)
-::::::OK, so Robin technically has a hitbox for his hand in Nosferatu if I'm not mistaking. [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">Mario</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="green">is</font>]]<span style="font-family":KristenITC font size:10pt>[[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="indigo">awesome</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="iceblue">118</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 17:01, 1 June 2015 (EDT)
-<small>(reset indent)</small>Well, I guess that settles it. It would still be nice if you could shorten your signature a bit, just for others on the talk page with you. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 17:03, 1 June 2015 (EDT)
-::So it settles the fact Robin does have one move where he uses his body. I still don't see anything wrong with my sig. [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">Mario</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="green">is</font>]]<span style="font-family":KristenITC font size:10pt>[[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="indigo">awesome</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="iceblue">118</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 17:19, 1 June 2015 (EDT)
-:::Here's what your signature looks like while I'm replying:
-:::<nowiki>[[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">Mario</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="green">is</font>]]<span style="font-family":KristenITC font size:10pt>[[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="indigo">awesome</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="iceblue">118</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 17:19, 1 June 2015 (EDT) </nowiki>
-:::Is that not a bit of an issue? [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 17:23, 1 June 2015 (EDT)
-::::We're digressing, my signature is fine (I don't care about the coding, so let's end this out of place, off topic discussion now. [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">Mario</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="green">is</font>]]<span style="font-family":KristenITC font size:10pt>[[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="indigo">awesome</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="iceblue">118</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 17:38, 1 June 2015 (EDT)
-== Crowd Cheer ==
-Do we really need it? I do so ask. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 04:05, 27 September 2015 (EDT)
-:Some people can't bother typing up a link. Plus, SmashWiki is ''about'' info. [[file:INoMed-sig.png]] <font face="Times New Roman"> [[User:INoMed|<span style="color:red; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''INoMed'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px">'''''(Talk)'''''</span>]]</small></font> 04:23, 27 September 2015 (EDT)
-::I'm arguing that it just isn't necessary here, but ya know if you're going to do that here ya better do it for ''ALL'' the characters yo. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 04:26, 27 September 2015 (EDT)
-:::Consistency. Like I don't see crowd cheers for any character pages I've seen. I'd say it's a pertinence issue, as to why it's not really on those pages. If it ain't consistent all across, omit it or go all the way [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 04:28, 27 September 2015 (EDT)
-::::Fine. I'll reremove the crowd cheer. [[file:INoMed-sig.png]] <font face="Times New Roman"> [[User:INoMed|<span style="color:red; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''INoMed'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:INoMed|<span style="color:red;text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px">'''''(Talk)'''''</span>]]</small></font> 04:31, 27 September 2015 (EDT)
-== Japanese names for Robin/Reflet's customs ==
-http://fireemblemwiki.org/wiki/Avatar_(Awakening) (See the Smash Bros. section)
-:Welp, I need to also see if they match up with the JPN wiki sources as well. --[[User:SneaselSawashiro|SneaselSawashiro]] ([[User talk:SneaselSawashiro|talk]]) 23:39, 23 August 2016 (EDT)
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