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| ::Worth noting: some of those (Pyukumuku and Mimikyu) are actually abilities, not moves. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:58, September 5, 2021 (EDT) | | ::Worth noting: some of those (Pyukumuku and Mimikyu) are actually abilities, not moves. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:58, September 5, 2021 (EDT) |
| :::Neither is Munchlax's Pickup. Can rename "move" to "action" on the tables if necessary. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 15:24, September 5, 2021 (EDT) | | :::Neither is Munchlax's Pickup. Can rename "move" to "action" on the tables if necessary. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 15:24, September 5, 2021 (EDT) |
| ::::Given that Mimikyu deals damage, it obviously isn't just using its ability, which is defensive, and must be attacking. Innards out at least deals damage, and while it works differently to in the games, it at least retains a counter-like usage, so could conceivably be what Pyukumuku is using. I would not recommend listing disguise as its move, as this implies it is how it attacks. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 20:47, September 5, 2021 (EDT)
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| :::::To play Devil's Advocate, ''Smash'' takes very liberal interpretations of ''Pokémon'' canon. False Swipe cannot KO, but [[Weavile]] can KO with it in ''Brawl''. Fly is an attacking move, and yet [[Mew]] will never deal damage with it in ''Smash''. Reflect should only increase physical defense, but [[Gardevoir]] uses it to reflect projectiles (even ones that would be "special moves" instead of physical). The list goes on. So Mimikyu dealing damage with a defensive ability is hardly breaking news. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 22:47, September 5, 2021 (EDT)
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| <small>(Reset indent) </small>That may be true, but consider how Disguise works as an ability: it lets Mimikyu take one hit with no damage, before the fake Pikachu cover slumps over. That has no connection whatsoever to Mimikyu's attack in Smash, which is very clearly based on Let's Snuggle Forever. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 01:28, September 6, 2021 (EDT)
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| (@PeabodySam) Those examples aren't the best in terms of redeeming Mimikyu, all of them are still attacks in the home series while Disguise is an ability. False swipe is still a damaging swipe attack like it is in Smash, only with the effect of not KOing the opponent. Fly may be based more on its out-of-battle effect of flying to another location. Reflect is still defensive, even if it works differently. Disguise has zero connection to the attack Mimikyu is using: it's defensive, it's an ability, nor does it at the very least resemble the attack its using in Smash, which clearly has a much stronger resemblence Let's Snuggle Forever. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omega Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 04:30, September 6, 2021 (EDT)
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| :I don't disagree that it's much more obviously Let's Snuggle Forever than Disguise; this is just me playing Devil's Advocate for the sake of argument and making sure everything is carefully considered. And there are instances where a Pokémon is clearly using one move but it's identified as something different in ''Smash''. Sure, one can make the argument that [[Bellossom]] putting opponents to sleep makes them "easier to hit" like Sweet Scent, but it's so much more obvious to say it's clearly Sleep Powder... and yet, because the official sources state it's Sweet Scent, that's what SmashWiki goes with. While it's true that False Swipe is still an attack and Reflect is still defensive, [[Gulpin]] uses Swallow as an attack in ''Smash'', which runs totally counter to its function as a passive non-damaging healing move in ''Pokémon''. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 10:04, September 6, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::I also find it bizarre that Mimikyu isn't using Let's Snuggle Forever despite its usage of Disguise in ''Smash'' being so similar to it. If I had to speculate, the developers did this because they wanted to evoke the horror of Mimikyu's true form and didn't think the cartoonish effects and Fairy typing of Let's Snuggle Forever were appropriate and/or didn't want a Pokémon to use a Z-Move without a Z-Crystal, Z-Ring, and trainer ([[Max Malicious Moonsault|or just a Smash Ball]]), and chose to weaponize its ability because no moves in its repertoire were visually similar to Let's Snuggle Forever. [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 14:57, September 6, 2021 (EDT)
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| :::Mimikyu's attack in ''Smash'' is a lot more "ghostly" than Let's Snuggle Together or Play Rough in ''Pokémon''. A lot of its Dex entries talk about people being harmed (either directly or indirectly) by merely looking under the cloth, I don't think it necessarily needs to use a move for that (to me its the same as not needing to know Bite/Swallow or Fly to eat or fly). I do agree that it probably isn't attacking with Disguise, but I don't think it needs to use a move to attack. I did skim through the rest of the guidebook and there aren't any other sections that would go more in depth to possibly eke out a better answer. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 17:29, September 6, 2021 (EDT)
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| == Clefairy and Togepi ==
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| Does anyone know the source for the moves Metronome can use? Everywhere I go I only see them listed as what they do, that is "places flower on their head", "buries them", "creates small explosions", etc. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 05:26, July 17, 2022 (EDT)
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